Jazz for aficionados


Jazz for aficionados

I'm going to review records in my collection, and you'll be able to decide if they're worthy of your collection. These records are what I consider "must haves" for any jazz aficionado, and would be found in their collections. I wont review any record that's not on CD, nor will I review any record if the CD is markedly inferior. Fortunately, I only found 1 case where the CD was markedly inferior to the record.

Our first album is "Moanin" by Art Blakey and The Jazz Messengers. We have Lee Morgan , trumpet; Benney Golson, tenor sax; Bobby Timmons, piano; Jymie merrit, bass; Art Blakey, drums.

The title tune "Moanin" is by Bobby Timmons, it conveys the emotion of the title like no other tune I've ever heard, even better than any words could ever convey. This music pictures a person whose down to his last nickel, and all he can do is "moan".

"Along Came Betty" is a tune by Benny Golson, it reminds me of a Betty I once knew. She was gorgeous with a jazzy personality, and she moved smooth and easy, just like this tune. Somebody find me a time machine! Maybe you knew a Betty.

While the rest of the music is just fine, those are my favorite tunes. Why don't you share your, "must have" jazz albums with us.

Enjoy the music.
orpheus10

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*****Rok, do you know what "genocide" is?*****

I do, But it's obvious that you do not.


@Bluesy41,   you are addressing the OP of this thread.   I think he decides what is appropriate.

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*****I don’t think so.*****

Well, I think so, and apparently, so does the OP.  Some of us can walk and chew gum at the same time.   We can talk about Basie and Katrina all in the same day.  Believe it or not.


*****Once again, in spite of all the prior commentary about how the reason that there aren’t more posters here is that we “aficionados” are somehow special and have some special appreciation for this music, here we have a new contributor who is not being welcomed.*****

Once again, here we go with the straw man stuff.   No one said the posters on this thread are special.   No one said Bluesy41 was not welcome.   You just make  this stuff up, so you can tear it down.

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@Frogman

*****Bro please keep this to music or go to twitter.*****


Based on this opening post, the response was very appropriate.

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Were the Ellington and Basie Bands actually combined?  I'll look for a video.   I'd like to see that.

First impression is sort of like the Third stream thing,   the whole is not as good as the parts.


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I understand you being upset over the deaths during Katrina, however I think you are upset at the wrong people.

Most deaths in hurricanes are caused by the storm surge i.e. the water that is pushed ashore by the force of the hurricane winds. Flooding. The winds look dramatic on TV, but most of the deaths are caused by drowning. Therefore, most people are killed DURING the hurricane. What happens after a hurricane, is giving people water, food, shelter and medical attention. The military can be useful at doing that, but so can the state National Guard.

Most People died during Katrina due to the total corruption and incompetence of local and state government. After all the warnings, There was no organization. No plan. No evacuation. I think that clown they called mayor had laid on 12 school buses. WTF?? The total corruption of that city was exposed. Cops did not report for work and / or joined the looters.  Contrast that with the NYPD on 9/11.

And this is key, people died in the attics of their homes trying to stay above the water. They were trapped and died there. Where were the locals to help direct the rescuers to the correct houses? To account for missing people? Those that managed to cut thru the roofs were taken off by military helicopters. In the 9th ward it was every person for themselves. The young and strong survived, the old and weak were left behind. Not by the President, but by their "friends and neighbors" and local politicians. The young strong ones, who knew the local lay of the land and could have helped the trapped people, were busy lifting 75" flat screen TVs.

In the end, people died due to the indifference of their fellow citizens. The citizens of New Orleans. They just didn’t care about each other.

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Food for thought:

Katrina made landfall at Bay St. Louis, Mississippi.  That town no longer exists.  At least not immediately after the storm.   There was not even any debris left.   But, this is a political storm, so no one cares about the folks in Mississippi.

Hurricanes still form off the coast of Africa EVERY YEAR, and head towards the Coasts of North and Central America and the Islands of the Caribbean.

New Orleans is STILL 10 feet below sea level.

Water STILL cannot be compressed

You do the math.

Better hope that next time there is a Republican in the White House.   Otherwise, who do we blame??? :(

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We seem to be stuck in Newport.  No room for solos by Tyner on this one. 

Today's Listen:

John Coltrane -- NEWPORT '63

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7T-pTv8ZlaM

Trane once told Miles that once he started soloing he didn't know how to stop.   Miles suggested he try taking the horn out of his mouth.

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Ella is awesome.   She can't help but be.    The orchestra does not seem to have that 'Ellington" sound.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3ADroVuFwM


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I am used to the 'Ellington Reeds' having a prominent place in his music.

I guess with a singer, the arrangements are different.   But that is an old picture, could it be that he had not developed his signature sound at that time.

Not a criticism of the music.  Who the hell can be critical of Ellington?  Certainly not this musical peon.

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*****and know what these weapons of war are for, to kill people*****


OMG!!!!!    Who knew???

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Bluesy41:

Based on your response I hereby declare you, and your Mom, 100%, genuine, Jazz Aficionados.

Appreciating The Bey sisters puts you in rarified company on this thread.  You will be amazed at the number of 'so-called' Aficionados, that just don't get it.

Once again, Welcome aboard.

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Today's Listen:

Duke Ellington -- NEW ORLEANS SUITE

The Duke's tribute to The City and it's Musical Heritage.

According to the liner notes, Ellington was thinking about how he could persuade Johnny Hodges to play Soprano on this tribute to Sidney Bechet, when the phone rang, and he was informed Hodges had just died.

Paul Gonsalves was the subsequent choice.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZJ7O8gOAPU


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=890IdiOOVKM


Great CD.   Along with 'Latin America Suites', my last Ellington purchases.

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@pryso 

Ellington:

Not a problem.   We are all entitled to our own opinion, just not our own facts.

I know some folks who love Opera, just not anything by Mozart, Puccini, Verdi or Rossini.

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Duke Ellington and Johnny Hodges -- SIDE BY SIDE


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NgvXbwi4lI

The liner notes in the booklet are just as fascinating as the music itself.   Gives good insight into the workings of the Ellington Band.  

 Clark Terry who was a band member for 8 years, said the only rehearsals he could recall were for new material prior to recording sessions.  

Stop smiling O-10.  The reason for this was the gifted players in the Band,  and the many years they had played together.

*****A lot of the music was never committed fully and accurately to score paper.  A case in point was the experience of saxophonist bill Perkins, who was booked to take part in an Ellington Tribute concert at which he would play the baritone.  "I looked forward to playing those marvelous Harry Carney parts", remarked Perkins prior to the first rehearsal, only to find out later that they did not exist.  At best, Ellington's musicians would be provided with just skeletal scores, little more than a melody line.......***

I don't quite understand all that, but it seems like you had to be ready to play with Ellington.

Listen to the entire LP.  Great stuff.

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Cherry Pink and Apple Blossom White -- Prez Prado

My big solo in high school

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I have:

Malachi Thompson & Africa Brass -- BUDDY BOLDEN'S RAG

Lester Bowie is Featured.

I need to revisit these guys.   I bought the CDs for a reason, don't know why I put them in the noise maker box.  

As NOMAD said, "I need to reevaluate".

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Lester Bowie: I Only Have Eyes for You

FAN... TAS... TIC....!!!!!


I hope he has some other good stuff out.   I will check.

Great Clip

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All the Lester Bowie clips were just great.   I went to Amazon to see his output, and the first name to pop up was Roscoe Mitchell, I thought, oh Lord, but I read on.   I have him as side man on the Mitchell CD "Sound".

Turns out this guy is steeped in Blues and R&B.  Played with Little Milton and was married to Fontella Bass.   Excellent credentials in the world or Blues and R&B.   He and Mitchell even recorded on the blues label 'Delmark".

He also played with my high school band-mate.  I will listen to my Roscoe CD later.  It has five tracks, 2 titled 'Ornette' and 2 titled 'Sound 1 & Sound 2". WTF!!!  Red flags all over the place.

That 'One Love' tune is a good tune to mess around with.   It was one of my favorites on the 'playing for change' project.


Thanks for the introduction and clips

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The Frogman man is amazing.  How did you find that old clip.   I don't remember it, but I think my comments were very consistent after 4 years.

It also reminded me why I put them in the Noise Maker box.  Based on that clip, that's where they belonged.

Maybe Roscoe and Malachi were the problems.

Bowie's music that was recently posted was good.

I think I will purchase two of them.

There is a whole treasure to be found is redoing old classic R&B and and Soul music.

The BEY sister will not be denied their just place in Jazz!!!!

Frogman,  Thanks for the history example.  I Liked that.   I always wondered if any of us could withstand looking at our past comments.  I think I passed this one.    whew!

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@Frogman

Yes I got the pm. I read the OP’s post, but did not respond, had errands to do. When I returned this evening, the post was removed.

It was a strange post.

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Ella vs Sarah:


It's Ella, and it's not even close.   Replace Sarah with ANY other singer, singing ANY other song, and the result is the same.

Ella in a class by herself is one of the few things, that, all music folks should agree.


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She has the perfect instrument, perfect pitch,  and has perfect control over both.    But you don't have to  take my word for it, it's pretty much a given in the world of Jazz and also by the folks at the Metropolitan Opera.

Notice in my original post, I did not use the word Jazz.   She was much more.

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Received This Yesterday:

Lester Bowie's Brass Fantasy -- I ONLY HAVE EYES FOR YOU

Now this is what modern music should be.   I love this CD.

This is straight out of New Orleans.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpiTwIK0J68

Has that Jamaican beat.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJKalkdADaU

They make everything sound like a dirge.  Great.   Maybe it's the Tuba.

They may be in the Free-Jazz bin, but these guys are stuck in the past, which is exactly where they should be.   After all, that's where the good stuff lives.


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I can recognize greatness without having to say it's my favorite.  I don't listen to Bird or Dizzy very much.

No one, no one, can sing like Ella.   I listen to Dee Dee most of the time.

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Mehldau:

Nice enough music and playing, but where is the Jazz?  I fear this is an example of things to come.   Emotionless music.   Reminds me of the singer in the Movie  "The Fifth Element".   Fascinating to hear, but who is she connecting with?


Bach should get himself a good lawyer and start suing some of these folks.

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’Best Sarah’ and ’Best Ella’ were both awesome. The best? Does not matter, both are great. We should be thankful to have them both. There is the top three, and then all the rest. That’s good enough for me. I will say Ella is so effortless, as you alluded to in your post.

Operatic Sarah? Man, she’s a great Jazz singer.

The Ella clip with Pops was not available.

What music are you playing in the Far East?

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Sitting here watching the Tennis Matches from Indian Wells,California, when the announcer, Mary Carillo, says,  ........ "reminds me of something the great Jazz trumpet player Miles Davis once said"......   That was really an LOL moment.   Nice to hear.


She quoted Miles as having said, "always listen for what you can leave out".

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She and her co-host were talking about how Roger Federer, the number one player in the world, has to be more selective as to which of the tournaments leading to the Grand Slams he plays, and which ones he skips.  His age (36), being the primary consideration.

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Have you guys hacked my Amazon account?  I got this a few days ago, along with the three CDs of Monk: The London Collection.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1BcOq_tbpo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pksfz8uycLk

This was recorded in Holland about 4 weeks before Dolphy died in Berlin of Insulin shock.  Too much insulin in the blood. (low blood glucose coma).

The rhythm section is a French group.

The bass Clarinet sounds ok, I like it in classical music, but in Jazz it sounds like an anemic Sax.   I don't see the purpose of it in Jazz.   Same with the Violin.

Now, this guy can play the Flute.  None of that  spitting and sputtering and buzzing stuff here.   The tone is perfectly round and clear.  Very good.

My over all  impression was that this was just something to do while in Europe.   He stayed over after the tour with Mingus, to be with his fiancée.   He should have kept Mingus' rhythm section.

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Isn't it interesting how all these marginal instruments and so-called "Free Jazz" seem to go hand in hand?  Looking for a gimmick instrument to play gimmick 'music'?

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BTW, we really don't need no stinkin' Bass Clarinets in Jazz.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWfIhwTv9M8



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Speaking of the Free Jazz bunch.   You posted this recently, but it's worth hearing everyday.   I love the 4-note thing the background trumpets play and how it changes as the song progresses.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQCtBIBcPpE


This is great music making.   I wonder if we would like it as much if this was the first and only "I only have eyes for you"?

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Grappelli has been playing violin forever.  Long before he started playing Jazz.   Back in the day when he and Django were together.

He did not pick up the violin just to be different in the world of Jazz.

Houston Person:

True it's not Jazz, but I just happened to be listening to that CD when I read all the Bass Clarinet stuff.   But it did make the point. :)

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