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It's an honor to participate on a jazz thread with such astute aficionados.*****
Can't stop laughing. I will be smiling all day. Thanks OP.
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Is there a consensus on recordings by Rudy Van Gelder?*****
I will defer to the more audiophile leaning aficionados on this question. I am somewhat of an anti-audiophile person, and I always, if given the option, will purchase the van Gelder editions.
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Legitimate:
4 : conforming to recognized principles or accepted rules and standards
Webster
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Diane Schuur:
Very good singer, however, all her albums suffer from the same thing, non-Jazz cover art / photo. It does not draw you in the way the Blue Note / Impulse covers do.
Nice clip.
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Btw, there is no such thing as a 'legtimate' drug addict, in the sense that you meant it. Drugs mean death, destruction, depravity and degradation. Drugs solve NO problems.
There is no up side. Look at the inner cities.
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Audiophile:
a person who is enthusiastic about high-fidelity sound reproduction.
(webster).
Music has nothing to do with it. CD players are just too simple. Insert disc, hear music. Minimum involvement. Nothing to ’fiddle’ with.
On a Steve Guttenberg episode, an audiophile ’admitted’ that he was interested in sound, not music. He said his wife liked music. Steve said, "you are the first to admit it".
Some just like the gadgets. Once I understood this, all became clear.
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Nancy Wilson: Sorry, I overlooked these gems. Fab - u - lous!! In her niche, she is better than anyone who ever was. I have the Cannonball CD. She is also good looking and kept her figure and weight. Another one I lusted over back in the day. My favorite by her is, "Guess Who I Saw Today". Now that is what I call sophisticated music / Jazz. Well written, you have to listen to the lyrics, you have to have lived a little in order to understand the song, and the bands are always top notch. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFbDj5RBouE In a word, New York. So it’s not a bad word, just a statement of fact. Now, it could be the New York that Hollywood has instilled in us all, but New York nevertheless. Imagine Etta James or Millie Jackson, doing "Guess who I saw Today". They would have shot the boy in the first verse! Song over. Excellent Clips. But sad in way. Jazz has lost so much over the years. Cheers Btw, Nancy is one of the few I have seen live. At Constitution Hall in D.C., back in the 70s. |
Today’s Listen: Sonny Stitt -- THE LAST SESSIONS VOLS ONE AND TWO Excellent notes and booklet. "Drummer Kenny Clarke is reported to have said that "If there had never been a Bird there would have been a Sonny Stitt." And then there is the story about Charlie Parker meeting Sonny Stitt shortly before Parker’s death in 1955 and telling him, "Man, I’m handing you the keys to the kingdom." Stitt died of cancer on July 22, 1982. He was 58 years old. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rnG9xxLIcw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQrCsydZed8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32uI-Uxw6jw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6K8_vrBO7qw Sonny plays both Alto and Tenor throughout. This is a single CD. The notes mention "bye bye Blackbird" but it does not appear on the disc. I think they tried to put two CDs on to one disc. Cheers Btw, That ’drug’, called nicotine, killed it’s fair share of people back in the day. |
When you consider what happens to the sound wave once it leaves the musical instrument, the question becomes, what are you trying to recreate?
None, of it sounds ’live’, and none of it sounds like what went into the mics / mixing boards, so, what is all this about.
The most you can hope for is a system that sounds like a good recording of a musical event. No noise, no distortion and decent dynamic range and freq response. That’s all there is folks. ANY CD player does that.
Golden ears???? Do you know how many people are killed each year because they could not hear a train coming. Human senses, compared to other animals, suck. All we have is a brain, which most refuse to use.
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Peter Aczel, the Ayn Rand of audio. Read him.
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Your guru is correct. You, as a defender of 'the people' should be aware that for every item made, there will soon be the models for, just folks, and then the models for the 'elites'. As sure as night follows day.
But, the audio scene is changing, albeit slowly. More and more moderately price gear is being reviewed favorably. A handful of folks buying uber expensive gear, cannot keep this industry afloat.
Without change, soon your amp choices will be, junk at some big box store, or Pass Labs. Nothing in between. Which is another reason I have so much 2-channel stuff.
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OP,
Mine are CD 5004, CD 6005 and SA 8001. The SA8001 is 14 years old. When it dies, will replace it with a Yamaha. Some one at Marantz decided that their latest 1000 dollar range player would not play SACD.
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I have three systems in one rack. I have three Marantz CD players. One cost 350, one 500 and one SACD at 900 dollars. I also have a Onkyo SACD player at 369, and an Oppo SACD player at 500.
I have all this connected to three amps. I play each ’system’ for a week or so at a time, then change to the next one for a week or so.
All play thru the same speakers.
What differences do I hear between the different amps and players?
No difference at all. Between CDs, yes, there is a difference. Between SACD and redbook.
Timbre is the most important thing.
All forms of noise and distortion were defeated long ago. Including the ones the marketing guys made up.
In classical, there is a slight difference between different Orchestras. Bigger differences between conductors.
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Btw, DACs are the new wire, or bricks, or cable lifters, or directional fuses etc......... Spare me Indeed!!
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No OP, I do not have that. My computer and stereo system are completely separate. No connection at all. No need, since they are in the same room.
Apparently you are more advanced than I am. I am not even sure what 'streaming' is. I have a sound card in my computer and Logitech Z-623 speakers. The speakers are awesome. The only computer music I listen to are the music clips submitted on aficionados, and rarely, CDs played in the computer drive.
My rig is as basic as it gets.
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When discussing audio gear, I always think of a photo I once saw of the group, Lambert, Hendricks & Ross. They were sitting on folding chairs, apparently at rehearsal, between them, on the floor, was a plastic record player playing a LP. They were listening very intently.
I often wondered about what they were listening to / for. If they could hear / get what they needed from that, then my Thorens / SME was just fine.
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Surprised that you are not raking the reviewer over the coals for daring to say anything negative about icons like Duke and Ella.
Actually my first post was just as you stated, almost word for word, but a little more 'explicit'. Closed the window by mistake and had to write it again. Thought about the Regulators / moderators and thought I'd better play it safe. Thanks for your insight into the performance. Cheers |
No matter what, referring to some players as 'sidemen', seems downright 'incredulous'. As the OP might say.
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The voice is absolutely great but the emotion...where is the feeling?
showing feelings is considered bad form in some circles, like her targeted audience for instance.. Mary Jo, if you will notice, she did raise her voice a little on 'Save your love for me', that's considered raw emotion among the Jazz elites of NYC. Cheers |
Now I understand better the difference between New York- ish and Mississippi-ish.
The Queen get's it, as do all true Jazz Aficionados. Cheers |
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@frogman
Upon careful relistening, I hear your point.
Thanks
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My first 'analog' was a floor console that had a record platter in the top. Had a tone arm, the head portion which could be positioned at a 90 degree angle to changes the needle / nail. My records were 78rpm disc taken from local Juke joint's Seeburg Jukeboxes.
Groups were blues, and folks like the Orioles, the Cardinals and the Ink Spots. Those were the days.
Now you know why I love CDs.
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Today's Listen: John Coltrane -- LUSH LIFE See, he wasn't always lost in Andromeda. A Rudy Van Gelder engineered production on Prestige Records. The cover does not mention this, guess that came later with Blue Note. from the you-tube screen: "Lush Life contains Coltrane’s first recordings as sole leader, his initial date fronting a pianoless trio, and one of his first extended readings of a ballad, Billy Strayhorn’s resplendent title track. We also hear him at the helm of a quartet and quintet, featuring pianist Red Garland, with trumpeter Donald Byrd added to “Lush Life.” Coltrane and jazz would never be the same!"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccHkX_M9ajQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFj8cfYEt8k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyGMu62BYCU
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Today’s Listen: John Coltrane -- NEWPORT ’63 Excellent Notes by Francis Davis. The notes alone are worth the price of the CD. Good details about Coltrane and the sidemen. Amazing how much just pure chance plays in Jazz. Being late for work can change the lineup of some of the greatest Jazz recordings. How Coltrane was very impressed by Cannonball’s ’Jive Samba’, and said he wanted to do something ’for the people’, hence, ’Favorite Things’, ’Chim Chim Cheree’, ’Greensleeves’ etc........ If these were for ’the people’, who was the rest his output for? :) The good folks in the Orion Nebula? Speaking of moving on, contrast this to the original 1960 version of ’Favorite Things’. Even McCoy is breaking out. As the notes state, "Coltrane was constitutionally incapable of just going through the motions". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBCPCok5l_s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMQN-nYOqvk on the CD, but from a 1961 date at the Village Vanguard. Roy Haynes and Eric Dolphy on this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6mwzSYevU8 Cheers |
Cassandra Wilson:
She is hard to classify. I have a few of her CDs but don't think of her as a Jazz artist. She is not a Blues artist either. If she still lives in Jackson, that might be the problem. Better get herself to NYC. :(
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OP,
Wise One and Spiritual:
Spiritual was just that, spiritual. Loved them both. Had he lived longer, I think he would have become a solo act. Do you ever get the feeling that he thought the group was holding him back? On 'lush life', three of the tunes were just Coltrane, bass and drums. No piano.
Why did he always have Tyner as his piano player. Was it because he thought Tyner best continued his ideals during the piano solos? Was this the same with Monk and Rouse? Or any other well known combination.
If you just concentrate on the late, late stuff, you miss the fact that he was a / the great / greatest Saxophone player.
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a 14 year old stabbed that young lady in NYC multiple times.****
I have the solution, but it's draconian.
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OP,
Differences in Audio Amps:
Ran across a cartoon, but can't get it to this thread:
Two bums / homeless guys laying on the street between trash containers. One says to the other, "once I had a family, a good job, owned my own home, then one day I discovered I could hear differences among audio components." Take heed.
Have you ever noticed the type music used to demonstrate this ultra high end stuff?? Always some soundscape stuff, or an over age hippie strumming on a guitar. Why don't they use real music.??
Because they are into sounds, not music. Otherwise they would use Beethoven or Mingus or The Stones etc..... Hog Calling Blues???
With Mingus, Kirk and Dolphy going crazy, you gonna pick one amp over another? I think not.
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The Frogman:
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I think that you would be surprised at how much more music you might hear with a good amp driving your Polks.*****
You got my attention with the mention of Timbre. What would you consider a good amp? I'm in a buying mood, ordered headphones today.
Expression:
This would not considered 'accessible' Coltrane, but as I listened I wondered if the 'fault' was Coltrane or his group. I tired to block out the group (impossible), but any confused or disjointed playing seem to be coming from them, and not Coltrane.
Comments.
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Have you tried the Oppo directly into the M-60?*****
I will try the oppo & yamaha.. What do you think of Parasound? Would that be an upgrade from what I have now?
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***** What amps are you using now?*****
Harman kardon HK 3490 and Marantz PM 7200. I have a Yamaha M-60 that has been in the closet for a long time.
Keep in mind that I am not a member of the ’mega yacht’ crowd.
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Miles vs Cannonball:
Does the 'Music Business' enter into this talk of whose album is it?
i.e. Legal requirements or personal commitments to appear on sessions? Whose name goes on the top etc... This happens a lot in Hollywood, or used to.
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The Frogman,
I will take it out on the patio before I turn it on. :) Just in case there is smoke and sparks. I did fire it up several years ago and everything worked perfectly. Even the meters. It was built before the throw away society was in full swing. I think I got this in the mid-80s.
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Sorry but this also raises the question; how old are your HK and Marantz amps? If either is 10 or more years then even though they work they may not be up to their designed performance.*****
OP, you just condemned my entire system to the scrap heap. Amps are 15, 10 and 8 years old. CD players are 14, 10, 8, 6 and 5 years old. Guess I need to do a complete overhaul.
In spite of the obscene prices on the so-called high-end stuff, very good audio equipment has never been more affordable.
I am aware of the problem with Caps. Restoring? The HK amps only cost 299 new. Maybe the local schools could use them.
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Today’s Listen: John Coltrane -- AFRO BLUE IMPRESSIONS 2CD set. Total of 9 tunes. Recorded in Sweden and during a European tour in 1963. Before you say you have heard these before, trust me, only the titles have remained the same. Sort of like albums by Monk. Notes: Some of the more interesting I have ever read. ".....Historians will certainly see Coltrane as a musician who, having inherited the vast new harmonic territories bequeathed by Charlie Parker, sought to consolidate those gains and build on them. The problem was to know how to build upon them, for Parker, in opening the way for the incorporation into Jazz of an all-embracing harmonic system, had, like a westering pioneer too successful for his own eventual good, reached the sea; after Parker, where else could an experimenter wander without without violating the bounds of formal logic altogether?" --- Benny Green Goes on to say that in this album, that is the question Coltrane is constantly asking himself. Coltrane died shortly after these recordings were made. I think he was trying to break out of Jazz. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8NP9-52ZyY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u10gOGu9jbk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAWRw-tdsII https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmqUon9ofSs Cheers "reached the Sea" I Love that. This guy knows Jazz and can write also. |
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Rok, for a tube preamp, I recommend a CJ PV-10;*****
After thinking about things, I realized that my stuff is not as old as it seems. The amps have only been played 1/3 of the time. However, my 14 year old Marantz SACD player is making loud grinding noises when turned on. Then displays the message "Cannot play". It eventually does, but these are red flags.
Questions to the OP:
What, if any, is the down side of replacing the Marantz with a Yamaha Blu-Ray (Yamaha Aventage BD-A1060) player for half the money. It plays SACDs also.
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OP,
Well you are certainly an expert on ancient audio technology. Now tell me what you know about headphone amps. Do I need one? I plug into the headphone jack on the receiver, which defeats the speaker output. The amp's volume knob controls the volume of the headphones. I don't think a headphone amp would do me any good. Correct?
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honest question: what exactly are you trying to accomplish with a possible foray into audiophilia; or, at least, some new gear? Functionality or sound concerns, or curiosity? *****
Honest Answer: Probably Curiosity. Can all these 'audiophiles' be wrong?? I suspect they can be. I just have the itch to get something new. If the prices weren't so ridiculous, I would have a long time ago. Also, basic 2-channel amps without all the digital, wi-fi, streaming, video etc.... stuff, I will never use, are becoming harder to find.
I was taught that Tubes are high in distortion and start to degrade the moment you fire them up for the first time. I know that LPs mean clicks and pops and are slowly destroyed the more you play them. But these two things are what the high end goes ga-ga over. Go Figure.
Another option I have is to use the HKs as pre-amps with some monster from Emotiva. That might make the most sense.
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and as soon as I have excess funds, I will purchase some of them.*****
As good an argument for solid state as I have heard. :)
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Thanks Frogman. Concise and precise as always. Just like a good Jazz solo.
I hope all Aficionados both here and abroad had a safe and Merry Christmas.
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If you're happy with the way things sound now, you don't need one.*****
big_greg
Thanks for your input. My thought process was this: If you have a CD player with a headphone Jack, most often there will be a headphone volume control next to the jack. This tells me that there is a headphone amp built in. I can readily see how a more powerful external amp might improve things. My receiver has a headphone jack that kills output to the speakers when a headphone plug is inserted. There is no volume knob specifically for the headphones. The the receiver's volume knob, controls the volume of the headphones. To me this means the receiver's power output or part of it is powering the headphone jack. The receiver is rated at 120wpc into 8 ohms. Would a headphone amp even be applicable or needed in this configuration? I am not an audiophile so please overlook any ignorance in the question. Thanks Cheers |
Sentimental Mood:
For a man who spent so much time in the Stellar Regions, he blew an awesome ballad.
Seems as if the drummer was out of it. Maybe it was the recording.
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Thanks to everyone for all the input on headphone amps and power amps.
I don't think I need a headphone amp. I only use headphones to listen to the main rig, never to computers or mobile devices. They seem to be more than adequately powered by the receivers and integrated.
Thanks
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Btw, got my Sennheiser HD 660s today.
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