Jazz for aficionados
Orpheus,if you are reading this, just give us 'proof of life'...hope you are ok Wynton Kelly’s, ’recent’ album, unissued until recently...from Boston... https://youtu.be/IxL8_YAjRrk |
Frogman, great recordings. There is one other allbum with rerording that is ’rediscoverd’ that I have posted here,not so long ago, with both W. Kelly and W.Montgmery, in case you have missed it. ’Smokin’ in Seattle’ from 1965. https://youtu.be/Msz2RO-mwq8 Ghosthouse, here are two albums that Herbie Mann recorded with Bobby Jaspar, I like them both ’Flute Souffle’ from 1957. https://youtu.be/o7LwCm0iXR4 ’Flute flight’ also from that year, little bit different line up https://youtu.be/l_baETClbqA ...and perhaps, something very different, Herbie Mann with Bill Evans ’Nirvana’ from 1961. https://youtu.be/Fjab84IfpR8 |
Often I find music that Acman posts quite fascinating,in sence that most of the time I have never heard of (its not a shame to not know something,but its a shame to remain in ignorance) bands or players that he likes. Even if I do not like it sometimes, I very much appreciate the different flow of mind,or feeling that leads him to listen or discover such music. It also helps me to undersatnd that my perspective about the 'good' music is 'right' just for me. Its very interesting to discover such a vast field of unknown, aldo I must admit that often I choose to stay in my 'comfort zone' (as Frogman would say). Its a subject to think about, exactly from which point of our minds or souls our 'tastes' are coming from... Rok, this should have be your 'title' song... The Skatalites 'The Rock Fort Rock' https://youtu.be/6bLVdKbPHHY |
Orpheus, you can always send me the mail, but, you should not be so bittter about the things you can not change... https://youtu.be/tGTM2s9hfBU |
It looks like posts here are often 'missing in action' and not just if are regarded as ones with political stand, but also if they are beer invitations? Acman, anyway, thanks for that, how about a shot as well? https://youtu.be/f4SYEfdm90g Orpheus, I dont mind you writing about the stuff that are laying on your chest, I guess everyone could write something of a sort. Can we do something to change things for better, as individuals, I am not sure... 'Hanging on in quiet desperation is the English way'.... |
Pryso here is an album of Joe Jackson that you may like. Its called 'Jumpin Jive' and it is made of famous covers...jazz,swing and jump blues music...from 1981. https://youtu.be/HjioNleJ3cI https://youtu.be/q_scNPUGcDs https://youtu.be/g-l1eiu47_A by the way, Jackson says, for himself, that he is classically trained musician who always played pop music and quite a few jazz gigs...soon he realized that never he would become jazz musician, but he managed to fake it pretty well... |
Taj Mahal in 1968: "Some people think you have to be Blind Lester Crawdad and come up the river from New Orleans and into Chicago to cut two sides, the Man hears it, says 'Pretty good, give us the publishing and we'll see what we can do!' – they think you have to go through that to play good blues. But, you know, it's not indigenous to a time or place, the music is indigenous to the people. Now, I could play a tune just exactly like Robert Johnson, but what would be the point of that?
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On subject on melancholy and Cannonbal... Cannonball with Bill Evans...’Know what I mean’ from 1962. https://youtu.be/dt9XmhLfG4E https://youtu.be/KmFfy56nSzY Aldo, my first thought about ’melancholic sax player’ is Paul Desmond... Could I imagine him playing on KOB? Interesting question...but if I should choose, I would say Stan Getz could do it |
Stan Getz always seemed tome as a player who could play 'gentle' and 'hard', even at the same time... Frogman can say more about it, but to me he looks like he had great command of his instrument and (or) great 'ear' musically as well as imagination. from album with one time only line up ,Dynasty' from 1971. https://youtu.be/MWcRtztr35A |
Nsp,its Wynton Kelly on 'Autumn leaves' Great pair of clips, Frogman, thanks, it was discovery to me. Interesting, I was just listening 'Autumn leaves' at home, but in this version. https://youtu.be/jGgAjdK1bHA https://youtu.be/9prWYPwahUI It is from Curtis Fuller album 'South American Cookin' from 1961. with Zoot Simms, T.Flanagan, D.Bailey and J.Merrit Have we speak about Simms ? Like his playing very much...and as we have mentioned Getz before, read somewhere that on one occasion Simms was asked about his opinion of Getz, said, that 'Stan is a great bunch of guys'... |
Pjw, ...'No reason to get excited The thief he kindly spoke There are many here among us Who feel that life is but a joke '... 'When Jazz ruled the world' article https://www.udiscovermusic.com/in-depth-features/when-jazz-ruled-the-world/?utm_source=ka&utm_me... |
Blame it on my youth, but I have just to say, that biggest difference between 'old' and 'new' jazz, for me, its not in the skills or creativity that 'new' jazz generation has, but in the 'sound'. For what reason, it seems to me that I could tell, even if they would play note on note, what is 'new' and what is'old' sound. Do I need to tell how much I prefer the 'old' one? |
Imho, of course, art does not reflects society. Art (or should say artists ) interprets society, or some brief moments within. Historically that is even more evident, as art was not available for masses, nor it was enjoyed by them. Even today, with much higher percentage of educated people and wide world spread media, art is a rare form. |
Psw, we have mentioned Jimmy Forrest, as well as Donald Byrd... We are jumping all over the themes, so will use the opportunity to post couple albums that I have bought and listened lately, all west coast jazz Bill Perkins & Richie Kamuca, 'Tenors head on' from 1956. https://youtu.be/nCfxZPbOmZE https://youtu.be/zovWsLwtwPc https://youtu.be/kzgsOKpivZQ Shorty Rogers Quintet 'Wherever the wind blow' from 1956. https://youtu.be/et821o3OsP8 https://youtu.be/HcvphpzHAJE Don Bagley 'Jazz on the rocks' from 1958. https://youtu.be/cMZ6w0DBOLs https://youtu.be/US9kB467GDY |
T Bone Walker-’Very Rare’ album, 1973. Tenor Saxophone: David "Fathead" Newman Trumpet: Dizzy Gillespie Additional Flute: Herbie Mann Guitar, Vocals: T. Bone Walker https://youtu.be/UyfgIUnfB_w https://youtu.be/e7kqe269XPk writers:Otis,Leiber,Stoller ..on more jazzy side, some west coast music...listening right now Curtis Amy ’Tippin on Through’ live at the Lighthouse, 1962. https://youtu.be/FR-kVqXVzcQ https://youtu.be/r0-MFrE2BHY https://youtu.be/d9-UAckfd2M lockdown or not.. https://youtu.be/Z9EbR0ckb40 https://youtu.be/_lJqBsrShys |
Acman, thanks, glad you like it. When it comes to music sources, I am kind of old fashioned, like to hold my albums in the hand. Not using pc audio of any kind, but I am aware that due to limited size of market for jazz, there is possibility that some music will never again be reissued on physical medium, which is pity. One more from west coast, available on cd...(I might posted it before) Bud Shank and Bob Cooper 'Blowin Country' from 1958. https://youtu.be/FHq5XfHzEmo https://youtu.be/yTk6NRSEQRw |
Nsp, Leo Wright, with Kenny Burrell, ’Suddenly the Blues’ album (posted) https://youtu.be/tM_m_tVdGi4 Blue Mitchell ’Out of the blue’ https://youtu.be/cPilE8TeGu4 Benny Golson and the Philadelphinas, same thing, but with Lee Morgan https://youtu.be/rqWiMFqzQ9U Golson’s album predates Mitchell’s....were posted before also |
Nsp, re Parker, nice post, nothing more should be said about it. As for West Coast jazz clips, glad you like it ,I do too, posted many albums of ’that side’. Sometimes I am reluctant to post something again, aldo we are doing it quite often here, as I have tried to post some artists or albums that are not so well known, despite Frogman’s opinion that there is rightful reason for their obscurity (not taking that against him,ha,ha) . Here is another sax player from west coast, who played with many famous artist, but perhaps because he left the States early was not so remembered. Its Herb Geller, here on album ’Stax of sax’ https://youtu.be/G01u7IszpHU https://youtu.be/2MQnysiQoKc https://youtu.be/3iWt-oltLmQ Incidentally, he plays along Victor Feldman, british piano, vibe and drumm player, who played with Shelly Manne (as y have mentined him) on series of his live albums from Black Hawk. Feldman also played with Cannonball sextet, as well as on his solo albums and some of them are quite good. I even believe Feldman was not mentioned before. Some of his solo work... ’The arrrival of V.F’ from 1958.with Scott La Faro and Stan Levey https://youtu.be/bZa13z0vac0 https://youtu.be/LvZQJtaWivY ’Merry olde soul’ from 1960/61. https://youtu.be/oqX3Fx4Pjz4 |
I have posed before the Green, Burrell, Kessel concert from 1969, from french tv. Tonight I have stumbled on concert of Grant Green trio, it seems from the same occasion. So rare to see him play live. Great stuff https://youtu.be/OdFYaK_nUCs |
and now, 'something completely different'...perhaps some dance instead of tears.... Art Pepper's album 'Mucho Calor' from 1957....'a presentation in latin jazz'..... with bunch of west coast stars... https://youtu.be/MoOHd0YtllM https://youtu.be/RK4WlatYV38 |
Italian (Leone) creating one of the best westerns ever, filmed in Spain. Everything is connected? One of my favourte all time crime (french) movies. A hommage to the genre, but it became known as such creation, that future artists continued to create hommage to it. J.P. Melville's 'Samurai' from 1967. with Alain Delon https://youtu.be/rzDM20dU4Zk Isn’ it the same with jazz or any other music? |
Rok, If by any chance you have not seen it, you should look for this movie, Fellini's 'Orchestra Rehearsl', I beleive you might like it here is the link with some scene https://youtu.be/sF9Xqa5wt-o |
Rok, I think that Mary’s rehersals might look something like this... https://youtu.be/lAt-b9oQydg and it continues here for the best part... https://youtu.be/vz1VzqRptQY |
Here is more Henderson, from ’Page One’ album, playing K.Dorham’s standard ’Blue Bossa’... https://youtu.be/U7eOs5lERww more about the song... http://www.donsickler.com/blue-bossa-what-you-dont-know/ another version... https://youtu.be/HgwCddPksEM |
Nsp, since you have mentioned Henderson playing on album with Grant Green, here is another album ’The Kicker’ where they play together. In fact, its the same line up like on ’Idle Moments’ except this album was released under the name of Bobby Hutcherson, but many years after it was recorded. Why, guess we should never know for sure.... https://youtu.be/gbxLxZVJ9nw I think you also mentioned Phineas Newborn J.R. couple posts ago. We have posted him as well, but perhaps you will like this album,where he plays as sideman. Posted before, but it dont mind... 'Maggie s back in town' by Howard McGhee' https://youtu.be/nilp-xPq0Y0 |
He was not mentioned a lot, my tonights album of choice... Don Friedman on piano with Chuck Isreals and Pete la Rocca on 'Circle Waltz' album from 1962. https://youtu.be/KNJsn0m8VL8 https://youtu.be/7rmY1b6TMKY |
Nsp, like him too, here is another his album that I have....'Flashback' from 1963. https://youtu.be/V0_U6WEFk78 Here is a same composition played by Friedman and Evans.... 'I hear a Rhapsody'... https://youtu.be/oHuZd7SG3x8 Friedman https://youtu.be/myUuXffyu_k Evans, Hall https://youtu.be/AL0tM4GKhxA Evans |
Not many live footage of Grant Green is there to be seen, so hope you all will like this one....trio, from 1969, apperently never broadcasted on tv ...' This footage was recorded for French TV but was never broadcast. It is uncut and unedited ..Filmed in France - looks like The Olympia in Paris to me - with Larry Ridley on bass and Don Lamond on drums.'.... https://youtu.be/OdFYaK_nUCs |
Regarding constant and everlasting question here about which music has ’right’ to be considered ’beautiful’ or ’true jazz’, there is a book I would like to recommend.... ’What is beauty? Umberto Eco, among Italy’s and worlds finest and most important contemporary thinkers, explores the nature, the meaning, and the very history of the idea of beauty in Western culture. The profound and subtle text is lavishly illustrated with abundant examples of sublime painting and sculpture and lengthy quotations from writers and philosophers.’ I believe that there is connection between music and other forms of art in a way how we value things,or how we have come to certain ’standards’. Hope you all will find the time to take a look....here is download in pdf form, but there are other ways to do it, on the same page... https://archive.org/details/OnBeauty.AHistoryOfAWesternIdeaByUmbertoEco2004 https://ia800208.us.archive.org/26/items/OnBeauty.AHistoryOfAWesternIdeaByUmbertoEco2004/On%20Beauty... I can understand the annoyance of Frogman, since its his profession, after all, but I dont mind reading such expressions from Op or Rok, its a kind of ’custom’ way to say it the way they say it now here.... For me, as I have said before, its about the sound....too often the ’modern’ jazz, or its players, do not have that particular sound that I like.... But, on other hand, neither the some most prominent players of ’old’ times do not ’have’ it, for me, anyway... So...one album of Louis Armstrong that I like.....posted before... ’Louis and the good book’...from 1958. the only gospel alum he recorded https://youtu.be/bvEmq-cX0G4 |
...further more...I've read that none studio recording of Johnny Griffin can represent how good actually he played as he was suffering from claustrophobia, so any studio session was discomfort was him...so,never he desplayed as same as live... Its been said for Oscar Wilde that none of his plays was so brilliant as man himself, seen and heard in relaxed company. Jazz, played and listened,when was on its peak, was in different historical and social times. Now, we can all agree, is not so relevant, present or popular among population. The audience is now more 'passiv' element than before. (correct me if I am wrong) My questions are... Does the lack of interaction with 'public' and life itself on more intimate and every day level makes the todays jazz different than one from before? Is it possible for an art form to grow without such relation and does that makes jazz 'dead' except as an form of expression of people who are practicing it ? Could that be said for other music art forms as well? Rock is also dead, isn it? Is there any chance that we shall hear some 'new' Beethoven or Miles? How about movies? Has anybody seen any new good western? One in every ten years....if That does not mean that there are not any good films any more.....that does not even mean that lots of movies are not basically westerns....because they share the same story concept....the good guy, the bad one and the duel at the end... But, their form of expression is very different Is it possible to apply the same analogy to jazz, because except for the same instrumets and similar conception in performance, we are looking/hearing at two very different types of music, but we are calling them by the same name? |
Ron McMaster retires...liked his work on more than one album... https://www.udiscovermusic.com/news/capitol-studios-vinyl-ron-mcmaster/ |
Thanks, Rok and Nsp, very nice of you to say that (yes,I am from Croatia) By the way, it seems that scottish fans are even more happy than ours, after win over England.... https://www.facebook.com/SPORTbible/videos/3021999441278901/ Aldo there is massive hysteria over football, here, now, I cant see it more than a sport achievement,(as it as) oppose to a feeling of 'identification' with 'collective national spirit', that such things, sometimes, have tendency to represent. We are still very small (but beautiful) country with lots of problems and such things are sometimes purposlely used as distraction from dealings with more important stuff... It was one of the Frogman posts, an article, where there was a line about Griffin, not so long ago.You can try to browse his posts and find it. |
I dont remeber if anyone has mentioned this sax player...John Handy... Here he is playing with Mingus.... https://youtu.be/sxz9eZ1Aons Couple of earlier solo albums... No coast jazz, from 1961. with Don Friedman on piano https://youtu.be/H0rF_qvuQCg New View from 1967. with Bobby Hutcherson and Pat Martino https://youtu.be/7BKsLZdV31w |
It would be interesting to find out. I must admit, I have no albums of Handy, nothing to compare with. But, here is the link from the net... https://culturedarm.com/behind-the-song-charles-mingus-goodbye-pork-pie-hat/ Or, perhaps, its another version on you tube? |
Just wanted to say, that, for me, music often serves as companion, for my most subtle thoughts and feelings. Sometimes I like to think that that is the reason I have a large selection of music, to be able to find 'that particular song', for some 'particular moment'... But, than again, sometimes I just stand in front of a wall of cd's and think that I have 'nothing' to listen to.... Of course, than I flatter my self, thinking that I am still growing.... I would not try to form any definitions about jazz, but as in any art form, definitely there are style forms that are dependent on time, place and on individual craetions. We all have our favourits and I guess we should try to broad them, by sharing and perhaps learning about 'new' (or old) ones... Arguing which one is 'real' or 'better' is a kind of fun, but childish... |
I think that Frank Zappa may shared some light on the subject... https://youtu.be/xP4wsURn3rw https://youtu.be/zgVUei2853A Rok, since all participants here share, more or less, love to jazz music, I just think that splitting hair about what excatly is 'real' jazz is quite counterproductive to forum. But, than again, I may be wrong. So, I will say it again, lets vote? Who is in favour of posting music in limited time frame of lets say '55 to year '65? (my favorite, by the way) I certainly and loudly 'vote' against such limitation... |
Orpheus, as you may see or hear from posts that I put, my choice of muisc is probbably closer to yours or Rok’s taste of music. But, that does not mean that I consider my choice to be the ’right’ one ,its just mine. Of course that I am happy when that is recognised or shared but I would never exclude others if they share a different opinion or taste. I believe that we can all learn or at least hear something new or different from others, no matter if we like it or not, at some moment. This is an open forum and I guess its a friendly one? In a todays world (and forum reflects that too) where so few people listen jazz, why should we make it even smaller by forcing some ’rules’, about which music is ’right’ or not? I believe what you say, about society that you (we all, I guess) live, that is a subject for a whole new theme, about post modern society and its trends...not only in ’jazz’. ’Improvisation’ is a last problem that concerns me, when I think or look at that picture... https://youtu.be/D9ArphpVxtg https://youtu.be/maOtX4tXyb4 https://youtu.be/M5GRpA5H3CI I mean, if a guy from Croatia (I bet not everyone here knows to find it on a map) can post some really 'deep' jazz or if a band from Finland can sing 'Sweet home Alabama' with Red Army choir, than that for certain shows that music should have no boundaries... |
some new and not so new music....perhaps not the new style....with some of the old guys...and some young ones... https://youtu.be/jhicDUgXyNg https://youtu.be/CsbWsKvyQTU https://youtu.be/cwYAeUpH1NM https://youtu.be/mVJjmyFfuts https://youtu.be/eB4oFu4BtQ8 |
Nsp, we have mentioned Cobb and Forrest, again, one album that you may like. On guitar is Calvin Newborn, brother of pianist Phineas J.R. https://youtu.be/-wkiXzau3sg |
Just ’out of head’, first thought, when I think about pianists with’soul’ in their sound...couple of tunes.. Wynton Kelly... https://youtu.be/B2nyZC6KLO8 https://youtu.be/ldTIXsCXJhc https://youtu.be/skB21XR1klc Ray Bryant too... https://youtu.be/6Q4EYUkmBg4 https://youtu.be/ToWh1yZv-z8 Junior Mance https://youtu.be/ecJLZZ509C8 https://youtu.be/NbxAIeKdJfg ...about ’present state of affairs’, one funny saying comes on my mind...it says that ’pessimist is the educated optimist’... |
The cartoons are great...swing too.... one more classic cartoon...the song was hit as well https://youtu.be/xNEYfIUDkh8 |
Since Marqmike did not post any music under the name he listed, here is some that I have found ' The Dale Bruning Quartet' https://youtu.be/JTB1LNPt3q0 Nsp, perhaps you might like this album as well, its King Curtis, but with jazz line up.... https://youtu.be/PGBGWDDhOAQ |
Nsp,one that first John Patton clip, one of the sax players is Fred Jackson. I have mentioned him long time ago, but since we are always repeating some music after all, guess nobody will object. He recorded two albums as a leader, of which one was issued, but both can be found on cd edition of 'Hootin N Tootin' album, from 1962. https://youtu.be/nhW5nAyWGw4 https://youtu.be/EJV4fDQigAU https://youtu.be/-lH7Eq2bq3c He also recorded with Baby Face Willette, I think thats how he ge the chance to record album as a leader. https://youtu.be/QXmidrngYnU Unfortunately, he did not get any success, and he has disappered from scene. Perhaps somebody knows more about him? My previous font also dissapered....have no idea how and why.... |
