My Long List of Amplifiers and My Personal Review of Each!


So I have been in a long journey looking to find the best amplifiers for my martin logan montis. As you know, the match between an amplifier and speakers has to be a good "marriage" and needs to be blend exquisitely. Right now, I think I might have found the best sounding amplifier for martin logan. I have gone through approximately 34-36 amplifiers in the past 12 months. Some of these are:

Bryston ST, SST, SST2 series
NAD M25
PARASOUND HALO
PARASOUND CLASSIC
KRELL TAS
KRELL KAV 500
KRELL CHORUS
ROTEL RMB 1095
CLASSE CT 5300
CLASSE CA 2200
CLASSE CA 5200
MCINTOSH MC 205
CARY AUDIO CINEMA 7
OUTLAW AUDIO 755
LEXICON RX7
PASS LABS XA 30.8
BUTLER AUDIO 5150
ATI SIGNATURE SERIES 6005

With all that said, the amplifiers I mentioned above are the ones that in my opinion are worth mentioning. To make a long story short, there is NO 5 CHANNEL POWER AMP that sounds as good as a 3ch and 2ch amplifier combination. i have done both experiments and the truth is that YOU DO lose details and more channel separation,etc when you select a 5 channel power amplifier of any manufacturer.
My recollection of what each amp sounded like is as follows:

ATI SIGNATURE SERIES 6005 (great power and amazing soundstage. Very low noise floor, BUT this amplifiers NEEDS TO BE cranked up in order to fully enjoy it. If you like listening at low volume levels or somewhat moderate, you are wasting your time here. This amp won’t sound any different than many other brands out there at this volume. The bass is great, good highs although they are a bit bright for my taste)

NAD M25 (very smooth, powerful, but somewhat thin sounding as far as bass goes)
Bryston sst2(detailed, good soundstage, good power, but can be a little forward with certain speakers which could make them ear fatiguing at loud volumes)

Krell (fast sounding, nice bass attack, nice highs, but some detail does get lost with certain speakers)

rotel (good amp for the money, but too bright in my opinion)

cary audio (good sound overall, very musical, but it didn’t have enough oomph)

parasound halo (good detail, great bass, but it still holds back some background detail that i can hear in others)

lexicon (very laid back and smooth. huge power, but if you like more detail or crisper highs, this amp will disappoint you)

McIntosh mc205 (probably the worst multichannel amp given its price point. it was too thin sounding, had detail but lacked bass.

butler audio (good amplifier. very warm and smooth sweet sounding. i think for the money, this is a better amp than the parasound a51)

pass labs (very VERY musical with excellent bass control. You can listen to this for hours and hours without getting ear fatigue. however, it DOES NOT do well in home theater applications if all you have is a 2 channel set up for movies. The midrange gets somewhat "muddy" or very weak sounding that you find yourself trying to turn it up.

classe audio (best amplifier for multi channel applications. i simply COULDNT FIND a better multi channel amplifier PERIOD. IT has amazing smoothness, amazing power and good bass control although i would say krell has much better bass control)

Update: The reviews above were done in January 2015. Below is my newest update as of October 2016:



PS AUDIO BHK 300 MONOBLOCKS: Amazing amps. Tons of detail and really amazing midrange. the bass is amazing too, but the one thing i will say is that those of you with speakers efficiency of 87db and below you will not have all the "loudness" that you may want from time to time. These amps go into protection mode when using a speaker such as the Salon, but only at very loud levels. Maybe 97db and above. If you don’t listen to extreme crazy levels, these amps will please you in every way.

Plinius Odeon 7 channel amp: This is THE BEST multichannel amp i have ever owned. Far , but FAR SUPERIOR to any other multichannel amp i have owned. In my opinion it destroyed all of the multichannel amps i mentioned above and below. The Odeon is an amp that is in a different tier group and it is in a league of its own. Amazing bass, treble and it made my center channel sound more articulate than ever before. The voices where never scrambled with the action scenes. It just separated everything very nicely.

Theta Dreadnaught D: Good detailed amp. Looks very elegant, has a pleasant sound, but i found it a tad too bright for my taste. I thought it was also somewhat "thin" sounding lacking body to the music. could be that it is because it is class d?

Krell Duo 300: Good amp. Nice and detailed with enough power to handle most speakers out there. I found that it does have a very nice "3d" sound through my electrostatics. Nothing to fault here on this amp.
Mark Levinson 532H: Great 2 channel amp. Lots of detail, amazing midrange which is what Mark Levinson is known for. It sounds very holographic and will please those of you looking for more detail and a better midrange. As far as bass, it is there, but it is not going to give you the slam of a pass labs 350.5 or JC1s for example. It is great for those that appreciate classical music, instrumental, etc, but not those of you who love tons of deep bass.

 It is articulate sounding too
Krell 7200: Plenty of detail and enough power for most people. i found that my rear speakers contained more information after installed this amp. One thing that i hated is that you must use xlr cables with this amp or else you lose most of its sound performance when using RCA’s.

Krell 402e: Great amp. Very powerful and will handle any speaker you wish. Power is incredible and with great detail. That said, i didn’t get all the bass that most reviewers mentioned. I thought it was "ok" in regards to bass. It was there, but it didn’t slam me to my listening chair.

Bryston 4B3: Good amp with a complete sound. I think this amp is more laid back than the SST2 version. I think those of you who found the SST2 version of this amp a little too forward with your speakers will definitely benefit from this amp’s warmth. Bryston has gone towards the "warm" side in my opinion with their new SST3 series. As always, they are built like tanks. I wouldn’t call this amp tube-like, but rather closer to what the classe audio delta 2 series sound like which is on the warm side of things.

Parasound JC1s: Good powerful amps. Amazing low end punch (far superior bass than the 402e). This amp is the amp that i consider complete from top to bottom in regards to sound. Nothing is lacking other than perhaps a nicer chassis. Parasound needs to rework their external appearance when they introduce new amps. This amp would sell much more if it had a revised external appearance because the sound is a great bang for the money. It made my 800 Nautilus scream and slam. Again, amazing low end punch.

Simaudio W7: Good detailed amp. This amp reminds me a lot of the Mark Levinson 532h. Great detail and very articulate. I think this amp will go well with bookshelves that are ported in order to compensate for what it lacks when it comes to the bass. That doesn’t mean it has no bass, but when it is no Parasound JC1 either.
Pass labs 350.5: Wow, where do i begin? maybe my first time around with the xa30.8 wasn’t as special as it was with this monster 350.5. It is just SPECTACULAR sounding with my electrostatics. The bass was THE BEST BASS i have ever heard from ANY amp period. The only amp that comes close would be the jC1s. It made me check my settings to make sure the bass was not boosted and kept making my jaw drop each time i heard it. It totally destroyed the krell 402e in every regard. The krell sounded too "flat" when compared to this amp. This amp had amazing mirange with great detail up top. In my opinion, this amp is the best bang for the money. i loved this amp so much that i ended up buying the amp that follows below.

Pass labs 250.8: What can i say here. This is THE BEST STEREO AMP i have ever heard. This amp destroys all the amps i have listed above today to include the pass labs 350.5. It is a refined 350.5 amp. It has more 3d sound which is something the 350.5 lacked. It has a level of detail that i really have never experienced before and the bass was amazing as well. I really thought it was the most complete power amplifier i have ever heard HANDS DOWN. To me, this is a benchmark of an amplifier. This is the amp that others should be judged by. NOTHING is lacking and right now it is the #1 amplifier that i have ever owned.

My current amps are Mcintosh MC601s: i decided to give these 601s a try and they don’t disappoint. They have great detail, HUGE soundstage, MASSIVE power and great midrange/highs. The bass is great, but it is no pass labs 250.8 or 350.5. As far as looks, these are the best looking amps i have ever owned. No contest there. i gotta be honest with you all, i never bought mcintosh monos before because i wasn’t really "wowed" by the mc452, but it could have been also because at that time i was using a processor as a preamp which i no longer do. Today, i own the Mcintosh C1100 2 chassis tube preamp which sounds unbelievable. All the amps i just described above have been amps that i auditioned with the C1100 as a preamp. The MC601s sound great without a doubt, but i will say that if you are looking for THE BEST sound for the money, these would not be it. However, Mcintosh remains UNMATCHED when it comes to looks and also resale value. Every other amp above depreciates much faster than Mcintosh.

That said, my future purchase (when i can find a steal of a deal) will be the Pass labs 350.8. I am tempted to make a preliminary statement which is that i feel this amp could be THE BEST stereo amp under 30k dollars. Again, i will be able to say more and confirm once i own it. I hope this update can help you all in your buying decisions!


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zprr,

Same thoughts here - would be curious to know what Jay thinks about that.

Dave

WC,

Are the amps also plugged into the Powercell, or are they still straight into the wall?
Dave
ricevs - good info - thanks!
kren0006 - no worries, I definitely understand   :-)
Dave
flame : saying that WC's thread and/or videos are "commercial in nature"  - I would very much disagree.  It's actually the antithesis of commercial and is entirely personal.

Dave
So cool to see this happen - kudos to both WC and viber6!
Seems like most folks are on-board too with seeing the value proposition of a lower cost amp in a high end system.  Hopefully, it will allow other folks some comfort to be able to send their lower cost gear to WC for a shot in his system. 

It will be interesting to see where a lower cost amp would rate - which tier would it fall into?   Bottom tier is expected, due to price.   Can it be better than McIntosh in that bottom tier?   Can it possibly get up to middle tier and take down Pass Labs?  Some of these less expensive amps have new technology and sometimes trickle down technology from more expensive amps.  Anyway, should be fun.

Dave
It's interesting that yyzsantabarbara is waiting on ricevs to finish with the mod.  If ricevs is watching here, does he want to get the mod done so that yyzsantabarbara can send the amp to WC and thus have it evaluated?

Or, would it be a possibility that ricevs is not interested in having an amp with his mods in WC's system, and therefore will delay getting the mods done, just so it cannot be evaluated?
I speculate because ricevs has some very interesting posts, and others mention the mods that ricevs does; however, ricevs has not made any effort to share some of his work with WC during this opportunity.
If WC were to make an exception on his deadline to allow yyzsantabarbara's Voyager amp to be used in his system at a later date, then we would definitely get the opportunity to hear some of the work that ricevs does on amps.   Of course, that would be up to WC.  I'm sure he has some gear lined up in the near future.
Dave
kren0006,
I enjoy both sides, and let's face it, WC is at the forefront of both.  I don't know if there's anyone out there doing comparisons of the TOTL amps vs budget priced amps with his kind of setup.   It will be interesting to see how many views he gets.   What will be important though is for WC to have a video where he shares his opinion, since he mentioned that those kinds of videos (where he is talking and no music) are the most popular ones.
Dave
derekw_hawaii,
I agree with what you mentioned, but viber6 might feel the exact opposite, preferring without a preamp for clarity.
Dave
WC,
One idea is to do it both ways.   If not for the video, at least for your listening and your comments.
Dave
Hey bhvf - great if you don’t care to know, but I would like to know if WC is intending to keep it consistent or if he’s mixing it up.
WC - thanks for letting us know.   I'll consider each one individually then.

Dave
WC,
I have the same question as viber6 - is the amp in presentation one of video one the same as the amp in presentation one of video two? 

Thanks,Dave
rbach - interesting that you found #1 less focused and diffused -   I didn't perceive that. 

viber6 - for the first two videos, I turned off my analytical side and just enjoyed presentation #1 better.  For video 3, presentation #1 may have a little too much high frequency for me.
Dave
WC,
Great video!    Getting your in-room opinion is exactly what I was wanting to hear.   A lot of what you described is why I like typical Class A more than typical Class D.
Lesson learned for me - listening to cheap headphones in my noisy Server Room at work - and listening only one time - is not the way to listen to these videos.   I knew it wasn't the best way, which is why I mentioned that I was not listening critically.  Feel free to use me as an example of what not to do :-)
I'm working from home this afternoon, and I'm playing the songs on my home audio system, and it's a big difference - #2 is definitely better than #1 for me. Love the decay and ease of the Class A amps!  I'm sure it's easy to say, now that I know the result - but it's my own fault, and I accept any criticism.   A big clue for me should have been my comment on the 3rd video.

Dave
Bummer about the music server.   Excited to find out the new (for you) brand of preamp.
Dave
I'm wondering if WC feels the same about the SR Powercell, based upon his comment that he might be done with power conditioning.   This time around, he seemed impressed with the Powercell, however, I am guessing that he eventually detected some things that he did not like and decided that exluding the Powercell was a preference for him.    I'm sure different power conditioners contribute some good things - the question is - does that outweigh what they take away?
Dave
WC,
I think you're saying that some power cords can clean up the power enough that you can opt to do without a power conditioner.  The other thing that many power conditioners provide is surge protection.   Of course, many of us have power amps directly to the wall anyway :-)
I have somewhat of a whole-house surge protector at the panel - I'm sure others do as well.
Dave
WC,
You had mentioned that you will have an interview with someone from Krell.  Will you be trying their XD amp in your system?   I don't think you've tried that one, and it might be good for another of the lower price point amp vs higher price point amp videos.
Dave
WC,
Regarding the Transparent cables, I'm curious if there's any trickle down into the lower priced lines and I'm curious how well those perform?   Probably not something you will be doing  :-)
Dave
rbach,
viber6 simply expressed an opinion on what he felt was implied.  If he's wrong, just point that out and let him respond.   I don't think there should be any shame on him or need for an apology.  

Dave
rbach,
I think you might have missed it in one of his posts on this page (before your post) - he starts the post with this:
"I was reading between the lines in the Alexx V review that Jay posted. "
Hope that helps.

Dave

WC,

Not sure if scm meant for for the 3060 specifically, but I would guess that you would have to use the factory supplied cord for the 3060, unless you get a custom one made.

Dave

WC,
I see that someone asked you in the comments on the YT page about the SR grounding system vs. the Nordost, and now we have folks asking and speculating here as well.   Will this possibly be another video?
Thanks,Dave

speedbump6,

I know and have used several dealers that don't have storefronts.  Websites often become storefronts now, in the absence of an actual storefront. 

Dave

WC,

 

I liked Part 1 with Walter, and looking forward to Part 2.    I have a Krell multichannel XD amp for my home theater, and I really like it.  Best multi-channel amp I have owned, and I've owned many (including a custom upgraded Odeon).  Took a while for the Krell to break in, but it sounds great.  Hope you get one to try - it might prove to be a decent value.

 

Dave

I'm not sure I follow the reasoning either.  I did not think you were in consideration of manufacturers or dealers - that you were just buying/owning equipment and sharing your opinion of that equipment, regardless of how it might affect manufacturers and/or dealers.  

 

Dave

Oh, OK, yeah, a different story if you're thinking about becoming a Dealer. 

 

Dave

You should absolutely do what you want to do.   Nothing wrong with that at all.

What I foresee (and probably kren0006 as well) is that some folks will look at you differently as a Dealer, as opposed to just a guy who buys equipment and comments on that equipment.

Enjoy what you do and succeed in what you do - congrats on that WC.

 

Dave

Fully agreed kren0006.  On one hand, you have someone with tremendous experience with many amplifier brands and models.   However, for some folks, they won't be able to get past the possible bias of being a Dealer for certain brand(s).

 

Dave

 

WC,

Have you tried Audionet amps?  I don't recall seeing that you had them.

Thanks,

Dave

WC,

 

I like the videos with you and OCD Mike.  I guess I'm a little behind here - who is he?  Just another audiophile?  Local to you?

 

Thanks,

Dave

I understand the point that was attempting to be made, but I think car/tires is not a good analogy of speakers/amps.

 

Dave

Interesting video and just goes to show how we all hear differently.   I'll be looking forward to the two of you comparing notes at certain points in the songs to see if you would then agree or continue to have differing opinions. 

Not sure if a 3rd person would be an absolute answer - might need at least two more folks.

 

Dave

psnyder149,

I think we kind of noticed in WC's videos much of what you mentioned.  His previous Wilson speakers sounded better with the Boulder electronics than his existing/better Wilson speakers sounded with lesser electronics. 

 

Dave

I could be completely wrong, but I'm guessing that Mikey's comment about WC's Lab having studio quality sound is an indicator that WC's room is more about being a Lab where components are evaluated and compared.  I am betting that Mikey's system is more about listening and enjoying the music, not as much about studio quality sound.  Not that music cannot be enjoyed in WC's room - I'm sure it's enjoyable.   And not that Mikey's system doesn't do things technically well.   I'm just guessing that they are on each side of what might be considered the middle.  Again, just speculation - I have never seen or heard Mike's system  (does anyone have a link to his videos?). 

 

Dave

Hey bulldogger,

Yes, that's my neck of the woods here in Phoenix - that place has two locations - one in Tempe and one in Scottsdale.   Really nice stores.

Dave

That's awesome WC!   Looks like you got so much more from the show than OCD Mikey, who seems burnt out on shows (he even has a video explaining about that).  I'm betting there are many others who find that your content is a great outlet from every day life.  

Dave

WC,

Where did kren0006 and his fairly accurate guessing of equipment go?   You've been indicating that you will be more about YT and less about this thread, so maybe he decided to drop off?  

"Apparently nobody else cared  gave theirs on here."   Maybe folks are dropping off from this thread, based upon what you've been saying.  Not sure.  

Dave

@pokey77 

Yes, I knew and have used that - thanks though.  I wasn't trying to get kren0006's attention in that moment, just pointing out to WC that folks might be dropping off due to his comments about the value of this thread going forward.

Dave

@pokey77 

I totally agree with you about the thread - I hope it continues to have value.  I also agree with kren0006 - respecting WC's path and wishing him the best of success.  

Dave

He says the below in his PF review of the footers - not sure if that's what keithr meant?  Or, perhaps a different quote?

"It was as if my linestage, mono amps, and sources, even my loudspeakers, had all been replaced by components that were at least two to three times more expensive!"

Dave

Too bad about Walter and Krell.  I felt like Walter contributed a lot to the seeming revival of Krell.  We'll have to see where they go from here.

Dave

You plugged the new component into the wall, so perhaps it's an amp - a stereo amp?   Maybe not though, because monos would be the ultimate seemingly.  kren0006 we need you!

Dave