Jazz for aficionados


Jazz for aficionados

I'm going to review records in my collection, and you'll be able to decide if they're worthy of your collection. These records are what I consider "must haves" for any jazz aficionado, and would be found in their collections. I wont review any record that's not on CD, nor will I review any record if the CD is markedly inferior. Fortunately, I only found 1 case where the CD was markedly inferior to the record.

Our first album is "Moanin" by Art Blakey and The Jazz Messengers. We have Lee Morgan , trumpet; Benney Golson, tenor sax; Bobby Timmons, piano; Jymie merrit, bass; Art Blakey, drums.

The title tune "Moanin" is by Bobby Timmons, it conveys the emotion of the title like no other tune I've ever heard, even better than any words could ever convey. This music pictures a person whose down to his last nickel, and all he can do is "moan".

"Along Came Betty" is a tune by Benny Golson, it reminds me of a Betty I once knew. She was gorgeous with a jazzy personality, and she moved smooth and easy, just like this tune. Somebody find me a time machine! Maybe you knew a Betty.

While the rest of the music is just fine, those are my favorite tunes. Why don't you share your, "must have" jazz albums with us.

Enjoy the music.
orpheus10

Showing 50 responses by rok2id

Oscar Peterson Interview:

Outstanding!!!   Very informative,  and above all, interesting.   You will never see anything like that, and that long, about Jazz / Jazz players on American TV.


When Previn made the comment about someone playing BACH with a rhythm section, was he speaking of MJQ?   I have 'Blues on Bach', which is a lot more blues than Bach.

I have the 'Solo Masterpieces' 7CD set by Art Tatum.  Not my favorite pianist, but they seem to think very highly of him and his place in Jazz  And they should know.   In my mind I always put him in the same place as Bird and Dizzy, too many notes and too fast.    I will have to revisit him.

Not once did he ask Peterson to comment on another player.  I liked that.  Most often this 'interviews' are just opportunities to fish for compliments for some up and coming player or a peer.

Thanks to The Frogman.

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BTW, Previn did slight the blues once in his comments.   I would say his playing could use a little more Blues.


         

I had no idea Previn was German born.  That sort of explains the Anne-Sophie Mutter thing.


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*****The best known of these was his “Suite For Flute and Jazz Piano” with the great flutist Jean Pierre Rampal.   *****


I have that on LP.   Didn't make the cut to CD.  I don't even remember the music.

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@ghosthouse 

In my haste to rant, I failed to mention that I found the Alboran Trio piece to be enjoyable to my ears.  I don't know if they have a track record or not, because I have never heard of them.   And you are correct in saying they were Italians playing Jazz in Italy.   I guess there is bound to reflect Italian sensibilities in the music.   However, The Frogman's first Law will always  apply.   The Marketplace is brutal.

I hope your curiosity concerning Rampal and Siegel does not lead you to  spend money to satisfy it.  My excuse was that  we didn't have you-tube at that time.

The Mayall piece was run of the mill.  In Blues, it's the legitimacy of the singer and the lyrics.   That's the hardest part for the Rockers to get.


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If you have to put an adjective in front or behind the word ’Jazz’, there might be a problem. If it’s "Jazz Blues Fusion", you KNOW there is a problem.


I speak from experience. Traditionalist are not born, they are created by personal experience. Believe it or not, I paid good / real money for the CD "Corky Siegel Plays the Blues". I was deceived by the word ’blues’.

I also paid for the Jean Rampal LP.

You would be surprised at the junk on my shelves as a result of trying to be ’progressive’, or ’avant-garde’.


We don’t go to the MET to hear the "American" Tosca. We go to hear the Opera ’Tosca’, in Italian!  Same with Jazz. I don’t understand what the term ’Italian Jazz’ means. Is there a polish Jazz? Or heaven forbid, Croatian Jazz?

Jazz is Jazz. And it’s a lot more than just improvised music. And it’s American.


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Everyone knows that Wynton is my main man.   However, although he is a great Jazz teacher, arranger, player and keeper of the faith,   a historian, he is not.  He shows a shallow Hollywood - like vision of slavery.

What's up with this drum ban stuff?   I'll tell you.   It's a myth, pushed by black people,  to explain the lack of slave rebellions in this country.   Nate Turner being the more obvious exception.   He went on rampage and killed 60 or so white folks, but drums had nothing to do with it. 

I.E.  if we could have communicated with each other, we would have fought and won our freedom.  BS of course.

The real reason is, they had enough sense to know that they were in a better place than the place they came from.  And you can say the same about all the white groups in this country.   New York was a lot better than York.   And so on.....

Ask yourself this question:  What, in practice, was the real difference between black slaves and white sharecroppers in the deep south.  What's the real difference between slaves picking cotton and whites mining coal in KY and WV?    Where, as the Tennessee Ernie Ford song says,"I owe my soul to the company store.  i.e., when payday came, I owed, more than I had earned.

The difference?  One group were slaves by law.   The others were not, by law.

BTW, both groups created great music.   Louis Armstrong once said, "if there had not been segregation in New Orleans, there would be no Jazz."  All the black guys would have been in integrated bands playing Sousa.    Ain't it the truth.

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Thanks for the info on Prez and Bird.  I tuned to WKCR and they were playing this tune, from this album.  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10mNWm4Ax7k

WOW!!   Don't like this,  git outta Jazz and Music.

I actually have this tune on a Box set I have titled "From Spirituals to Swing"
It's so precious, I'm afraid to play it.

Thanks again.   I'll be listening.

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Today's Listen:

Thelonious Monk  --  THE THELONIOUS MONK ORCHESTRA AT TOWN HALL

Pepper Adams, Charlie Rouse, and Phil Woods comprise the Sax Section.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cd5rGoDqTyE


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvXOcLi47TY

While in the Army, I served in Korea, with a member of Monk's family.  His last name was Monk, and he was a dead ringer for the great man himself.  Even from NYC.  Of course we all know of the great wide receiver, Art Monk, of the Washington NFL football team.  Also kin to Thelonious.


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@pryso 


While attending school in Atlanta, a college friend of mine played that MJQ LP to introduce me to Third Stream Music.   If would have helped if I had been familiar with streams one and two.

He was from NYC and he made it his mission to educate us poor southerners.   A really cool guy.


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Seems to me that a lot of the music of George Gershwin would qualify as fitting the definition of Third Stream.   Think of Rhapsody in Blue and An American in Paris.   Porgy and Bess?


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I am sure this might sound incredulous to some, but the genre that most resembles Jazz to my ear, is Bluegrass.

Check the solos. Love it. I have this on CD and DVD.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRi6yhqmuxU

BTW, this was recorded at Historic Fisk University in Nashville.   Home of the Fisk Jubilee Singers.


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A fusion, or coming together of sorts.   Great CD.   R&B and Country Songs, each sung by a Duet of R&B and Country singers.  Great stuff.

Three of my favorites:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3o_mDLyCDQ 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0gAGbmF71U

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzZ-FJl_YEY 


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Richard Greene:

Great stuff.  Amazon only shows LP and MP3 versions.  I am not sure how well this music would wear on me.   I would buy this CD, but sooner or later you need a piano or some sort of horn, to break up the constant Violin.

Vary the register.   Create some dynamic range.  

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Jazz Musicians:

The Oscar Peterson interview drove home one point to me, and that is, there is a method to jazz improvisation.  It's not just, let me start from zero and make up something.   Building blocks are involved.   Did you notice how easily they talked to each other.   No explanations required.   They both knew all, oh Lord, The Nuts & Bolts.

There is a method / system.


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*****Do you recall an interview with Herby Hancock, where he stated how he goofed (played wrong chord or notes) and Miles came right behind him and made it all perfect; Miles thought that was what Herby intended to play. Improvisation is spontaneous, there is nothing predetermined about it.*****

How did Miles know Herbie had messed up?   He must have broken some musical rule that was easily noticed by another musician, who being a great player, just made it all right.  And also, how did Herbie know Miles had covered his mistake?   Maybe they spoke the same language.

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*****“Building blocks”. I like it; but doesn’t “nuts and bolts” have more charm? 😉*****


Nein.


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Today's Listen:

The Clark Terry Quintet -- TOP AND BOTTOM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-CW6XN1qfY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nL5g17q3RXA

In Baseball he would be called a damn good journeyman.   But folks like him are the backbone of Jazz.   They bring it to the masses.   After the elite innovators like Trane, had jumped the tracks, and Miles, had morphed into Sinbad, players like Terry carried on. He used to appear on the Johnny Carson show quite often back in day.  Art farmer also.

Sylvia Cuenca on drums.


Top and Bottom indeed!!!

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Just because music is written, does not mean all the performances will be identical.  Since we can assume any competent pianist can play the notes on the sheet of music, what separates Horowitz from any other player?

I have a billion CDs of Beethoven's 9th Symphony, but I always play Bohm-Wiener.   All of them play the same notes.

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Lightnin' Hopkins:

I remember seeing the posters and flyers when he came to my town.   I was way too young to be allowed into a Juke Joint.  Me and my 'posse' used to ride our bikes, park across the street and listen to folks like Hopkins and B.B. from the outside.   Great Bluesman.

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@orpheus10 :

Two more songs with a story.  When this movie was released in 1956, I had a little kid's job as ticket collector at the town's movie theater.   This movie, 'Rock Around The Clock', was shown on a Saturday night, a special midnight showing, and ADULTS ONLY. :)

Such was the mind set in Mississippi.   And I lived in the most progressive part of the state!!

Of course as an employee I saw it.   I thought for a while it would be the real deal.   My imagination was running wild.   I was gonna see the good stuff.

You can imagine my disappointment.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwgnL7V1ugo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-eJOJhwgluE

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*****rok, would that have been in or near Oxford*****


No, this was in the delta area of the state.   Land of cotton and the blues.

I think the Mississippi intellectuals, folks who could read, write and figure, lived up around Oxford. :)

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I am sure Kipling won't mind.

Jazz is Jazz, and

Classical is Classical, and

Never The Twain shall meet


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***** I knew Mississippi was backwards, but that's stretching it, even for Mississippi.*****


Well this was 1956.  Mississippi was probably no more backwards than any other rural state at that time.

I have always felt I had the most wonderful childhood.

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@schubert :


Rock and Roll was just fine.   You cannot over state it's importance to young people.

I can't imagine being a teenager without this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2y7bWN2u1s

Rock music was a different thing altogether.  Angry, political and drug crazed. 

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@The frogman:

Define the term being "Classically Trained".

I am not sure I know what it actually refers to.

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I have the DVD and CD.  Listen to the CD a lot.   Have never opened the DVD.   Never been in the mood to watch the entire movie.   The music is great.    Nice clips.

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*****I beg to differ slightly "Jerry Butler" was R&B, as are most of the tunes you have posted.*****


I go by the title and the lyrics.   'For your Precious Love' is definitely not a R&B title.

Great R&B titles include  this one by Bobby Blue Bland:

"She's putting something in my food".

No teenage love there!!

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Categories:

I keep it simple:   5 Racks

(1) Jazz

(2) Blues

(3) Classical /  includes Opera

(4) Pop / R&B, R&R, Motown and my one Rock CD.

(5) Gospel / Spirituals, Christmas

I felt no need to sub-divide farther than that.


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The people who make these musical categories would not know Jerry Butler from Jerry Lewis.   I feel no compulsion to follow their lead.

Didn't Johnny Ace die playing Russian Roulette? 

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@The Frogman

I don’t know if my question was answered or not. I was wondering what is the advantage of being classically trained as it relates to playing Jazz. I always assumed it meant you gained total, or at least better control over your instrument.

In the other Wynton piece, I was disappointed to hear that he felt he had to make the obligatory statement about segregation in his hometown. Oh,woe is us.

He does not seem to understand that if his surroundings had been integrated, odds are, he would not be where he is now. Maybe he would be playing third trumpet in the Dallas Symphony Orchestra.

He would not have had the dedicated teachers he had, if not for segregation. Teachers that were dedicated to teaching HIM, instead of teachers that just had degrees from top universities. There is a good chance there would have been no such thing as Jazz

We gained a lot from integration, and we lost just as much, if not more. That should not be forgotten.

Informative clips.

*****but this is why I love Wynton***** I almost fell off my chair!! Finally seeing the light Frogman??


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*****Rok, what did you do; pick the worst George Benson you could find, he will never forgive you.*****


I was just trying to pick out his best Jazz stuff.   He could be all over the music map.  I think he wasted time and reputation doing that.

I have all of his smooth / soul Jazz stuff also.

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Elementary:

1 *Tenor

2 Benny Carter

3 Temperley

4*Tenor

5 *Tenor


* subject to The Frogman's First Law of "who the hell is that".  Therefore, unknowable by sound or style.

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If it looks like a troll, and walks like a troll and sounds like a troll, then by George, it's a troll!!

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*****Nothing good came out of slavery, although I wish the civil war had never been fought, and that the Mason Dixon Line would be our southern border*****

As Mr. Spock might  say, "Most Illogical".

A few good things that came out of slavery, staying with Jazz:

Jelly Roll Morton,Louis Armstrong, Duke Ellington, Bird, Trane, Miles, Monk, Cannonball, Dizzy, Lee Morgan, Billie Holiday, Ella, Sarah, Dee Dee, Wynton,   need I go on????   Our OP?

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Loved the Sax ensembles.  I have a few by 'The World Saxophone Quartet', but they seem to be more into the avant-garde.   The music just posted, was much better.   I wonder why this is not done more often.


When it comes to identifying players on records, I am hopeless.  I remember a similar thing Stereo Review used to do every month.  Those guys seldom missed.


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Groove Merchant:

 Very Nice.   Fireworks?   We don't need no stinkin' fireworks.  I always liked the Ellington Reed section.    They had such a unique sound.   Of course The Duke wrote it that way.  Saxophone sections playing like this always remind me of vocal groups with great harmony.

Nice Clip

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@jafant :

Good point.   I wanted to bring up the fact that blacks in this country are not the only people on this planet to have had a hard time.   We are just the only ones who use it as a crutch.   All the rest have moved on.   Some former slaves are actually accused of running the world.

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Since we are in a Saxophone frame of mind.  An "interval" if you please.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYgow060zOg

The Solo that saved the Ellington Band?

Slavery ended 91 years before this concert.

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The Count said Lester Young was the best Sax player that has ever Blown. Don’t come in here with that Trane stuff.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrsR2pMKoa8


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