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Esa-Pekka Salonen on Beethoven:
Excellent informative clips about the impact of Beethoven’s Symphonies.. After watching, I could almost feel how hard it is to be a musician in a major orchestra.
He seems to be saying that they, the classical crowd, have to change with the times. Brings to mind the ’fusion’ and ’free’ folks in Jazz. There seems to be more recordings of Eastern European music in the magazines these days. Any connection? Something different?
My 7th copy of Beethoven’s 9 symphonies, Riccardo Chailly - Gewandhaus, is en route from England. Probably by tramp steamer.
Thanks for the great clips. I will have to buy something by Salonen. A guy this smart could not possibly be a noise maker.
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I just looked, and found I have something by him. He was involved with Wynton Marsalis' album, 'ALL RISE'. He conducted the L.A. Philharmonic.
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Factoid:
Welk and O-10 have the same tailor.
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Welcome back home OP. Things have not been the same since you left. I pray you will make a full recovery. Try to make yourself smart on all the latest treatments. It always helps you, if the Doctors know you are knowledgeable of possible treatments. The VA being what it is. *****I have come to the conclusion that you and I agree more than we disagree on the definition of jazz, because your definition is more emotional, as opposed to Frogman's definition which is more intellectual. Jazz with an intellectual bent can be ever so good, but it lacks "Blacknuss".
I always knew this, I just thought that you felt as OP you had to be even-handed, and support the musical tastes of all posters. Even those of The Frogman. Speaking of 'Blacknuss', Teagarden had black hair and a dark complexion. The 'usual' explanation back in the day, was, he has 'Indian blood'. I understand black folks did the same to explain their people with straight hair and caucasian features. People are always dumping on Indians. The real cause was most likely a white/black mixture, which was a definite no-no. :) I guess being a Jazz player didn't help matters.
I am still listening even when I don't post. Monk and Lester Bowie today. Question for anyone: Did Ellington know before hand, what Gonsalves would blow, during his 'interval' at Newport? Cheers Keeping you in my prayers.
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Imagine going into an upscale book store and only finding this month's comic and 'how to' books on sale. That's how you guys view Jazz. Cheers |
The 'putdown' that Pops was 'just an entertainer' was started by the so-called 'angry' progressive/noise makers from the NYC Jazz crowd. Probably brought on because of the world-wide adoration that Pops enjoyed, compare to the almost total anonymity, outside NYC, 'enjoyed' by the angry young men. He was also accused of clowning for 'the man'. Horrors!!!!! That means Pops was making too much money and appearing In too many Hollywood movies. Somewhat similar to the talk surrounding Wynton today. I am not comparing Wynton to Pops!
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Someone mention Fats Waller? Speaking of a true genius that liked to cut the fool.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gE8_MxJCsqg
This is on a two CD set by the original cast (shown). Ain't got it, git it. Waller wrote and performed 'Black and Blue'. I can't find a DVD of this. Criminal. Cheers
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Gonsalves' Interval:
Since this was such an important moment for the Ellington Band, I just wondered if The Duke knew it was coming. Judging by the way the tune was introduced by Ellington, I suspect he did. I was not asking about the "nuts and bolts" of the solo itself. Although I do appreciate your detailed response. Cheers Man, that Frogman is smart! |
*****When I was in St. Louis University Hospital, a young man from E. St. Louis was moved into the room I was in who had been shot up by an AK-47*****
He could have been treated by a Military Doctor. Army and Marine Corps Doctors are often assigned to inner city Hospitals to give them the experiences they will need when they deploy to war zones. Sad but true. Cheers |
I know you’re holding a grudge.
The man's arrogance is breathtaking. In order to disagree with him you must be holding a grudge?? Besides, we never had an exchange in the other thread. Some guy said that the greatest Jazz players ever, were Chet Baker and Bill Evans. I begged to disagree. Now, if a true aficionado had heard that, (IMHO and all that BS, notwithstanding), he would have been outraged. I did say 'True Aficionado'. Agent Provocateur, maybe not. Cheers |
*****The person who can describe the technical elements or technical flaws is thought to be incapable of feeling the emotion (perceiving”?); ever. What a bunch of nonsense and copout. ***** This music was first played in the whore houses of New Orleans. So, to which "Technical elements" or "Technical flaws" are you referring? The ones they taught you at music school in NYC? I do believe there was a lot more emotional feeling, than Technical stuff, going on at Red Ruby's House of Pleasure.
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Maybe I should have asked if you think Ellington anticipated, or was he surprised, at the crowds reaction to Gonsalves' Interval. They say it was a near riot. That's 'Riot' in the context of Newport, not Riot as in Chicago. I understand a few deck chairs were knocked over due to the crowds exuberance.
*****But, that’s just me.***** Agreed.
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ESTUPENDO!!!
I have the Duke with Mahalia Jackson, but after checking on Amazon, it seems as if the Duke had an entirely different side that was unknown to me. This was not a one-off sacred performance, he did it many times. How did it escape me?
The quality of the performances were outstanding. Dr. Bunny Briggs!! Wow. You can tell when the real 'Geniuses' are involved.
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Alex: Good luck against the French!! Cheers |
Questions for The Frogman: Today I was listening to LvB's 9th with John Eliot Gardiner conducting the Orchestre Revolutionnaire Et Romantique. He moves right along, very fast tempo. I then compared Gardiner to the listed time on the CD of my slowest version, at least to my ear, Karl Bohm conducting the Wiener Philharmoniker. The difference in time was approx. 17 minutes!! Is that possible? Or is this a result of repeats taken or not taken? I could not hear a difference. Thanks Cheers |
I knew about the Sony CD thing. Seems as if Gardiner could conduct the 9th, and the 1812 overture, and still finish before Bohm finished his 9th. You should check out the Gardiner. The one I have is from a set of all Beethoven's Symphonies on the Archiv label. Released in 1994. Was all the rage in Europe at the time. Recording of the year etc... Thanks for the info. Cheers |
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Excellent report on this evening's PBS News hour on the New John Coltrane release. Filmed in the beautiful van Gelder recording studio. Includes short interviews with Ravi and McCoy, and clips of the great man himself playing. Nice to see a national program give so much time to Jazz. Guess I will have to get it now. The hype always gets me,. Cheers |
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This CD is always in my car.
Cars in Croatia have CD players??? Wow!!! The Queen is more advanced than thought. Cheers |
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This evening on Turner Classic Movies channel: Leonard Bernsteins's Young People's Concerts What does music mean Humor in Music What is a Mode A toast to Vienna in 3/4 time: Waltzes 7-11 CST Cheers |
*****While Dave Brubeck was a giant among giants when compared to his peers, the thing that sat him apart was his long and exemplary life as a person; when comparing great jazz musicians, that's about as rare as "chicken lips".*****
Are you back on the sauce again? What a load of BS.
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I love Dr John, But, he should leave Ellington alone. Cheers |
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***** But "No soul, no jazz"? I just don't understand that.*****
He should have said, "No Blues, No Jazz, Know Blues, know Jazz" One of those pesky things called facts. Cheers |
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*****Pryso, I agree with every word you wrote.*****
Surprise, Surprise!! Gomer Pyle, USMC Cheers |
Anyone, of average intelligence, and who is the least bit observant, and who has lived in this country for a few years, will be aware of the low intensity 'cultural war' in progress.
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****Now, Brubeck part of the cultural war? Seriously? Kindly explain.**** I suggest you all go back and watch the Ken Burns Series JAZZ and get refreshed. If you don't know American history, you will never understand the Cultural war thingy. You won't even understand Jazz. You'd be better off reading a little more history and a little less of that music school propaganda. And stop it with the BS from Mingus. Love his music, but that's where it stops. Since I became aware of his refusal to tour the South with Pops, I won't take lectures from him about anything. Cheers
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"When you are talking about Jazz, you are talking about Race." Wynton Marsalis (from the Ken Burns DVD series 'Jazz'.) Cheers |
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