zprr,
Same thoughts here - would be curious to know what Jay thinks about that.
Dave
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Maybe we finally have power conditioning that you might like :-) Dave
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WC,
Are the amps also plugged into the Powercell, or are they still straight into the wall? Dave
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WC,
Absolutely wishing you the best as you take the next steps.
Dave
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I believe that WC also had the Plinius Odeon multi-channel amp. Dave
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ricevs - good info - thanks! kren0006 - no worries, I definitely understand :-) Dave
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flame : saying that WC's thread and/or videos are "commercial in nature" - I would very much disagree. It's actually the antithesis of commercial and is entirely personal.
Dave
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So cool to see this happen - kudos to both WC and viber6! Seems like most folks are on-board too with seeing the value proposition of a lower cost amp in a high end system. Hopefully, it will allow other folks some comfort to be able to send their lower cost gear to WC for a shot in his system.
It will be interesting to see where a lower cost amp would rate - which tier would it fall into? Bottom tier is expected, due to price. Can it be better than McIntosh in that bottom tier? Can it possibly get up to middle tier and take down Pass Labs? Some of these less expensive amps have new technology and sometimes trickle down technology from more expensive amps. Anyway, should be fun.
Dave
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It's interesting that yyzsantabarbara is waiting on ricevs to finish with the mod. If ricevs is watching here, does he want to get the mod done so that yyzsantabarbara can send the amp to WC and thus have it evaluated?
Or, would it be a possibility that ricevs is not interested in having an amp with his mods in WC's system, and therefore will delay getting the mods done, just so it cannot be evaluated? I speculate because ricevs has some very interesting posts, and others mention the mods that ricevs does; however, ricevs has not made any effort to share some of his work with WC during this opportunity. If WC were to make an exception on his deadline to allow yyzsantabarbara's Voyager amp to be used in his system at a later date, then we would definitely get the opportunity to hear some of the work that ricevs does on amps. Of course, that would be up to WC. I'm sure he has some gear lined up in the near future. Dave
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kren0006, I enjoy both sides, and let's face it, WC is at the forefront of both. I don't know if there's anyone out there doing comparisons of the TOTL amps vs budget priced amps with his kind of setup. It will be interesting to see how many views he gets. What will be important though is for WC to have a video where he shares his opinion, since he mentioned that those kinds of videos (where he is talking and no music) are the most popular ones. Dave
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That's really cool WC! Dave
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derekw_hawaii, I agree with what you mentioned, but viber6 might feel the exact opposite, preferring without a preamp for clarity. Dave
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WC, One idea is to do it both ways. If not for the video, at least for your listening and your comments. Dave
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Hey bhvf - great if you don’t care to know, but I would like to know if WC is intending to keep it consistent or if he’s mixing it up. WC - thanks for letting us know. I'll consider each one individually then.
Dave
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WC, I have the same question as viber6 - is the amp in presentation one of video one the same as the amp in presentation one of video two?
Thanks,Dave
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As I suspected, the modded amp "somehow" does not make the trip to WC... Dave
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rbach - interesting that you found #1 less focused and diffused - I didn't perceive that.
viber6 - for the first two videos, I turned off my analytical side and just enjoyed presentation #1 better. For video 3, presentation #1 may have a little too much high frequency for me. Dave
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WC, Great video! Getting your in-room opinion is exactly what I was wanting to hear. A lot of what you described is why I like typical Class A more than typical Class D. Lesson learned for me - listening to cheap headphones in my noisy Server Room at work - and listening only one time - is not the way to listen to these videos. I knew it wasn't the best way, which is why I mentioned that I was not listening critically. Feel free to use me as an example of what not to do :-) I'm working from home this afternoon, and I'm playing the songs on my home audio system, and it's a big difference - #2 is definitely better than #1 for me. Love the decay and ease of the Class A amps! I'm sure it's easy to say, now that I know the result - but it's my own fault, and I accept any criticism. A big clue for me should have been my comment on the 3rd video.
Dave
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Bummer about the music server. Excited to find out the new (for you) brand of preamp. Dave
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I'm wondering if WC feels the same about the SR Powercell, based upon his comment that he might be done with power conditioning. This time around, he seemed impressed with the Powercell, however, I am guessing that he eventually detected some things that he did not like and decided that exluding the Powercell was a preference for him. I'm sure different power conditioners contribute some good things - the question is - does that outweigh what they take away? Dave
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WC, I think you're saying that some power cords can clean up the power enough that you can opt to do without a power conditioner. The other thing that many power conditioners provide is surge protection. Of course, many of us have power amps directly to the wall anyway :-) I have somewhat of a whole-house surge protector at the panel - I'm sure others do as well. Dave
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WC, You had mentioned that you will have an interview with someone from Krell. Will you be trying their XD amp in your system? I don't think you've tried that one, and it might be good for another of the lower price point amp vs higher price point amp videos. Dave
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WC, Regarding the Transparent cables, I'm curious if there's any trickle down into the lower priced lines and I'm curious how well those perform? Probably not something you will be doing :-) Dave
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rbach, viber6 simply expressed an opinion on what he felt was implied. If he's wrong, just point that out and let him respond. I don't think there should be any shame on him or need for an apology.
Dave
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rbach, I think you might have missed it in one of his posts on this page (before your post) - he starts the post with this: "I was reading between the lines in the Alexx V review that Jay posted. " Hope that helps.
Dave
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WC,
Not sure if scm meant for for the 3060 specifically, but I would guess that you would have to use the factory supplied cord for the 3060, unless you get a custom one made.
Dave
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WC, I see that someone asked you in the comments on the YT page about the SR grounding system vs. the Nordost, and now we have folks asking and speculating here as well. Will this possibly be another video? Thanks,Dave
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speedbump6,
I know and have used several dealers that don't have storefronts. Websites often become storefronts now, in the absence of an actual storefront.
Dave
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WC,
I liked Part 1 with Walter, and looking forward to Part 2. I have a Krell multichannel XD amp for my home theater, and I really like it. Best multi-channel amp I have owned, and I've owned many (including a custom upgraded Odeon). Took a while for the Krell to break in, but it sounds great. Hope you get one to try - it might prove to be a decent value.
Dave
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I'm not sure I follow the reasoning either. I did not think you were in consideration of manufacturers or dealers - that you were just buying/owning equipment and sharing your opinion of that equipment, regardless of how it might affect manufacturers and/or dealers.
Dave
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Oh, OK, yeah, a different story if you're thinking about becoming a Dealer.
Dave
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You should absolutely do what you want to do. Nothing wrong with that at all.
What I foresee (and probably kren0006 as well) is that some folks will look at you differently as a Dealer, as opposed to just a guy who buys equipment and comments on that equipment.
Enjoy what you do and succeed in what you do - congrats on that WC.
Dave
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Fully agreed kren0006. On one hand, you have someone with tremendous experience with many amplifier brands and models. However, for some folks, they won't be able to get past the possible bias of being a Dealer for certain brand(s).
Dave
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WC,
Have you tried Audionet amps? I don't recall seeing that you had them.
Thanks,
Dave
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WC,
I like the videos with you and OCD Mike. I guess I'm a little behind here - who is he? Just another audiophile? Local to you?
Thanks,
Dave
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I understand the point that was attempting to be made, but I think car/tires is not a good analogy of speakers/amps.
Dave
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Interesting video and just goes to show how we all hear differently. I'll be looking forward to the two of you comparing notes at certain points in the songs to see if you would then agree or continue to have differing opinions.
Not sure if a 3rd person would be an absolute answer - might need at least two more folks.
Dave
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psnyder149,
I think we kind of noticed in WC's videos much of what you mentioned. His previous Wilson speakers sounded better with the Boulder electronics than his existing/better Wilson speakers sounded with lesser electronics.
Dave
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Thanks everyone for the info on OCD Mike :-)
Dave
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I could be completely wrong, but I'm guessing that Mikey's comment about WC's Lab having studio quality sound is an indicator that WC's room is more about being a Lab where components are evaluated and compared. I am betting that Mikey's system is more about listening and enjoying the music, not as much about studio quality sound. Not that music cannot be enjoyed in WC's room - I'm sure it's enjoyable. And not that Mikey's system doesn't do things technically well. I'm just guessing that they are on each side of what might be considered the middle. Again, just speculation - I have never seen or heard Mike's system (does anyone have a link to his videos?).
Dave
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Hey bulldogger,
Yes, that's my neck of the woods here in Phoenix - that place has two locations - one in Tempe and one in Scottsdale. Really nice stores.
Dave
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That's awesome WC! Looks like you got so much more from the show than OCD Mikey, who seems burnt out on shows (he even has a video explaining about that). I'm betting there are many others who find that your content is a great outlet from every day life.
Dave
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WC,
Where did kren0006 and his fairly accurate guessing of equipment go? You've been indicating that you will be more about YT and less about this thread, so maybe he decided to drop off?
"Apparently nobody else cared gave theirs on here." Maybe folks are dropping off from this thread, based upon what you've been saying. Not sure.
Dave
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@pokey77
Yes, I knew and have used that - thanks though. I wasn't trying to get kren0006's attention in that moment, just pointing out to WC that folks might be dropping off due to his comments about the value of this thread going forward.
Dave
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@pokey77
I totally agree with you about the thread - I hope it continues to have value. I also agree with kren0006 - respecting WC's path and wishing him the best of success.
Dave
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He says the below in his PF review of the footers - not sure if that's what keithr meant? Or, perhaps a different quote?
"It was as if my linestage, mono amps, and sources, even my loudspeakers, had all been replaced by components that were at least two to three times more expensive!"
Dave
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For the second video, I think I like Presentation #2 better.
Dave
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Too bad about Walter and Krell. I felt like Walter contributed a lot to the seeming revival of Krell. We'll have to see where they go from here.
Dave
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You plugged the new component into the wall, so perhaps it's an amp - a stereo amp? Maybe not though, because monos would be the ultimate seemingly. kren0006 we need you!
Dave
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