My Long List of Amplifiers and My Personal Review of Each!
@ ron17 Have you used Lyngdorf room correction ? It is Totally different and.. the Absolute best out there . It will work. I am talking about Lyngdorf Room correction . Which Room correction are you talking about ? I have used: Audyssey ARC (Anthem Room Correction). Yamaha's YPAO McaCC (Pioneer) RoomPerfect (Lyngdorf) Lyngdorf is Head and Shoulders above all of the others. The others are not in the same league. It really is unreal how good it is. Just ask Grannyring (Bill Dion) He has extensive experience in Hi-Fi Audio You really cannot understand, until you try it ... Room Perfect It is one of those things that has to be tried to experience kit. Its like trying to explain what it is like to actually go to or see Top Fuel (Funny Car or Dragsters) You can try to explain it to someone , but unless they experience it for themselves , they really do NOT know. |
I really do not think any of you guys have experienced or used "RoomPerfect". It is the LAST WORD in room correction . Have you every heard of an Audiophile type of person preferring any Room Correction ? RoomPerfect is the ONLY Room correction that Audiophiles approve of . It is the Ultimate in sound ! it is because it is the ONLY one that gets the BASS right and the "Time Domian" I never liked my sub with music ....Ever ..until "RoomPerfect" It Must be heard to be believed !!!! |
07-22-2018 6:24pmWCSS, Here is a standalone Room Perfect for sale, FYI; https://www.ebay.com/itm/232858283808?ul_noapp=tru Buy this and your room problems are Solved |
Musicality is better than extreme or hyper detail . Who wants to have something you can't turn up past 75 db without ripping your F'N ears off. Give me musicality all day !! Highly detailed amps or system is ok... if you never turn it up , but what fun is that .I want something i can listen to all night and day . Is the hyper detailed system supposed to impress.If so ,who ..... yourself and or your friends . It might be impressive for the first 10 minutes,but If you cannot listen for more than 30 minutes before you can't take it anymore , that's NO GOOD ! You guys that want detail over everything else are missing out .... on Musicality. Just because a piece of equipment isn't hyper detailed does NOT make it MID FI. You must realize a LOT of people like Musicality over detail. I welcome anyone to come and hear my Very Musical system and see what they think. |
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WC being able to play at 85 db and enjoying it, has to do with the BIG MACS. The Mc601. Mcintosh is one of the few that i can actually turn up to 80 db or so and still actually talk to someone sitting next to you. Its because the music takes on an Organic Full Relaxed sound . In other words it isn't screaming or yelling at you .I is not forward or in your face .It is kind of laid back sound ..It gives more room to turn it up without ripping yours ears off. That describes McIntosh ... to me anyway. I guess you either love it or hate it . |
@whitecamaross Hi guys: just came home with a pair of amps I did not expect to bring back but I needed to try more horsepower on the magicos. Guess what ? I was damn right!I notice that you are not really saying much about those MID-FI McIntosh MC601s Could it be that they really are better than you expected .Could it be that they are Damn Musical and you hate to admit it ?.........just my opinion, of course. But, I find it kind of odd that you have not really said another word about them, BUT. They are still there ! |
Anybody that would spend 40k on amps or speakers has way more money than they have sense anyway . Mc601s are probably as much as any sane person would spend on audio anyway. I mean really think about it, would 40k amps really be worth 26k more than 14Kamps . What is your money REALLY getting you in improvement.... 20% ...at most . You really should Demo some gear that the average guy can afford. |
Any speaker would work in his room just fine , if he would invest in the BEST Room correction in the Business....LYNGDORF. WC, please try the Lyngdorf. You have tried so much other stuff . It is a real shame that you will not invest in something that really works. This would be a Game Changer . I promise that you would RAVE about it and never be wanting for more ! It is what you need !!!!. Hell, Borrow an MX160 from your Dealer. You will then understand what Lyngdorf can do for you!! . Please Please do it |
@whitecamaross I’ve already owned the mx160 twice when I was into home theater lol... I am sorry , but i just do Not believe that ...No F-N- Way.. You never once mentioned that before all this time when I have been asking you to try it, and ..You are just now saying that you had it before. BULLSHIT..I lost what little respect i had for you !! It is Blatantly obvious that you have never had Lyngdorf .....l and I know now., because the below part of statement is SO wrong as to what Lyngdorf does . I feel it kills the Purity: |
Did you not use the RoomPerfect (Lyngdorf) when you had the MX151 ? I ask because you never ever said anything about using it or having tried it , when i was suggesting that you try Lyngdorf -RoomPerfect. They are the same thing you know .. right ? Maybe that's why you did not mention it , because you did not know they are one in the same ... ?? McIntosh calls their's Roomperfect. It is the Lyngdorf Room correction software in the Macs . It is licensed to them and called RoomPerfect |
@WHITECAMAROSS I am sorry to sound so upset,and i apologize to you personally for the attack... but man , I have been asking you to try it over and over and you said that your Dealer said that you wouldn’t like it , but You never once said you had it . You said that you were thinking about getting it in a response way back. Not once did you ever mention that you had tried it .. Also i know what it does for sound .If you set it up and used Lyngdorf you would have said what you didn’t like about it , BUT, I honestly have never heard anyone say they did not like it . That is why i have a really hard time with your statement. Please accept my apology. I really should have sat back and waited to respond |
@whitecamaross This link for Lyngdorf review below is why I was wondering if you ever actually used it or set it up, when you had the MX150. You would have /should have, noticed an improvement ., especially in the integration of a Sub into the system. Since you never made the first comment about what you thought of , or how well it (RoomPerfect) worked or did not work in your setup with the MX150, I assumed you never used it . Did you ever set up or use Lyngdorf (RoomPerfect) when you had the MX150 ? Review Link Below: http://lyngdorf.com/news-mp-50-reviewed-by-widescreen-review/ This would be the most similar product to Roomperfect in the MX150 The manuals are almost identical when it gets down to the Roomperfect section in the MX150 user manual. |
@whitecamaross I think you should try these .especially for their cost https://www.tektondesign.com/encore.html They come with a 60 day Free trial. Add in Men-220 or Roomperfect and you are set. |
@whitecamaross Then you know what the(Roomperfect) can do for your room. I am using the MX-150 (Roomperfect) with the Big Tekton Double Impacts in approx a !2X12 room and open on one side . It does wonders for the sound in my room. Honestly, i could not even use these speakers in this room without RoomPerfect. They sound bloated without it . I bet if you had gotten it (RoomPerfect) for the Vivid speakers you would have stopped there and been happy. Good luck with your next endeavor |
Can someone explain to me why you think a 20A outlet will sound better than a 15A. There is no logic behind that statement . If you were using a 15a outlet and not tripping the breaker, why the need for 20A outlets ? What is different about them that will make them sound better than a 15. I realize that they can handle 5 more amps of current , but if you are not using more than 15 amps,then tell me what makes them sound better. |
whitecamaross- OP 912 posts 08-26-2018 11:46am A friend of mine wants to bring his bhk300 Monos and do a shootout against my 2301s. Lol oh damn. What if the 2301s got smoked by ps audio ? You just never know .. they might get smoked ! |
@whitecamaross In regards to the magico: this is WHY I chose to keep them. They easily let you hear what happened to the sound when you switch out components.Well, So does the Tekton Design Double Impact speakers.... They easily show you equipment changes, front end , and cables ...they are that good You would be shocked at their performance , but of course you will never know . because of their price tag (3K), you think that they can't possibly perform any where near those 30k speakers . Well , read the reviews .You would be sadly mistaken to shun them. but I know that you and many others as well . ,do shun them, I notice in your comments about gear , that you tend to think that if they cost more ... they will be better . The Double Impact, Encore , and Ulfberht all are amazing speakers that can probably beat what you have . Also , most of them are power friendly and can be magical with many low powered Tube Amps. Please at least read the Reviews. If you do , you should at least be interested. I wish you would try the Tektons. I mean it would be a drop in the bucket compared to what you have been throwing around AND you get a Free 60 day trial. You don't like them, ... send them back. It isn't all about how much you can spend or how good of a deal you can score on High Dollar Equipment, or at least it shouldn't be , but at least it seems that way to me . I just get the feeling that everything you are considering is all based on how much it originally costs. In other words if it was 55K Msrp then it should be better than a 35k MSRP item. It just gets silly when you get up to those kinds of prices. I mean obviously i ought to and should be . I just think that the Double Impact or DI SE The Encore or the Ulfberht would blow you away because of the Cost to Performance ratio as compared to the Magico. Just my opinion of course and not meant to offend. |
@viber6 Read the Reviews on them.They are plentiful. Many very respected reviewers also think so. https://www.google.com/search?q=tekton+double+impact+reviews&oq=tekton+double+impact+reviews&... It isn’t just one or two people that think so. Read the Tekton Double Impact thread. I believe the Double Impacts to be some of the very best conduits for your gear and equipment, that i have heard, I think there are several others on this thread who would agree. I did not say that they are The Best.I said that for the Money that the cost, i think they are the best Value ...The best performance for your dollar spent. I can hear a difference of when i change . .. for example the rectifier tubes in myMcIntosh MC30s or when i change the ouput Tubes (6L6GC) from Svetlana to the GE 6L6GC from the 1960s . I can hear a Major difference when i change the Telefunken 12AX7 in V1 to the Mullard 12AX7. I can hear spekaer cable and Interconnect cable changes , Very easily, AND I think most everyone on this thread could hear it if they were here listening Most of these are minor sound changes , but I can hear them with the DI speakers and my Mid-Fi McIntosh Mx151 and MC30 tube Amps. |
@viber6 I am not one to promote something just because own it The Double Impact speakers are very revealing ,especially of component changes. The speakers are highly detailed with good to great Bass depending on your amp, pre and cabling.The have outstanding separation of instruments and . They can sound forward if your setup sound forward .They can sound laid back , if your setup is laid back. I am using Purist Audio Dominus Fluid Interconnects and Dominus fluid power cords with my McIntosh gear. With that being said the Tektons in my room with Lyngdorf Room correction sound very well balanced with great Deep bass and bass definition and maybe slightly laid back . I think the slightly laid back sound is mainly due to the Purist Audio Fluid shielded cables and the MAC gear. This also allows you to be able to Really crank it up without being overwhelmed or having a presentation that feels like it is "Screaming" at you at high SPL levels. The Double Impacts for me, are the BEST Audio purchase, that I have ever made. |
I say the Mc2301s will win out easily because of their "Realness". The BHK300 will win out on Bass and Dynamics , but Give me the Realism That is what you get with tubes and especially mac tubes... Realism |
The EQ in JRiver Media Center works very well ,also. As an aside I am also using Pandora Plus through a Roku Ultra (HDMI out ) to the OPPO UDP 203 (HDMI in). I am also sending everything that comes from the Oppo UDP 203, using the (Audio Only HDMI out of the 203) into the McIntosh MX151 for the D to A conversion. This way I get the Benefit of having only 1 digital to Analog conversion being done. Of course anything that goes through the MX151 gets the Lygndorf Room Perfect applied. I do not know what the format or bitrate is from Pandora Plus , BUT, this is an amazingly good sound Oh I almost forgot , The HDMI cables are the Purist Audio Design HDMI In the previous setup i was using Purist Audio Ultimate USB, but found the HDMI to be slightly better sounding as well as the having the ability to carry any digital format or signal. The cost for the USB is $900 and the HDMI is $200 |
@viber6 I ripped all of my Cds in.wav format into JRiver. I had about 600 all together .Some people will say that you do not have to use .wav files , BUT...In my system i can hear a difference in lossloess vs .wav.. JRiver is probably not the most user friendly , but it can do up to double rate DSD. It will also upconvert any lower res files up to whatever your DAC can handle.they have channels that you can stream and lots of HD Radio stations. It is a pretty awesome piece of software. I am actually hardwired to my Router /Modem for Roku, TV, Mx150,Oppo203 .. etc You can also bitstream. The cost is about 40 bucks for the software. It will run on Mac or PC. You can download Gizmo for your phone andriod or apple , to control playback also. lots of cool things you can do with JRiver media Center. I put mine up on my 4K 70 inch Sony TV. It is awesome looking.. especially Black on Black skin https://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=71588.0 |
@curiousjim I do not remember exactly how much space , but i originally had two 500 gig hard drives , but I recently added a 2TB USB drive and started ripping all new stuff. I have heard that 1000 cds would be about 700 Gigabyte. I would think less than 1TB, The maximum storage capacity of a CD-ROM is about 700 Mb, so as a higher bound for 1000 non-compressed audio CD files I would consider 700*1000 Mb = 700 Gb = 0.7 Tb that can fit easily in an external hard disk drive. i am using a Dell Precision T5400. I definitely now use BackBlaze @ $5 per Month. |
@whitecamaross lright guys: I just plugged in one silver 7 cable to my right speaker and a silver 8 to my left speaker. I played a few songs and used the “mono” mode that the ref10 has which pretty much outputs the same signal to both L and R channel. I can certainly hear more out of the speaker connected with the silver 7. Incredible how the magico tell me what’s going on. Please be patient on the Cable break in . It is Real |
It takes some people years and others ,not that long , but it seems,myself included , that once people experience the Smooth, Open , Musicality and Realness of some Good Tube Equipment , it is very hard to go back to Solid State. :) I said it way back when , in this thread , about being able to listen for days on end, .That is the type of sound I can live with .....forever. |
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@whitecamaross This should be your next speaker endeavor https://forum.audiogon.com/discussions/considering-the-new-tekton-design-encores-and-owners-group-ex... |
@viber6 You are sadly mistaken if you really think McIntosh lives by its glitzy appearance. There are many people who like the Laid Back sound of McIntosh. A lot of people do not like the hyper detailed bleached sound of a lot of amps , that some consider detailed or high end. If you can’t turn it up and listen for more than 5 minutes(which i have found with a lot of hyper detailed amps), then what good is it ? A lot of people consider the somewhat lush laid back sound of McIntosh to be very desirable,..... Musical. Not everyone is in agreement as to what "Musical" is .and not everyone likes McIntosh. BUT McIntosh amps hold their value better than any brand I know of ! |
