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***** I’ll never know why Kind of Blue gets all the credit.***** I imagine because it has good tunes and is laid back. Accessible?? A term I hate when applied to Jazz. Also, the album has a great line up of players. I guess it struck a chord with the opinion makers. I wouldn’t know where to start in naming the best Jazz record. It does not exist. Different takes on two tunes from KOB. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TiceSi25xJA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3-wvcStsoo Cheers |
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Deprived people become depraved people. Now we're maybe talking about 3rd generation deprived, who are living in the midst of like minded people. They're concept of life is beyond my comprehension******
Thus Saith The OP. 1000% correct.
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you will have to wait in a long line for your "Mega Yacht"*****
I ordered my mega yacht from China. I do not stand in lines. They wanted to know how many oars did I want with the boat. I think what we have here, is a failure to communicate.
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Cora Lee Day & Debby Moore:
You can get both of these albums on the same CD at Amazon. One of the first things I look for, with artists that are not known to me, is the label, and supporting personnel. Speaks volumes.
Cora Lee -- didn't like her diction. Strange pronunciation of some words.
Debby Moore -- Much more interesting singer. Much better backing.
The label of the CD on Amazon is called 'Best Voices Time Forgot'. Ouch!
No reviews so far. The Frogman's first law still stands.
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Betty Carter: Some performers are just too sophisticated for these country ears. Perfect example of New York-ish. Nancy Wilson, although a stone fox, was another one. More Mississippi-ish
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXdC5D2PqoU
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Good info on the inner workings of the Band at Lincoln Center. Puts everything in a different light. Wynton is betting on the potential.
Maybe his greatest contribution to Jazz is, teaching, encouraging and helping the young.
Where would we be without him.
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We can all use a laugh(cry?) these days. Results of the 1964 Grammy awards.
Gospel[edit]Jazz[edit]Cheers
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I do not want to hear nor Billie, nor Ella, nor Julie, etc., etc., in anybody's voice . I can assure you, you will not hear Ella or Sarah or Billie or Dee Dee in anyone's voice. As hard as they may try. Cheers |
questo è solo per Mary Jo
che cosa?
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Today's Listen: Freddie Redd Quartet -- THE MUSIC FROM THE CONNECTION with Jackie McLean. Music composed by Freddie Redd. I don't think I have ever heard this much Jackie McLean. This music was written by Redd for a play by Jack Gelber called "the Connection". It's about musician drug addicts. The play takes place in a room where the junkies are waiting for their 'connection', i.e. drug connection, named 'cowboy', to show up with the heroin. The musicians playing here are actors in the play also. Along with real actors. Nothing about this music says 'drug addiction' to me, but I have not seen the play. If it can be ferreted out, the OP can / will do it. Good Jazz nevertheless.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGTJFH1JLXo
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Yes I Can. It's that academic crowd. I think they are finally even getting to Wynton. He no longer sounds like he is from New Orleans. Sad.
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Idle Moments:
Outstanding title track. This should be up there in 'KOB' and 'Somethin' Else' Territory. It just 'sounds' like playing a sax softly is a difficult thing to do.
The time length situation reminded me of the Emperor telling Mozart his Opera was great, just too many notes. But given the time constraints of the LP, it's understandable.
I am listening to the CD version. It has enough room for the alternate takes of both 'Django' and 'Jean De Fleur'.
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Bobby Hutcherson deserves special mention.
Loved Django.
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Weren’t you the one who expressed dislike for Mose Allison a year or more ago? If so, considering his origins, how does that mesh? I am not sure, but I don’t dislike Allison. I have paid real money for his CDs. He was OK back in the days of protest, when there was actually real things to protest. I have him on the shelf next to Dylan, Baez and Saint Marie. Not my goto guy for Jazz. However, Mississippi punches way above it’s weight when it comes to producing musicians. In all genres. Cheers |
Abstract Truth:
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Not the best albums ever,*****
I agree with "the best" of anything being almost impossible to determine, but this album is as good as any.
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Music is the universal language, in that everyone hears music and likes / dislikes it, and understands what's being said, the problem is, are we all understanding the same thing. We don't have to, for it to be universal. The emotional response is what makes it universal.
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We would have to be clones and have had exactly the same life experiences to get the same thing from every piece of music.
How depressing is that.
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The Grammys, if you want to attach any kind of general sensibility to it, is an LA thing.
The Ceremony is held in LA. The voting and corruption is done by some outfit called the Recording Academy. The head of it was just fired for corruption. Surely NY is involved.
extremely flawed comment. If you can’t hear the obvious influence of Billie, Ella or Sarah on singer like Thurman; IOW, how much they sound like those great singers then I suggest.....oh, never mind, you think all amps sound the same 😊
hearing some so-called influence, or more accurately, some attempt to copy or imitate the greats, is not the same as 'hearing them'. All amps, with the usual blah blah blah, do sound the same. A guy in Italy has put his money where his belief is. One million U.S., to anyone who can demonstrate they can hear a difference. Money is still on table. Been there for decades. Hell, you could buy 20 ft of cable, or a Pass Lab amp, with that kind of money.
WIKI--- Are Grammys rigged? The suspended chief executive of the organization behind the Grammy Awards claims the nominating process for the music industry ceremony is "rigged" and clouded by conflicts of interest. ... Dugan denied that description of her roughly five months as chief executive, telling NBC News: "I was not abusive."Jan 23, 2020
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I remember having the LP "The Revolution will not be Televised" in my hands at a Sound Warehouse store in Austin, weighing whether to buy it or not. I don't have it, so I guess I bought something else instead. He didn't look like my idea of a Jazz player.
But, the clips you posted I like, proving, you can't, and shouldn't try, to judge a book by it's cover.
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OP,
You were right about the deleter in chief. They delete the post that I copied from another post. That original post still stands.
Makes you wonder what is the point in posting, if the censors in the politburo have the last word.
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Jerome Jennings:
Possibly the most inspiring and hopeful clips posted on this thread. I googled him and saw the clip ’The Beast’, mostly talk by the band members including Christian McBride. McBride is another serious musician.
They seem serious and are actually playing Jazz. I hope they are successful in the Jazz arena. I know I will buy their stuff.
If I purchased one of their albums, they would be the youngest players in my collection. Nice to buy music by people still living.
Thanks.
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Btw, acman3 always finds the good stuff. I still listen to "I only have eyes for you" by Lester Bowie several times each week. |
Lester Bowie:
It's no longer on you-tube, at least I can't find it, except for the live version, which is no where near as good as the CD.
You can hear bits on 'All Music', but not the entire track.
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***** No way can you even put marijuana and heroin in the same sentence,*****
You can in the sense that, one leads to the other. Countries that legalize weed, primarily for the tax revenue, are destroying their future, and the lives of future generations. Shows how degenerate the world is becoming, esp in the West. It’s disgraceful.
I think it was Lenin who said, "the West will sell us the rope that we hang them with." Money rules.
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Once again The Frogman has enlightened us with a professional's perspective on Jazz, and, more importantly, the life of Jazz musicians. We get a glimpse into the world of the professional Jazz musician. Like most things, there is a dark or less pleasant side.
Excellent Post.
Thanks
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When I was in middle school, the rumor among us ’hipsters' was that Ray Charles smoked ’reefers’, with no clue as to what a ’reefer’ was. We also ’knew’ that Louis Armstrong had ’dope’ in his ever present handkerchief. Lord, Lord, we were pathetic.
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One does not lead to the other *****
For many it will. And most of that many will be the ones that can least afford it, finance or social wise. Guess I better go rob / mug somebody.
Just another thing for young folks to deal with, as if their lives aren’t tough enough already.
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Today’s Listen: Ella Fitzgerald and Duke Ellington -- ELLA AT DUKE’S PLACE Recorded in 1965. CD reissue in 1996. Reissue notes by Keith Shadwick. Mr Shadwick made the following critical comments about the recording. "on the up-tempo selections such as "Duke’s Place" and "CottonTail" there is an uncharacteristically awkward straining for effect from Fitzgerald. In fact "CottonTail", the album’s closer, finds the band unable to settle into a smooth delivery of its section work due to an improbably fast rhythm from the bass and drums." Judge for yourselves. azure https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tc9F5pa9IQQ duke's place https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ol-AvCEdRQw cottontail https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HL2xvS_nUTs passion flower https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZSiE8ePfHw One of the best things about albums like this, when the sax or trumpet is playing, you know who is doing the playing. Cheers The notes also mention the DOWNBEAT reader’s poll for 1966, the year of the release. "Ellington won in the big band category by polling more than twice as many votes as Count Basie, who was No. 2, and in the composer category by four times as many votes as the runner-up there, Thelonious Monk. Fitzgerald of course, won the female vocal vote comfortably over Nancy Wilson and Carmen McRae, with Nina Simone a distant fourth." Where’s Sassy? We always give reader’s poll all the respect they deserve.. |
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New York-ish -- When a Jazz and Broadway Ballad singer can get the award for Best R&B Recording, and, on the Capitol Label to boot. I bet that surprised the heck out of the guys at Capitol. The votes , so they say, came from her peers, fellow musicians, most of whom would be in NYC and LA(same thing just more to the West).
Great, but not representative of the music scene of NY “at its best“; certainly not exclusively so.
And exactly what music scene in NY outshines JALC? As long as Wynton keeps the noise makers at bay, Jazz lives!
Unless, of course, for someone for whom “the best” only existed in the past.
Depend on the subject at hand. The best computers are the ones being made today. The best cameras. The best cars. All tech. The Arts, that is a different question. Just think about it. All the best was / is, in the past, for all genres in music. The musical tech is better, the gear is better, the speakers are better, BUT the performers? Not so much. Michelangelo, Rembrandt, Monet, Picasso, Bach, Mozart, Beethoven, Armstrong, Ellington, Miles, Coltrane, Mingus, Basie and the many many many more. All long dead. All still the best at their craft. Today, we have paint splattered on canvases, Pictures of Soup cans, and non-musical noise makers. The Emperor and his new outfits are back with us.
And, to use 1964 Grammy’s as an example?! 1964?! The thick of the civil rights movement and all its implications?!
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**** Monk and Miles got into it about something, and Monk walked.***
Although Monk is listed on the front cover of the album, his name is not among the player personnel on the back of the album. Silver is listed as the only piano player.
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here is another singer that perhaps did not get much attention, aldo she sang with the Duke
I have a CD, "EBONY RHAPSODY The Great Duke Ellington Vocalists". On it, Joya Sherrill sings "It don't mean a thing" and "I'm beginning to see the light". Very nice singer. Apparently, just not having major faults is not enough. You gotta have that certain 'something'. The vast majority of Ellington's singers were male. I read somewhere, that big band members did not like singers. Took the spotlight away from them I guess. They must have hated Sarah and Ella. I see they used a picture of my 'system' on the LUSH LIFE clip. That's where I do my 'critical' listening. I need a new needle. Cheers |
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