Jazz for aficionados

The downside is that he left the stage thinking he had played Jazz.   I don't understand the motive of real Jazz players being complicit in it's destruction.

Must be the money.

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One of the marvels of Jazz, is how so much, is said by so few.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNmpIA_bLcE

I know, I know, "we have all heard this".   So what, hear it again.

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Welcome to Coldducktime.

Looking thru my stuff today and found this.  We have ignored Benny Carter for too long.  Fairly decent Saxophone section on this one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmOwsjS9Pek

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From 1941.   I think the OP used to jam to this at the local soda fountain.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Ilho9oNFQI

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Since it's Dizzy's tune, and he plays on both performances, the only thing left for us to critique is the recording quality.

Massey Hall by a nose.    They had Mingus!

Speaking of the best.   Love the chorus.   15:26/27    wow!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2Vpb9mRsOM

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Guilty as charged.   I should have said Massey Hall SHOULD have been the definitive Tunisia.

I wondered was that the infamous plastic saxophone.  I have a hard time taking Dizzy and Bird serious for just that reason.   They act like kids.  The bent trumpet, the plastic sax,  I know their place in Jazz, but that's almost like todays so-called Jazz players wearing tank tops and jeans.

Proves my point that players that cover early classics can, and  often do,  play them better than the masters.

I did not realize HRH had posted 'Favorite Things'.   Sorry your grace.

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Can anyone recommend any of the latest and greatest Computer speakers?   I have Logitech Z623.   Price no object. :)

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Don't jump on the OP too hard.   Every account of that white Saxophone, in all the Jazz publications I have ever read, refer to it as a 'plastic' or 'toy Plastic' horn.   And ridicule him for playing it.    All written by pros.

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Wynton at 19.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vzZWAd-k_I

A conversation with Branford

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wkkcXP9yZ0

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One of a kind group.  In a Class by themselves.   Great music, Sad title.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcPE6HPntPc

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@ghosthouse 

I have been thinking about the audioengine stuff for a while.  I think I will need their sub if I get them.   I am surprise there is not a more varied selection given how audio and computers seem to be merging  more and more.

Thanks

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Mo' better, even though video is subpar.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1M-QtVkqJZA

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One of the best bands ever.   'JAZZ' is in the title, so there.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kuL2tsEEio

They were huge when I lived in El Paso, Texas.   Have always reminded me of the border and the Hispanic influences.

Not so much Tijuana Moods, but more like Juarez Moods. :)

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Da Blues!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QKWfcM1uR0

ain’t it the truth

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSq7HBJ7C3E

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"It always seemed curious to me how Parker got a hold of a plastic saxophone, I kind of pictured it as a cheap toy meant for pre-teens or something, bought at the last minute out of desperation. The only information I ever saw on it was that it was plastic (nothing on what type of plastic was used) and that Parker had pawned his own sax, hence the need for another one."

Steve Hoffman thought this. I wonder why and how?   He is a pro writer on music and gear.   Shouldn't he have known better?   If he didn't, why should us fans.

The Frogman has 20/20 hindsight.

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@Queen Mary

Senor Blues:   No one will ever best this performance.   Seems a bit slower and more deliberate than the CD I have, if memory serves me.

Sort of like Karl Bohm-Wiener,  doing LvB's Ninth.

Great Clip.

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"This record, as much as any other from the period, makes the case for Parker one last, brilliant time. Then you think about Parker arriving without his own horn, and having to borrow a Grafton saxophone — this dinky plastic alto with metal keys. It was just one more reason why this concert should have never happened, should have been a disaster. Should have never seen the light of day."

Review from 1953.

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I am probably under age.

@orpheus10 

Excellent!!!!   You are supposed to sprinkle snake dust all over your floor, and hang two chicken feet over the front door, before listening to this stuff.   Otherwise, My Cousin and Miles' mama might call on you.

Good Stuff from a true legend of Nawlins.

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For all you vinyl loving gear heads.   At least my room is bigger than his!!   And, we have the same chair. :)    Who wants Wilson speakers anyway.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H07NpWk_Xf8

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Seems to me, that if that was where he listened  doing his reviews of audio equipment, then they are all suspect, at the least.

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Fourth Stream?   Comments please.   I did like the Trumpet playing.   Wynton going Ellington on us?   Not sure if he pulled it off.

Excellent packaging and booklet with the 2CD set.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WUybOwH48E

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Tijuana Moods:

Great tune from one of the best.   All his stuff has a unique sound.

That table dance sounded more like it was  from Madrid than Tijuana.  The trumpet didn't have that Spanish(Mexican) sound either.

Not criticisms, just comments.  

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The gods of Yoruba:

Silver's outfit on the album cover filled me with dread.  Et tu Horace?

I surely cannot be critical of Silver, so I'll just say it wasn't my cup of tea.

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Today’s Listen:

Various Malian and Cuban Artists -- AFROCUBISM

At first I thought ’Cubism’ referred to the style of art used on the album cover. To my surprise it was referring to Cuba. I actually like this music.

There is history between Mali and Cuba dating back to the wars of independence and the military assistance given by Cuba. A lot of the African players studied music in Cuba.

Both of these countries have a rich and real music heritage. The percussion says Cuba as plain as the Trumpet on other discs say Mexico. The liner notes called this Malian / Cuban fusion. I think they nailed it. Unlike some other so-called ’Fusion’.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_RqNOejC58

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXUpp8RDosc

BTW, sometimes it's best not to know the translation of the lyrics. :)

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*****Rok, could you post that African lady dancing into the village with her troupe again, I can't remember her name.*****

I think The Frogman posted that.    Probably in his crusade to prove is Jazz African in origin. :)

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Today's Listen:

JAZZ FUTURES / LIVE IN CONCERT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAehUE38Ado

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahkITbtbuG8

They were indeed the future of Jazz.   I wonder what a current 'Jazz Futures' group would look and sound like.

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*****"The whole reason for Jazz at the Philharmonic was to take it to places where I could break down segregation and discrimination." Norman Granz, founder of Verve records*****

This is one of the most disgusting lies ever told.  This greedy man did the JATP thing for one reason, and that reason was MONEY.  He was not alone in exploiting black folks and their talents for personal gain.

I can assure you he made a lot more money from JATP than any player ever did.   He probably made more money than all the players combined.

And if he really wanted to break down segregation and discrimination, why didn't we have a JATP at Memphis?   New Orleans?  Miami? St Louis?   You get the picture.   He went to Seattle, Sweden, Japan, LA, NYC etc ...all the safe places.

I read, or at least tried to read his book.   What a load of BS.   I didn't know if I was reading about some greedy music 'promoter', or the life of MLK.  I soon put it down.   Weak stomach.

To profit off of people who are under total oppression, and at a severe disadvantage under which there could never be an equal relationship, is nothing to be proud of, even if it puts a few bucks in the pockets of the oppressed.

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It’s my understanding that this band, WAR, is not in that absurdity called the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame. Do you laugh or Cry? I think it’s a point in their favor.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0uytyTADT8

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I just know The Lord is testing me.   Just like he did Job.

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Al Haig: ?

See The Frogman's First Law of Jazz popularity.

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The American Class System is based on money, or lack thereof.   I'm good with that, because it allows movement up and down.   In England, where you are born, is where you stay.

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French Movie:

Check the size of the star on the Mercedes at 1:27.   WOW!!  Miles was great.   The French, as usual, act like over aged, over heated, teenagers.  I noticed that when I was in Europe.  The clubs and discos had an older crowd than you would find in the U.S.

Trying to make up for the years lost during the war?

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Rock and Roll was young, happy and romantic music aimed at teenagers.  It was destroyed by the drug crazed fiends called Rockers.  

They even wiped out this type of music:

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvzNeh4Mq1o

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*****because when you done heard one rocker screaming and wailing on a guitar, plus a drummer pounding my ear drums out, you done heard em all.*****

Absolutely!!   I didn't mean to say R&R harmed Doo Wop, it was Rock and Rockers.   It / they, ruined it for everyone.

All the loud noise, drugs, absurd dress and conduct, were required in order to cover up the lack of talent.  In the end It didn't work.  Most are forgotten already, but we are still talking about Mingus, Miles and Monk ertc.....

WAR:  I don't know how to classify them, but I put them in the same box as EW&F.    Since all popular music musicians seem to be put in the R&R HOF, as crazy as that is, WAR should have been there on day one.

I understand they were being considered in the same class with "Chic"   WTF!!!!

I said back in 2013 when this thread started, "we must defend the music".Everyone sneered.

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Wow!!!   I just assumed I was the only person on this thread that had ever heard of The Persuasions.   Great group.

Doo Wop is Rock & Roll for sure.   One of my favorites:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPKnHy6i2Wk

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*****Somebody said that rock was the white version of rock and roll.*****

Then somebody would be wrong. Two many great white rock and roll artist for that to be true. Elvis, Early Beatles, Elton John etc....

Rock&Roll, as I have said before, was mainly about teenage life and love. Everything from fast cars to broken hearts to slow drag at the prom.

Rock was always political in nature. The anti music. Violent and cynical. Without Viet Nam and the civil rights violence, it’s possible there would have been no such thing as Rock. It was not a happy or uplifting music. All your clips show this.

Your Highness (bowing as I back away)

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BTW,    *****Regarding rock, I strongly disagree with uncle*****

What more proof do I need to know that I am right about Rock.

Great explanation, but it does not change the facts.  You told us why they made irritating noises and acted like idiots.

Rok's first law of dress codes in Music:

The more bizarre, outrageous or revealing the outfits, the less is being said in the music.

Think, Miles, pre and post Bitches Brew.

Great post.  

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Today's Listen:

Oscar Peterson -- EXCLUSIVELY FOR MY FRIENDS

4CD Set

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TchwCy2ViIo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HoHX8bOnSXY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlUUbylwdnc

This music was recorded in the private home of a rich German Industrialist in the Black Forest area of Germany 1963-1968.  This resulted in 6 individual CDs being released.  All were combined onto 4CDs for this issue.

What pisses me off is that I paid serious money to get the CD 'Girl Talk' from Japan.  I had to have that album cover.   Should have done my research.

These clips are from CD#1

This man has never made a bad record.

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Rock and Roll:

And the truth shall set them free.   I guess Mr. Freed just appropriated the phrase.   Believe it or not, it has happened before.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ifxcDpc3u8

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The folks in the comments section say it’s Diana Krall singing ’Besame Mucho’. :(

Evora is the real deal.   I think she is from Peru.

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The Straw man Cometh.

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Hmmmmmmmmmmmm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tamC-M8TxtY

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I stand corrected.   Who is from Peru??

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Today's Listen:

Fats Navarro -- THE FATS NAVARRO STORY

I love this guy.   He is sort of like Dizzy with a much better tone.  This was during the change-over period.

He was dead at age 26.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mdt9heAoc4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWOmgV1Ppfw

A 4CD set.   It just may contain everything Fats ever did.  Highly recommended.  Seems as if All the future stars of Jazz appear at least once.   87 tunes in total.

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These babes sound like no others. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05w5ch9l6zI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18u-SNiICUk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KzGiuL-Cl0

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