My Long List of Amplifiers and My Personal Review of Each!


So I have been in a long journey looking to find the best amplifiers for my martin logan montis. As you know, the match between an amplifier and speakers has to be a good "marriage" and needs to be blend exquisitely. Right now, I think I might have found the best sounding amplifier for martin logan. I have gone through approximately 34-36 amplifiers in the past 12 months. Some of these are:

Bryston ST, SST, SST2 series
NAD M25
PARASOUND HALO
PARASOUND CLASSIC
KRELL TAS
KRELL KAV 500
KRELL CHORUS
ROTEL RMB 1095
CLASSE CT 5300
CLASSE CA 2200
CLASSE CA 5200
MCINTOSH MC 205
CARY AUDIO CINEMA 7
OUTLAW AUDIO 755
LEXICON RX7
PASS LABS XA 30.8
BUTLER AUDIO 5150
ATI SIGNATURE SERIES 6005

With all that said, the amplifiers I mentioned above are the ones that in my opinion are worth mentioning. To make a long story short, there is NO 5 CHANNEL POWER AMP that sounds as good as a 3ch and 2ch amplifier combination. i have done both experiments and the truth is that YOU DO lose details and more channel separation,etc when you select a 5 channel power amplifier of any manufacturer.
My recollection of what each amp sounded like is as follows:

ATI SIGNATURE SERIES 6005 (great power and amazing soundstage. Very low noise floor, BUT this amplifiers NEEDS TO BE cranked up in order to fully enjoy it. If you like listening at low volume levels or somewhat moderate, you are wasting your time here. This amp won’t sound any different than many other brands out there at this volume. The bass is great, good highs although they are a bit bright for my taste)

NAD M25 (very smooth, powerful, but somewhat thin sounding as far as bass goes)
Bryston sst2(detailed, good soundstage, good power, but can be a little forward with certain speakers which could make them ear fatiguing at loud volumes)

Krell (fast sounding, nice bass attack, nice highs, but some detail does get lost with certain speakers)

rotel (good amp for the money, but too bright in my opinion)

cary audio (good sound overall, very musical, but it didn’t have enough oomph)

parasound halo (good detail, great bass, but it still holds back some background detail that i can hear in others)

lexicon (very laid back and smooth. huge power, but if you like more detail or crisper highs, this amp will disappoint you)

McIntosh mc205 (probably the worst multichannel amp given its price point. it was too thin sounding, had detail but lacked bass.

butler audio (good amplifier. very warm and smooth sweet sounding. i think for the money, this is a better amp than the parasound a51)

pass labs (very VERY musical with excellent bass control. You can listen to this for hours and hours without getting ear fatigue. however, it DOES NOT do well in home theater applications if all you have is a 2 channel set up for movies. The midrange gets somewhat "muddy" or very weak sounding that you find yourself trying to turn it up.

classe audio (best amplifier for multi channel applications. i simply COULDNT FIND a better multi channel amplifier PERIOD. IT has amazing smoothness, amazing power and good bass control although i would say krell has much better bass control)

Update: The reviews above were done in January 2015. Below is my newest update as of October 2016:



PS AUDIO BHK 300 MONOBLOCKS: Amazing amps. Tons of detail and really amazing midrange. the bass is amazing too, but the one thing i will say is that those of you with speakers efficiency of 87db and below you will not have all the "loudness" that you may want from time to time. These amps go into protection mode when using a speaker such as the Salon, but only at very loud levels. Maybe 97db and above. If you don’t listen to extreme crazy levels, these amps will please you in every way.

Plinius Odeon 7 channel amp: This is THE BEST multichannel amp i have ever owned. Far , but FAR SUPERIOR to any other multichannel amp i have owned. In my opinion it destroyed all of the multichannel amps i mentioned above and below. The Odeon is an amp that is in a different tier group and it is in a league of its own. Amazing bass, treble and it made my center channel sound more articulate than ever before. The voices where never scrambled with the action scenes. It just separated everything very nicely.

Theta Dreadnaught D: Good detailed amp. Looks very elegant, has a pleasant sound, but i found it a tad too bright for my taste. I thought it was also somewhat "thin" sounding lacking body to the music. could be that it is because it is class d?

Krell Duo 300: Good amp. Nice and detailed with enough power to handle most speakers out there. I found that it does have a very nice "3d" sound through my electrostatics. Nothing to fault here on this amp.
Mark Levinson 532H: Great 2 channel amp. Lots of detail, amazing midrange which is what Mark Levinson is known for. It sounds very holographic and will please those of you looking for more detail and a better midrange. As far as bass, it is there, but it is not going to give you the slam of a pass labs 350.5 or JC1s for example. It is great for those that appreciate classical music, instrumental, etc, but not those of you who love tons of deep bass.

 It is articulate sounding too
Krell 7200: Plenty of detail and enough power for most people. i found that my rear speakers contained more information after installed this amp. One thing that i hated is that you must use xlr cables with this amp or else you lose most of its sound performance when using RCA’s.

Krell 402e: Great amp. Very powerful and will handle any speaker you wish. Power is incredible and with great detail. That said, i didn’t get all the bass that most reviewers mentioned. I thought it was "ok" in regards to bass. It was there, but it didn’t slam me to my listening chair.

Bryston 4B3: Good amp with a complete sound. I think this amp is more laid back than the SST2 version. I think those of you who found the SST2 version of this amp a little too forward with your speakers will definitely benefit from this amp’s warmth. Bryston has gone towards the "warm" side in my opinion with their new SST3 series. As always, they are built like tanks. I wouldn’t call this amp tube-like, but rather closer to what the classe audio delta 2 series sound like which is on the warm side of things.

Parasound JC1s: Good powerful amps. Amazing low end punch (far superior bass than the 402e). This amp is the amp that i consider complete from top to bottom in regards to sound. Nothing is lacking other than perhaps a nicer chassis. Parasound needs to rework their external appearance when they introduce new amps. This amp would sell much more if it had a revised external appearance because the sound is a great bang for the money. It made my 800 Nautilus scream and slam. Again, amazing low end punch.

Simaudio W7: Good detailed amp. This amp reminds me a lot of the Mark Levinson 532h. Great detail and very articulate. I think this amp will go well with bookshelves that are ported in order to compensate for what it lacks when it comes to the bass. That doesn’t mean it has no bass, but when it is no Parasound JC1 either.
Pass labs 350.5: Wow, where do i begin? maybe my first time around with the xa30.8 wasn’t as special as it was with this monster 350.5. It is just SPECTACULAR sounding with my electrostatics. The bass was THE BEST BASS i have ever heard from ANY amp period. The only amp that comes close would be the jC1s. It made me check my settings to make sure the bass was not boosted and kept making my jaw drop each time i heard it. It totally destroyed the krell 402e in every regard. The krell sounded too "flat" when compared to this amp. This amp had amazing mirange with great detail up top. In my opinion, this amp is the best bang for the money. i loved this amp so much that i ended up buying the amp that follows below.

Pass labs 250.8: What can i say here. This is THE BEST STEREO AMP i have ever heard. This amp destroys all the amps i have listed above today to include the pass labs 350.5. It is a refined 350.5 amp. It has more 3d sound which is something the 350.5 lacked. It has a level of detail that i really have never experienced before and the bass was amazing as well. I really thought it was the most complete power amplifier i have ever heard HANDS DOWN. To me, this is a benchmark of an amplifier. This is the amp that others should be judged by. NOTHING is lacking and right now it is the #1 amplifier that i have ever owned.

My current amps are Mcintosh MC601s: i decided to give these 601s a try and they don’t disappoint. They have great detail, HUGE soundstage, MASSIVE power and great midrange/highs. The bass is great, but it is no pass labs 250.8 or 350.5. As far as looks, these are the best looking amps i have ever owned. No contest there. i gotta be honest with you all, i never bought mcintosh monos before because i wasn’t really "wowed" by the mc452, but it could have been also because at that time i was using a processor as a preamp which i no longer do. Today, i own the Mcintosh C1100 2 chassis tube preamp which sounds unbelievable. All the amps i just described above have been amps that i auditioned with the C1100 as a preamp. The MC601s sound great without a doubt, but i will say that if you are looking for THE BEST sound for the money, these would not be it. However, Mcintosh remains UNMATCHED when it comes to looks and also resale value. Every other amp above depreciates much faster than Mcintosh.

That said, my future purchase (when i can find a steal of a deal) will be the Pass labs 350.8. I am tempted to make a preliminary statement which is that i feel this amp could be THE BEST stereo amp under 30k dollars. Again, i will be able to say more and confirm once i own it. I hope this update can help you all in your buying decisions!


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I agree my system is very resolving as well and I absolutely agree with you when it come to symphonic music.  Trying get all the instruments clearly delineated along with the wood tone and harmonics is a real challenge.  I think a system that can resolve a large symphony can do just about anything.  Agree balance is key
Gentleman having owned the Sasha Daw and now own the Alexia 2 I can tell you without changing anything in my system but the speakers, they are night and day. Whitecamaross has stated the differences quite well. 
I don’t know about the technical aspect of the driver, old tech or not but I’ve never noticed any issues on my Alexia 2s. In fact the speaker is never noticed at All just the Music. The present of the music is amazing. I can’t tell where one driver starts and the other stops. Very coherent and seamless. What ever they are doing it sure works for me. 
Viber So far I prefer the last video Of the Maggie’s  to all the others ever since the Mephisto was introduced. 
Any system I’ve ever heard and there have been many that can benefit from the right cable. To say zip cord offers the same benefit over other cables makes me wonder what system could not reveal improvements over the zip cord.  Of course it depends what you are looking for and the system you are using I guess. Clarity is certainly subjective in so many ways. Cabling definitely matters,  now whether or not it justifies the cost is definitely up for debate. As far as the Odin WC has,  well if you have it why not try it and see which you like better. WC has tried many different cables and I guess he like the detail of the Odin. Cables are personal preference.  I guess what Viber6 is sayIng is that he likes his zip cord just fine and that’s great.  Wish I could be happy with that. I’ve tried the zip cord and the comparison wasn’t even close. However me personally
,  I would never spend that kind of money on aN Odin cable because if I did I I would have to degrade the speaker or something else.  So yes Id put the many in the components first then fine tune with cables. However WC already has it so why not.  If you’re doing comparative evaluations, keeping cabling consistent will help In your evaluation but then Again some cables have a better synergy with certain Components. That’s why many manufacturers recommend the cable they voice the equipment with. So  WC when’s that next video coming out. Like to hear ARC ref 6 with the Mephisto. 
Thank you Jetter I appreciate your opinion. It is what it is. I know Jay personally and value what he’s doing. I also like hearing other opinions that may not be the same as his.  Like I said it’s entertaining.  Jays a tough guy he can handle it.  
What a hilarious read this morning. Don’t be upset about the conflict among the readers and posters on this thread. This is why this thread continues for so long “it’s entertaining “. It’s the National Enquirer of Audio. I log in daily to see the next round in a series of verbal joustings. I’m starting to keep score. Lately I can barely remember what this thread is about but the conflicts and debates are great. Bottom line is everyone has a right to their opinions At least for now.  I love it. Thanks to all of you 👍
Kren0006 for some reason I can’t post on the video. Must be because I’m using my iPad. Im Subscribed but can make a post. 
TechnoFirst off hearing loss is very interesting I googled 10 worst jobs for hearing.  Just to get the facts straight. 
#10. Hairdresser- multiple hairdryers 85db
#9.  Nursery school teacher, screaming kids 85db
#8. Motorcycle riding wind and motor 104db
#7. Gardener, lawn tools weed whack er etc 107db
#6 DJ in nightclub 115 bd
#5 Carpenter tool saws etc 120 db
#4. Builder,  jackhammers etc 130db
#3. Miner 135db
#2. Formula one race driver 135
#1. The worst job of all is Airport ground control at 140 dB  
I don’t ever recall WC saying he listened at concert levels for years where did you get that from?


 So we all  have some hearing loss If you’re over 40 however that doesn’t prevent us from discerning the difference between audio components. It just means you have a limited frequency range lacking the extremely high frequencies where there is very little music.    BTW the bass is not the damaging part of sound near as much as the loud high frequencies. Hope this puts the hearing issues in perspective. Also WCs videos allow you to listen and discern for yourself. Commenting specifically on what you notice is what we are looking for.  For example maybe you feel the sound quality has changed maybe not for the better,  but I’d like to know what specifically,  is it the sound stage, the high frequencies more or less aggressive etc. not whether or not WC is credible.  What is you perspective on the sound?   I’ve heard the Mephisto with the Wilson sound great and I’m sure WC will find the perfect recipe for many of you,  maybe not all as we are all different and prefer different music. I’m enjoying going on this journey with him,  where else can you do this from you on home. Keep it up WC I like it even if it’s not my journey. 
 

I must agree that your observations of live music are very well stated. The fact is that live music is far superior to recorded reproduced music. Just the recording process alone degrades things significantly. Not to mention trying to fix that with a system to play the recording.  The best we can hope for is to hear what’s on the recording and maybe embellish it a bit to our liking.  No matter what speaker you you will not get that back it was lost as soon as a microphone was placed between you and the live music. So what it comes down to is trying to recreate the EFFECT  that live music has on us.  So when you hear the live music what is it you like and why. For some it may be weight of it, for other it may be dynamics, or the detail of the reed or wood sound or the metal in the guitar string. What ever is more important to you will determine what you prefer in speakers Wise and supporting gear. Some systems get just one or Two characteristics close while some systems get close on multiple characteristics. If dynamics, bass and weight and less important The you may be happy with quads.  The point is that what ever you personally value in music will be what influences you decisions. No right or wrong choice because it is YOUR choice.  However just about the time I think I have it as good as it gets I hear something new that changes my view. Wish I could hear it all but don’t have the time, money  or energy to do that. However viber6 what speakers you like have peeked my interest since we value some of the same qualities in music. 
Maybe it was the Nordost that was tilted up not the amp. Nordost has always had that reputation. Gryphon has never been considered tilted up. I heard the Gryphon at a dealer with transparent and it was warm sounding. Maybe the Gryphon is just revealing of the cable or anything else in front of it. 
Sound like you are on the right track. Hoping to hear the Wilsons with those changes in place. 
WC I went back to the video from the colosseum to the present day Mephisto. I can’t say there has been any improvement along the way. I do feel the Mephisto does not have as much finesse with the music as the Colosseum has. Also previous videos seemed to have better tonal balance and naturalness. The problem in trying to tell the differences is that there have been so many changes so quickly that I can’t tell what change I’m hearing. Even the microphone has been Changed. All these changes make it almost impossible to determine what is what. Maybe a little more stability in the system would make it easier for us to make comparisons. Just within the last couple weeks you have changed power cords, interconnects, speaker cable and speakers. Personally I preferred the D’Agostino and the Colosseum over the Mephisto. While the Mephisto has better dynamics, bass slam And sound stage size It seems less musical and imore aggressive that earlier videos with the other Gryphon amp. Like I said it’s hard to know what is making the difference. We’ll see what the Pandora does when it comes in. My 2 cents worth for what it’s worth.
Once you hear the power of a full scale Orchestra in a decent hall you can’t  help but be swept away by it. The problem is that Classical is so very difficult To reproduce in the recording process and the playback system. I think a system that can do Classical right can do any other genre with ease.
Well all I can say to that is that I know many classical music lovers who attend the symphony on a weekly basis that will disagree with your assessment of the two Types of speakers.  The Maggie’s lack the detail and transparency  required to reproduce the leading edge of the string instruments not to mention the speed and impact of the Dynamic jump Of the full orchestra. Again the area Of music  you find more important may be different than what others find important. For you the open baffle design is your preference.  I certainly respect your opinion and understand your preference. I understand the benefits of both designs both giving you a different perspective on the music. You realize David Wilson was a classical music lover and recording engineer for for the large orchestral music. He has produced some of the best recordings of larger orchestras.  I think the Alexia 2s have excellent tonal Balance and harmonics given the right electronics. Besides you haven’t heard the Alexia 2 in the current setup as it is now with the current electronics and cabling. 
I agree KPS25sc the Wilsons does not have  discernible cabinet sound. That’s where much of their technology lies. I think most of the preconceived ideas of boxiness or cabinet sound are from back in the day or lower line speakers. Speaker cabinet technology has come a long way,  not just with Wilson but many others too.   I have owned numerous electrostats,  Soundlab U1and A1, numerous Martin Logan’s CLS, CLS 2 and 2z, The Prodigy, Acoustat and quad 63 and 57s and Apogees. They all seem to me to have different tonal balances. The Acoustat had a plastic sound.  None of them seem to have the true weight of the instrument but kind of a skeleton effect of the instrument. The apogees seem to come closer than all the rest but Out of all those the quad was the most captivating but only in a very limited type of music.  So while they have their niche and are fun I don’t think for me they could replace a well designed and executed dynamic speaker. If you wish to sit and listen to a violinist like Nigel Kennedy then and electrostats will do fine.  However I like a wide variety of music so the OB style is just too limited for me. 
When I hear “organic” I’m thinking absence of electronic haze, hearing the wood tones or metal tones or flesh tone if vocals, lack of signature. Where as “coherent” I think of not hearing individual drivers separately, consistent from the highs to the bass.  Like the sound emanating from one full range driver, or no speaker at all.  Not noticing the speakers in the room is the ultimate coherence. IMHO. 
  I think its very difficult to make any assessment between the two speakers since the two videos have different electronics. I think you’ll find the Alexia 2 will let you hear what ever electronics are in front of It even more so than the Maggie’s. I think you’ll see that when he puts the Alexia’s back in. They will take on the character of the electronics and cables you have in front.  Maggie’s  a little less so and more forgiving. I can agree that between the two videos the the latest Magnepan one is more pleasant that the other Alexia. However I think this has much more to do with the cabling changes. When the Alexia is back in we will see. 
Many speakers are designed with a box sound in mind. Harbeth is one of those. They claim the box sound is used to achieve a warm tube like presentation that draws you in.  A lot of people like them. However if you trying to achieve real true live sound this speaker is limited in its resolving power and dynamics and will not cut it. 
Viber I haven’t used an EQ since the late 70s so I cant speak to that. As I stated I can’t make a judgement on the two speakers without everything being the same. I just know the Alexia 2 well and your description seems off to me In reality. As far as the video I will give you my feedback if the two speakers are properly demoed with the same components. Given the almost limitless approach with amps and cables here on WCs channel,  I’m confident the Alexa 2 would excel in every area and would more than satisfy you as a musician and audiophile.  Go to a local dealer and hear them in person and  I think you’ll understand. 
Viber I understand you like panels better you’ve stated over and over.  I understand that. I just disagree on how you describe the Alexia as being boxy and not tonally correct. Tonality will vary with cables, room, equipment etc. As far as coherence the panels usually have an advantage since they have fewer drivers. However Wilson has really closed the gap with regards to coherence and hit a home run with regards to dynamics both macro and micro. Slight changes in volume level is more obvious. Smaller More subtle Instruments deep in the Soundstage become more clearly delineated. Dead quite black background.  The wood and weight of instruments very well portrayed. When you listen to this speaker you will only hear what’s in front of,  ie cables, amps, preamps, source, and recording quality. My question to you would be,  have you ever heard this speaker in person?  Listening on your computer will give you a very rough perspective maybe if you have a good set of headphones. However to really hear the awesomeness or to be able to discern the differences you describe you have to be there. That is why WCs input is so crucial. 
Viber I believe the 2nd video of the Maggie’s is with the gryphon cables which I agree have better tone. The cable has better tone not the speaker. We haven’t heard the Alexia with that cable. 
chayro I agree that changing too many things makes it difficult to assess one item. Changing speakers throws everything off. If we a evaluating amps then that is what needs to be changed. Everything else has to be constant while you switch different amps. If your evaluating cables then you can’t switch speakers in the middle of the process. However you can get an initial feel of a cable or amp when you switch  them in if everything else remains the same. Now if you’re just trying to create different systems completely then that is different and the variables are endless.  What works in one system may not work in another of course. So with too many changes too quick And then trying to evaluate a single cable or amp or speaker on a video is pointless.  All you can do is say yes I prefer the sound of this system,  not the speaker or the amp or the cable. These systems will usually revolve around a speaker.  So we can optimize each one of your choosing. Let’s say would I prefer a Martin Logan system or a Magnepan or a Wilson system. In that regard the videos can provide help in deciding which system you prefer. 
Viber you make a valid point about the curve panel. I’ve heard both and the flat panels are always superior in the sweet spot. More focus better every thing because now you listen to the whole panel directly instead of just a sliver. Even big Electrostat companies Like Sound Lab have started to decrease the Amount of the curve. I believe that initially one of the main complaints about electrostats is the head in a vice affect and people used to entertain in the home with music. Now is has become more of a solo “sport”. So if you are a solo listener then the flat panel is perfect for that. Curved panel have a sweet spot that is wider but not near as sweet as the flat panel giving it ALL to you. The old quad 57, In my opinion, is a flat panel and in many ways is still one of the best electrostats. That basic technology has yet to have many major advances. They have made them giant to get better bass and dynamics however What it does well it did well back then and still does today.  I will always have both types of speakers just for Change and the fun of it. 
So I did enjoy the 13a speakers. Very open and airy with a please sound. Lean compared to the 20.7s and the bass very disjointed in comparison. Didn’t have the rich solid tonal characteristics of the Maggie’s. But for the money they did pretty good. I liked the weight of instruments with Maggie’s better but it’s a larger speaker and sounds that way. Logan might be a little cleaner in the upper frequencies
Yes I had new panels put in and every now and then I pull them out just for fun. Still like them 
I agree with thezaks on this one. Viber has some valid point here as well. The top ten myths WC spoke of are his experiences not necessarily the absolute truth. When discussing DACs vs preamps its all system dependent. WC gave his opinions based on his experiences with his system. Some People will prefer Dac direct in some systems, some will prefer a preamp. Depends on which preamp and which dac, also the gain And Sensitivity of the amp, output of the dac matters too. Same with preamps. It’s all system dependent. The biggest variable is the goal of the user. One person may want more detail so one else more warmth or dynamics. Depends on what is important to you as a listener. There’s not a absolute right or wrong here.
Lot of good points viber. The Rossini can be run direct and the output Can be adjusted from 0.2v, 0.6v, 2v and 6v as well as digital volume control. In 99% of the systems I’ve heard, I personally always preferred the preamp over direct. However many like the direct approach,  I know some of Wilson’s employees use the DCS dac direct using the Wilson speakers.  when I run mine direct it still sound great I just prefer the preamp. I also like the capability of switching in different sources.  For me I always felt The preamp increased soundstage depth And breath, dynamics and bass QUALITY And even some improvement in tonal balance. Better weight of the instrument. Maybe not quite as detailed but only a slight difference. 
I think of a preamp as a sound shaper. Takes the raw signal and perhaps embellishes it to creat a certain type of soundstage or sound. All seem to be a little different at how they portrait the music. So many to choose from. 
That’s true WC with regards to ML bass taking on the signature of the driving amp you are using. The reason is that the ML built in amp takes it’s signal from the driving amp not from a preamp. Therefore in a since the driving amp acts as a preamp to the built in class D amp.  I owned the ML prodigy And ML told me the better amp you use the better the bass is as well. 
Viber I'm not sure if the Rossini has a built in gain stage or just a volume control. I’m inclined to think it’s an adjustable gain and isn’t bypassed. However How they control that and weather or not it is added circuitry I don’t know. I assume it’s controlled digitally because I can control it from my iPad. I’m sure you wondering if by running direct you are somehow degrading the signal by running though some sort of volume control. Frankly I don’t know but I doubt there’s a difference since I can still control the volume with my iPad when I’m using a preamp if I wanted too. However I leave in in the max position when I use a preamp. Maybe the max position disengages something. Not sure. 
WC what voltage setting are you using on the Rossini when you run it direct. 
Kren0006-  I prefer a preamp and for me in my systems I’ve heard I like it better. However so many people prefer no preamp or a passive so that is preferred for them. Therefore I’d agree with you direct dac is not always preferred. Not sure I’d say better just preferred. 
Tweak1,  WC is talking about listening to the direct vs the preamp in HIS very high end revealing system not your system. When you talk about your soundstage being deep, wide and holographic what preamp are you comparing it to. What system are you revealing it on. All this matters. I’m not doubting what you are hearing I’m just wondering what you are comparing It to and in what system.  This may make A difference. For example if you are comparing to an inferior preamp or a very good preamp. Can you clarify please. This will give us a greater understanding of how you reach your results. 
Well I just listened to the video with the preamp.  For me......It was much more engaging that with out a preamp. Sound seemed more life like and organic. I just liked it better. As far as which speaker to keep. That depends on what you are trying to do. I do prefer the sound of the Maggie’s however if you are going for two systems one ultra high end and one lower high end and for what you are doing I’d keep the Martin Logan. Mainly because you will be able to help more people get that speaker right since there are probably more ML owners than Maggie’s.  The reason I say that is Matin Logan is a larger company and they are prettier to look at. Even tho I prefer the Magnepan sound i believe fewer people will own it especially the 20.7 due to is size and room problems.