******While many of Rok's controversial statements may or may not be true******
All my comments are true and they are not controversial. Facts can never be controversial.
The Thing about Goodman being the 'King' of Jazz is true. There was a backlash, this was beyond the pale, even for the times, so it was changed to 'King' of swing. I guess everyone had to be King of something.
BTW, none of this was Goodman's doing. As I said he did integrate his band at a time when that was a huge risk! I always give him credit for that courage. I think pianist Teddy Wilson was the first.
I have one poster on the wall of my listening room. Ella singing at a club, and Ellington and Goodman at a table together, watching in awe. Love it!
O-10, if you don't see or consider the history in music, you are missing a lot.
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Recent Acquisition:
Bobby McFerrin -- SPIRIT YOU ALL
McFerrin gives his unique take on well known spirituals. A lot of old favorites here: Everytime I feel the Spirit, Lay my burdens down, Swing Low, and others. 13 Tunes.
My favorite was 25:15. Was it a Spiritual or Blues? Sounded like The Staple Singers meeets John Lee Hooker. The harmony and guitar was pure Staples, but the band could have been Hooker's band. Great stuff.
The entire set had a Oscar Brown Jr feel to it. Without Brown's social commentary. And that is high praise.
Is it Jazz? Some won't think so, but Cannonball did say it was all the same thing!! :)
Ali Jackson is on drums. I remember him from the Dee Dee set at Yoshi's. Good to see young folks get into the Music. He wears a coat and tie also!
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The Learsfool:
Seems as if ALL box sets by Jack Teagarden are very highly rated. He was an innoavator on the trombome as The Frogman said. I guess you could say he was to swing what J.J. Johnson would later be to Bop.
His best years were pre-Bop, which is why I probably don't have any of his stuff. Sound quality issues with a lot of old stuff.
He played with Armstrong from 1947-1951. Was a good singer also. He made the mistake of signing a long term contract with Paul Whiteman, so a lot of oppourtunity to form and lead his own band passed him by.
To clarify this thingy. Politicians always try to 'use' famous people for their own purposes. Teagarden was probably a nice guy and a great musician. He never claimed to be 'King' of anything.
Sort of like the Jack Johnson mess and the Schmeling and Louis travesty. And don't forget the tragedy of the East German athletes. Politicians using people.
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O-10:
I cannot find the CD. But I did run across all of this stuff, which seems to be great. Check it out. But still no CD with Senor Blues??? Help!
http://www.youtube.com/user/hidesuke1948
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http://www.youtube.com/user/hidesuke1948
A lot of links to good youtubes on this page.
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I finished the last CD today. I think you will enjoy the set. You can have fun trying to 'guess' who is playing what!
I just like the idea of putting on a CD and listening to some of the best Jazz ever recorded. No filler.
Like you, I have most of these, but I like the random aspect of playing the CDs.
And it includes the 'corrected' version of Ellington's Diminuendo and Crescendo in Blue, as performed at New Port.
I am sure you know of Paul Gonsalves' 'interlude' hahahhahahah On the original LP he blew into the wrong mike. After a lot of effort between VoA and CBS, all is now as it should be. His solo was recorded on a Voice of America mike instead of the CBS mike. It is loud and clear now.
I have also discovered that Ornette Coleman is not as bad as I once though. Could I be growing into his stuff?
Check out the tune list of CD-5. That alone is worth the price.
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O-10:
Don't forget "The 100 Best Jazz Tunes of the 1950s". You won't be sorry. I love them all. One of my best purchases.
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O-10:
It seems to be part of the "100 Gold Fingers" Series.
Will have to find out more about that.
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It's getting to be that time of year!
A CARNEGIE HALL CHRISTMAS CONCERT
Kathleen Battle - Frederica von Stade - Wynton Marsalis - Andre Previn with orch and chorus.
Great Singing by two of the best. Wynton and his band do a great 'Winter Wonderland' and 'Three Kings'. I have it on CD and will now order the DVD. I nust SEE this.
Is there anything Wynton CANNOT do?? His, and his septet's playing is perfect for this performance! The man is at home in any setting! Just like Ray!
The arrangements are just awesome. Battle is awesome on the 'Mary' tunes. At moments, Her voice/music sounds a little 'Porgy & Bess-ish'. von Stade shines on 'Lo, How A Rose E'er blooming'. Effort went into this. And the best were recruited to do it.
The American Boyschoir and the Christmas Concert Chorus provide support.
A Must Have.
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Exactly! As I said, Nawlins!
I have been looking for my CD of Perlman and Zukerman playing Mozart Violin Concertos, with guest soloist, Roland Kirk, but I can't seem to find it.
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****Another Bad Boy*****
Acman3, We are in agreement. In fact he is so BAD, he is just plain awful!!
This not Jazz. This is sound creation!
How many more assaults like this can my beloved music take and survive? Why don't they go pick on Rock?
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***** Christian Scott ****
Good player in need of a band. This band plays too loud. Over powers the leader / soloist. They also need a different wardrobe!!
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O-10:
The Playing for Change CD has music not found on the DVD. I find it easier to concentrate without the video. See it once, that's enough.
I was not kidding about the kids and the Rock CD. It is awesome.
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If it's Jazz and a Tuba, it must be New Orleans Jazz or Brass Band or Sousa or maybe zydeco. There is nothing else that will fit. The Tuba is not a swing/BeBop/hard bop, instrument. Try Olympia or Preservation Hall.
If it's a Tuba in a 'self proclaimed' Jazz group, then they are Noise makers or sound creators.
Next?
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Just a short break from the usual.
And the Winner is ???
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lmXi1y1fzs
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****Bob Stewart is a Professor at Julliard. He played Tuba with Mingus for a while. It may not be to your'e liking, but he is great.****
I did not question his musical ability. He knows his way around the Tuba, and if he teaches at Julliard, well, what else is there to say?
My point is this. The Tuba is just not a 'Jazz' instrument. Sure, some New Orleans groups and the brass bands use them, but that's about it. Anything else is a gimmick.
And I would bet there is not a musical instrument on planet earth that has not been a part of at least one Mingus recording date. I am sure I have heard Tuba on a Mingus record.
How many Saxophone players do you know with the ambition to play with a Classical Symphony Orchestra? Same problem that Jazz Tuba players have.
Even I find Dylan dated. Once the war in Viet Nam ended and the Civil rights violence subsided, he was finished. He was a niche performer. Loved his stuff back in the day. His was the first LP I ever purchased. Along with Baez and Saint-Marie.
And Jazz, like all great music, is not subject to a 'listen to by' date. It does not get old. I have an entire rack of Classical CDs. The music on these CDs was composed by people long dead. It ain't old.
I listened to 'Satch Plays Fats' today. WOW! Wanna hear Jazz trumpet? Listen to Pops. Just as current as when Waller wrote it.
Good one, about lady Gaga! Serves them right! hahahhah
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Blood Count:
One of the best things about this thread, is being introduced to music you don't have. The absolute best thing, is being reminded of great music you already own.
Will play it today. I will enjoy it much more now that I know the HISTORY behind it.
Good Call.
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Jazz Tuba in it's natural enviroment. Rebirth Brass Band thingy might be a little raw for you 'up-North' sophisticates :)
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lmx3rlucDQ
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well you shouldn't have got me started!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNSFZWMnomM
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*******As much as I love Johnny Hodges, it's Getz who embodies the song. *********
Without doubt, The most outrageous statement ever made on this thread.
I thank the OP, O-10, and The Frogman, for calling him on it.
All opinions do not deserve respect. This is one!
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I don't have anything by Wess as leader. I do have him on 'Basie at Newport' and 'April In Paris'. In fact he seems to be on all my Basie CDs.
Its always sad to lose these guys. Esp since their quality of musicianship won't be replaced.
If he reached 91, he must have lived a good and clean life, at least by Jazz standards. So many died so much younger. He looked like a true pro. Max substance, min show. Serious!
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The Frogman:
Do you appear on any CDs they we might listen to?
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The Frogman's post was as eloquent, logical and well reasoned as always.
If this was Physics, we would say it was 'beautiful'.
Lets get back to important stuff! I have a 'review' coming up! :) Calm down! I'll post it soon. You people never get enough!!
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****** You could argue that Getz is violating the intent of the composer. If he is, so be it.*******
If this is true, then how, pray tell, could he embody the intent of the tune at the same time.
I think this guy is an 'audiophile'. He should go back to the 'wire' and 'mine is better than your' arena.
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O-10:
Have not forgotten your youtubes. Will comment tomorrow. Was very busy today.
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O-10:
Harlem Nocturne -- Great Music and a greater photo! One of the most famous photos in jazz.
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O-10:
Eddie Harris - It's amazing how sensitive these guys can play. This was a great tune and light years from 'Swiss Movement'!
That's another reason Jazz is so much like classical music. Not only is it timeless, but can go from the Sublime to the outrageous, from one track to the next. Quite a range of emotions.
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The Frogman:
BTW, my doctors tell me I will hear Wire in time. They say the 'burn-in' time of a brain without frontal lobes is quite long.
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O-10:
Hank Crawford: Good clips. We are getting close to home now. This guy operated in Memphis, just up the road, highway 61, from my home.
I liked all the youtubes, but, 'Peepers' was my favorite. As much R&B as Jazz, and that's a good thing.
Seems as if he played with all the greats, B.B. King, Ray, Bobby Bland and Ike Turner etc.... I consider his stuff to be what they call 'soul Jazz', and that's a good thing also.
His music is easy to relate to, though not innovative. On 'Peepers" even Sanborn got in the groove. I think Crawford is quoted as saying,"if the audience ain't moving, you ain't playing". :) My kind of attitude.
I have just one CD by Crawford. A twofer on Collectables Jazz Classics; Mr Blues / Mr Blues Plays Lady Soul. Mostly R&B stuff.
I think there should be a seperate sub-set of Jazz for people like Crawford and Ray Charles and others that stayed and played in places other than NYC or LA. Stayed close to the source, both musically and geographically.
Thanks for the Post
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Speaking of Christian McBride, I just received this afternoon, the CD of The Christian McBride Trio -- OUT HERE
I hope it's as good as hyped!
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The Frogman:
Nice clip of Pastorius. It definitely had that 70's sound. Sort of brought to mind, Stax / Memphis Soul / Booker T / type sound.
I have several by Sanborn, mostly on LP. Herbie seems to be a Jack of All Trades. I have him playing 'HANDEL' of all people!
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I did a brilliant 'review' of the Bobby McFerrin CD 'Spirit you all" a while back.
Of course it was totally ignored by the Aficionado community.
It has been in my player everyday since.
Here is a youtube of my favorite cut. ' 25:15 '
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgV-xKe6vGE
The Cd is even better. No weak tracks and no filler.
Ain't got it? Better git it!
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Acman3:
As I said, I enjoyed the CD better than the video. Video can giveth, and video, can taketh away. It took away in this case.
See the talk on Milt and Hutcherson for an example of video helping..
Could have done without the screen in the background. Added nothing to the performance except to make it appear less serious.
"it is my unofficial biography" could you elaborate?
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The Frogman:
' Satin Doll '? Gene Harris' playing touched on the melody more than Wess'.
Your hint of 'Duke', gave it away. :)
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O-10:
There are worst places than Church in Mound Bayou.
The last time I went thru Mound Bayou, I was on my way to the Blues Museum in Clarksdale. Had lunch at Morgan Freeman's place. Nice museum.
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BTW O-10, Extremely nice clip of Milt and Wess. I just love that style of play.
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BTW,
There are two quotes in the liner sleeve of the 'Gershwin's World' CD. One by Gershwin, and one by Ellington.
The Gershwin quote is dead on!! Could not agree more. He nailed it. It might also explain the state of Jazz today. The nation's store of engery is winding down.
I had to cringe at the Ellington quote. Can a mere mortal disagree with The Duke?? Some people might take his statement too literal.
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Hey, don't blame me for this. They are playing this stuff on the local PBS station as I type. Some of this dancing is actually painful to watch! hahahahahah
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8yGGtVKrD8
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I thought maybe The O-10 could pick up some fashion pointers from this. Then he won't have to go around looking like Spike Jones.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlE-Zv4Pyhk
What do Beethoven's 5th, Ellington's Jeep Blues and Calloways's Minnie the Moocher all have in common? It will take a true Aficionado two seconds to answer this.
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*****BTW, speaking of Herbie and Orpheus Chamber Orchestra checkout Herbie's "Gershwin's World", absolutely beautiful record,******
I have it, and I agree.
I understand about the privacy thing. Esp on this place. Lousy with Barracudas.
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Even better!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orhf_Xv6HCA
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O-10:
Movie sets. All staged. But still, a nice illusion.
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The Frogman:
Youtr comments on Ellington are right on point. I knew that. He is more than a Jazz player or Band leader. Much more.
I just wanted to claim him for 'Our' own. 'Our,' being us Jazz lovers. Let the Classical and 'Tin Pan Alley' folks get their own Duke!
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O-10:
Great music clip. I love that sort of music.
If we go on a musical journey, I'm getting off in Brazil. I just love the sound of vocal Brazilian music, esp that sung by females.
Your narrative about African music in Cuba and Brazil, and the lack of African music in the U.S., is very interesting. I think I agree with most of what you said. A few things, I will have to 'ponder' and respond to later.
I disagree that slavery in this country was 'by far the cruelest'. History proves that it was not. And, slavery was not that bad, all things considered. It's not like, Work visas or tourtist visas, were an option. If the choice is Africa or America, I choose America.
My observation is, African American people have had the least contact with Africa, and have been influenced the least by Africa, of all black peoples. (thank you Jesus0. Since Afro-American music has influenced music world wide. That is telling.
I will try to make a contribution to this project, with full understanding of the risk of incurring the wrath of The Frogman when we get to Cuba. :)
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Acman3:
Both enjoyable clips. The Dollar Brand could just as easily been Masekela. But who doesn't like Masekela.
Jazz?? No. But I don't know if O-10's journey is about Jazz or just music.
The South African Jazz scene will mature once they get pass every tune having to involve native dress, dancing and Apartheid.
Nice Clips
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This was my 'signature' tune when I played Trumpet in my High School Band. Talk about being in 'Tall Cotton'!! :)
Miles Who??
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCa8b4CgZeI
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WOW!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCa8b4CgZeI
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Gentlemen, Gentlemen,
Let's not move so fast of this 'African" stuff. It's not as simple as you are making out.
The most important and significant thing said so far, is that there is no African, in African-American music. It is unquely American. This includes Jazz.
Cultural forces don't move that fast. More like glaciers. The only possible African influence would have been from people arriving here directly from Africa during the slave trade. Importation of slaves into this country ended in 1810, if I recall correctly.
Once here, the influences were Euro-American. Primarily music inspired by The King James version of the Holy Bible.
Please don't make me have to fight off VooDoo!!! And to think, someone once chastised me for saying you have to DEFEND the music! :)
And finally, O-10, this drum nonsense, is just that.
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Is this about Jazz or Just music in general? My comments were made thinking it was about Jazz.
As far as the Music part of this slavery stuff, there are many things to consider, such as:
And this applies to Brazil, Cuba and the USA.
Dominate Religion, Form of Government, Geographical location, climate, size of country, what was the economy based on, population size and ethnicity, and Political status of the area.
all of these things will shape the people, their relationships with each other and the art the create.
Folks in the USA had musical instruments to play. Violins (fiddles), guitars, pianos etc... Fife and Drum units were very big in North Mississippi. Maybe the folks in Cuba, and esp Brazil, only had drums (logs?) to beat.
The relationship between slaves and whites in the US was much different than those relationships in Brazil or Cuba. This fact shaped everything!
I could go on, but you get my point.
BTW, there are more black folks in Brazil than any other country except Nigeria. If you go to Brazil during 'Carnival', you will see them. Any other time, maybe not.
The Spanish came to the New World Looking for Gold. The English came looking for God. That explains a lot.
You may be trying to merge apples with oranges.
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The Frogman:
*****There IS African in American music; but, there is no such thing as "African-American" music. It is uniquely American.****
My Response is "Numbers Count". So, while your statement is true, it is not true for real. As in, it does not reflect reality. I also charge you with using Jedi word tricks! :)
I just knew you and our distinquished OP would renew your efforts to internationalize 'MY' music. Help me Jesus!
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