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Frogman, fascinating stuff (sax). Please, always share. Orpheus, I believe it was Frogman who used some of the mentioned words, I only tried to make a joke referring to some previous exchange between you too, so I used the album with appropriate title. 'Plain Talk' sounds different as one may expect due to year and players involved (Frogman got it right) so I found it interesing that after all its not so 'plain'. .. Since english language is not my native, hope that my 'jokes' are not lost in translation.... Since you mentioned Quebec and posted Green, here is one clip where they play toghether, from Green's album 'Latin Bit', from 1962. https://youtu.be/WW9BlSmILJU |
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Kykat, you may try this, Chet Baker ’Candy’ album. It is recorded on dvd as well on cd. Beleive that it will provide the sensation of ’depth’, like looking at it live. Here is the link... https://youtu.be/0mnAVcMqJr8 |
Please all forgive me for my next comment, as I tend to speak only about the music that I like and not to discuss the other people different taste, but P.Barber gives me a such impression of 'unease',it is almost a physical feeling. I hear no 'flow' or 'spontaneity' in her music, its like her music is robbed of music itself. Again, please dont take it wrong, its just my impression, not a call for any confrotation |
Frogman, unti I saw P:B.here on Audiogon, I never saw her performing live (had no wish,obviously). Anyway, now when we are talking... she reminds me of this singer. Norma Winstone, from Azimuth. Here is the link https://youtu.be/yIzs92WTtNUBought that album, when it got out, more than 20 years ago, again, the music that I do not listen any more, it feels 'artificial' to me. Pryso, glad that you had no offense, we had ugly debates here, just because of 'different taste'. About Diana Krall, I have no albums of her either, she seems like a great pop singer. Pity that 'pop' has very different face today. Is it just me getting old, but music and its 'definitions' has really shifted for the worse? |
Hear, hear ! Here is another link, with Evans, I guess the same text could be written underneath, except Harold Land is in the place of the Zoot from album Quintessence, recorded 1976. https://youtu.be/qBp1WESsOTU |
Few years ago watched documentary about Steinway piano manufacture, very interesting. I had no idea that pianos, even from the same ’series’ all sound different. Is that also the case with the brass instruments? (of same model,make and series) Here is simmilar documentary, much shorter, about Steinway https://youtu.be/WTbdCIZ3W48 |
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Frogman, its in the Adriatic Sea, some thirty miles off shore, near the island of Vis. If you would continue in direction south, you would end up in Italy, near the town of Pescara. The photos are facing west (some 200 miles of sea in front) and if you would continue that way, you would also end up in Italy, somewhere around Venice. The photos are taken with simple phone camera, no photoshop or any effects added, in a space of couple hours, roughly from the same spot, as we were drifting in the boat, hoping that tuna fish will bait |
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Schubert, you may take a look at this few short clips that I found on ytube, just for curiosity This is my home town, in 1937.fim made by american authors,
Arthur Monroe Tode and Kate Eisig Tode who were passionate travellers https://youtu.be/3ECjFg88crYMovie made by Pan Am in 1964.
Wings to Yugoslavia" , part about town of Split https://youtu.be/pPj_vrWi1aIThis one is made somewhere in 80's, all over Yugoslavia https://youtu.be/0RRnCnO1Y2c |
Well, the title itself could be disturbing for some,ha,ha, but I have chosen clips that were made by american authors. As for 'the days', you were a kidd in those days, so some nostalgia that you might have may just be related to your childhood. I am quite sure that todays children will have pleasent memories on this moment in time, no matter that rest of the world might not share their emotions. Save the cookie, I eat sweets only in special occasions,ha,ha https://youtu.be/1tnqnXJl9qEhttps://youtu.be/C7T4aQMxTTMhttps://youtu.be/9W8d8YIsDkkhttps://youtu.be/M9hcAA93N8c |
My first record were the Beatles, hits fom 62-66, was moved by song 'Yesterday', could not translate it,than mine parents inlisted me to foreign language school. to learn english. Was 3rd grade at time But, my very first r’n’r record that I heard was Elvis. My parents liked music, from spiritual, jazz, french or even Mexican one (my father probbably lived there in his previous life) so I picked a lot of things at home. Regarding D.Martin, he should be presribed on recipes, for a good mood It looks like he is taking nothing too serious, including himself funny clip, with J.Wayne https://youtu.be/QT0D0c_CSOk |
Pscar, this is not patronising but I think these few regulars posters here are more of an old school guys, regarding how they obtain their music.(somebody correct me if I am wrong) You will probably find better answers to your questions if you check other threads on forum
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This is a record that I am enjoying listening to last couple of days, or better should I say, nights... Nothing new, we have mentioned Benny Golson many times, but just in case if somebody does not have this album. Strongly recommended. Benny Golson and the Philadelphians, with Lee Morgan, Ray Bryant or Boby Timmons,P. Heath and Phily Joe Jones,from 1958. https://youtu.be/hdm3DYBhJvA?list=PLUJ7V33M1wR0H0XdlCrmcrcKE7IpOozwL |
Sometimes we are going in circles here,but than again, its a nature of things... Let us not skip Cecil Payne...couple of albums that I have, as sideman and a leader... with Randy Weston, from 'Jazz a la Bohemia', the year is 1956. https://youtu.be/SkGpT9g4O6gsame but the title... from 'With these hands'... https://youtu.be/hAPAW07ju1Uas a leader, from a 'Patterns of Jazz' with Kenny Dorham and Duke Jordan https://youtu.be/5nmjj2qStpg |
Orpheus, your ’shoes’ story reminded me on this verse...
....’When I die, bury me in straight laced shoes, A box backed suit and a Stetson hat Put a 20 dollar gold piece on my watch chain; So the boys’ll know I died standin’ pat...
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Pryso, If I may suggest an album that I have, been posted here before. Its Mundell Lowe Quartet 'A grand night for swinging' from 1957. https://youtu.be/mKb68eNtTvUOn piano is Bill Taylor. Another album that you may like is his trio, with Candido https://youtu.be/qKH34bHcEbwNow, if the game is still on, here are some of my rather obvious suggestions....in random order First, standard 'Grooveyard' by Carl Perkins, the pianist, not the rocker, played here by Wes Montgomery and many others, choose your pick... https://youtu.be/hFv4gs70TNwThan, perhaps, also very famous tune, but played by guitarist... Grant Green 'My Favourite things' https://youtu.be/Fnk3dLXnHiYThis is too obvious, but I must....Tommy Flanagan 'Angel Eyes' https://youtu.be/v6UZTw1uHmkAgain, sorry for a such 'easy' tunes...Art Pepper 'You'd be so nice to come home to' https://youtu.be/xISaCzXYYg8One of my favourit pianists....Wynton Kelly 'Sweet as morning sunrise' https://youtu.be/ldTIXsCXJhc |
First, let me wish all the best to all of you, first and foremost, best health to everybody. Been swimming at the sea, for Christmas, felt great, couple days later drove bicycle and been in bed since, with temperature...what a genius. Anyway, since we are on Bossa topic, couple albums that I like, ( Getz, Quebec or Hawkins excluded) Charlie Rouse, with Kenny Burrell, ’Bossa Nova Bacchanal’ https://youtu.be/6tWnWfYyuGchttps://youtu.be/F21VhioFNgchttps://youtu.be/-EqXwnYY7FgZoot Simms with Jim Hall and orchestra https://youtu.be/67i_AhoFZRwDave Pike, again with Burell and Clark Terry https://youtu.be/VXUmU9X0Riwhttps://youtu.be/_30XmNMsKvY...and, an album that I got yesterday and enjoy...not a Bossa thing Bobby Jaspar Sextet, with Idrees Sulieman and George Wallington https://youtu.be/KvHjOhGyeTAhttps://youtu.be/kzejjPRRga8 |
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Just a question for a potential readers and perhaps not the active participants of the forum... If I would download, lets say 500 albums,that I Iike and would like others to hear or share, are there any peole who would take them, for free, of course ? |
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I think that I have all albums that I have posted here, and my personal feeling is that those ’underrated’ players are great ’spice’ to my (any) collection, simple beacuse it would be quite boring to have, perhaps only 20,30 ’great’ names, no matter that each of them could ’force’ you to have 50 of their records. After all, even among the ’greats’ not all of the recordings are worth having. But, its a matter of taste and the way each of us listen or buys records. I like to have broad selection but still, every now and than, think that I have nothing to listen...But wanted to point out, in ’defense’ to those ’forgotten’ players, that often lots of them made just one or two recordings as a leader, due to different, mostly unfortunate circumstances of their lives. So, we will never know and there is no point to speculate could they become ’great’ one day or not, but for me they are also an essential part of jazz, in the way I imagine it. Than again it was quite funny (or sad?) to read Frogman’s posted lists....it looks that jazz in general is slowly (or it is already) going to be forgotten.... Here is King Flemming trio... https://youtu.be/d7o4j1vqxsMhttps://youtu.be/KkcNUxien4Q |
Rok (and others too) Here is the link to a spanish label 'Fresh sounds'
https://www.freshsoundrecords.com/
They print and sell much of old music, on cd and lp that is almost impossible to find on original labels or its to expensive to buy it even if you do. They have large choice as well Sound quality is quite decent, or even better (they advertise it as remasters, but I dont believe its from original tapes) I have several of their editions, including the John Wright. The shipping to Usa is cheap, more than 3 time less than on Amazon, its even cheaper than for european customers |
Paul, I think that isolation and its consequences could be even worst. Glad that you are ok.
Orpheus, I did not fully understand? Do you mean John Wrigts albums or others from that era? |
Here is one thing played both by above mentined Kenny Dorham and Sonny Rollins, on different albums, of course... https://youtu.be/RmigWbsUQ0o
Kenny Dorham (trumpet), Curtis Fuller (trombone), Frank Haynes (tenor sax), Tommy Flanagan (piano), Ben Tucker (bass), Dave Bailey (drums)
Sonny Rollins And the Big Bras
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I am not sure is this going to be the answer you are hoping to hear, but I have listened the samples and all the music is quite ’nice’.... ....in a way that makes me think ’what a fine product’ ...but it lacks excitment, for me....or a sound of some particular tone or a note, that would make you check who is playing some instrument....
Also, I would be very much interested in hearing old jazz music produced with today’s tecnical standards, because I think that there is also something in a way that old recordings sound, that perhaps might have some appeal or at least sometimes, ’click’ of identification in ’our’ heads. Its pitty that even with a Sacd or analog and with good equipment, lots of spatial ’information’ of an old music stays hidden,in a way....
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Pryso, will be short, do not want that this story becomes an 'audiophile' discussion. My point is, if we speak about RVG for example,is that BN editions (on cd) are much better done before than on later remasterings (end of 90's and begining of the 2000) and I try to buy all my editions from that,prior period of production. Even than, I was never 'happy' with sound of piano and bass on his recordings. I have also a numerous albums from other recordings,from that time and some are better, some worst,you except thema as they are, but, sometimes I try to imagine what they would sound if they were produced in a ECM way or simmilar, aldo I do not prefer neither the artists neither the sound of that house. You cant deny that there is a huge difference in a quality of sound of instruments between modern an old recordings, no matter that old ones have that feeling of intimacy, rawness and presence that modern perhaps lack. If I may joke, that might be 'good' for potential audiophile because at one point investing in hi fi gear becomes useless because you just cant extract 'informations' that are not there. I have tried almost all editions including BN Sacd's that were mastered by Analogue Productions only to realise that they are just slightly different, maybe not even better, than original BN editions and 'miles'away form the sound of more modern music on Sacd (if done right) Of course, that is only my opinion, based on my experience |
Couple years back, Orpheus asked me about the size of my recod collection, considering the number of unknown artists that I have posted here. Well, I do not know does Jimmy Page listens to jazz music, but his room is much more packed with music than mine... Still, its nice to see somebody who seems to just enjoys in music.... Jimmy Page's room, from documentary 'It might get loud'... https://youtu.be/KVcS7KDf60s |
I guess its better to talk about the music that we like than to argue about it. So, will use the opprtunity to post something that is not jazz, an artists that I would very much like to have seen playing alive...perhaps some of you gents did? J.J Cale https://youtu.be/paUjZDLLO9Mhttps://youtu.be/ewYHSRcQOcI...and one concert that I would choose to see if I had a time machine... Muddy Waters, Buddy Guy, Junior Wells and the Stones in a small club' Chekerbard Lounge' from 1981. https://youtu.be/P3qfTk730Cw |
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Frogman, re Copeland, nice, you've posted that album before, I have not got it, yet. Just looked to see do I have anything else from him, nothing, except one colalboration (with Dave Pike)
Re Garland...when listening to him, sometimes I have a feeling that his notes lack 'sustain', they seems to fell 'short' ?
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Mare, Hampton Hawes served jail sentence for a long time, for some small drug crime. While waiting for his trial that got him 10 years he recorded this album of mostly spiritual content... This song is described as 'haunting'...I do not wonder why... from the album 'Sermon'... https://youtu.be/NNtl1NdvfhUsame song played by Satchmo, from his only gospel album 'Louis and The Good Book
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Frogman, thanks. Its interesting since you have mentioned that his (Garland) style influenced Evans. I find their styles on very opposite sides, Evans has a 'flow' that I miss when I listen to Garland. Flanagan is another player that comes on my mind, that has a 'Flow'... Pryso, yes, that one is a classic. Than you will like this one too... ...from the album 'Up', from 1964. ...'Sometimes I feel like'....you know how... https://youtu.be/_ZlkSz7guIo If you like 'A new perspective' album that you have posted. perhaps you could try this one too...the line up is stellar, (Green, Hancock,Turrentine, etc) I am curious to hear what you all think about it...the arrangments are not typical for the era... Its a Donald Byrd's 'I m trying to get home', brass with voices... https://youtu.be/j-ZSIoswvOQhttps://youtu.be/Wdrl-i9wv6E... |
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Acman, very nice, will get this one. I have only one album where he plays, with Chet Baker, its only trumpet and piano....I recommend that one too... https://youtu.be/skSx-ECpzmw |
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My Blue Michell (as a leader) picks.... 'Out of the Blue', from 1959. with Golson and Kelly https://youtu.be/cPilE8TeGu4'Blue's moods' from 1960. https://youtu.be/6026xPnrl7IBelieve it or not, but the Italians 'dig' jazz and have great scene,together with some established artists. Maybe a new topic? |
Not that I am keen on mentioning the subject, since it has nothing with music, but I just cant get over the cynicism when the segregation or slavery is mentioned in a way that Rok does it. To matter things worst, I believe that he has some twisted explanation about it that even may sound logical, but I truly believe that no human should be treated that way and just wanted to say that, as oppose to choose to look over it, as that may seem that I agree about it... |
Pryso, I do not know your feelings, but to paraphrase Groucho Marx 'I would never want to be a memebr of a club, that wants somebody like me as a member'... https://youtu.be/jsW-atvN9y0 |
I've posted this before, but we have new 'members'.... Grant Green, Kenny Burrell, Barney Kassell, together, live.... https://youtu.be/_4jMQNJFPO4 |