@orpheus10
You seem to think of Jazz as some passing fad. There is no past, as Ellington said, there is good music and the other kind.
A hundred years from now, groups will still be playing Bach, Mozart etc... and Ellington, Mingus etc... also.
There is a reason it's called 'Classic'. Hell, even Motown will be with us for ages. Only the fluff gets blown away by the winds of time.
Get in the game. You supposed to be the OP!!
You should spend more time in America with real Jazz, and less in places like Peru with Andean post post bebop. Just a thought.
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Haiti has no culture. The word 'Culture' has to be the most misused word in the history of man.
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I want to see a show of hands, how many of you has ever met a person that practiced VooDoo as a religion? Raise your hands. My cousin, Marie LaVeau, does not count. Next question.
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I just know the Lord is testing me. Otherwise he would lift this burden from my mortal shoulders.
*****If “there is no past”, how can there be a future? So...why the “doom and gloom”?*****
I meant that, in the sense that ALL GOOD and TRUE JAZZ, is always in the present. Just like Classical Music. A conductor can have a 50 year career, and never conduct a piece of music composed by someone still living.
BUT, Jazz music has to be created yesterday, or it's old. WTF!!!
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*****Top 10 List of 2017*****
Excellent list. A lot of names I know and Love. I will have to check out the CDs listed. Thanks for posting.
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Live vs Studio:
If you are after the 'experience' of a musical event, live is not only better, it's required, regardless of the mistakes by the band or the inferior acoustics of the venue. You are there for the entire package. I was there! I saw Miles "live"! And the women.
If you are after hearing the music, hearing all the players, hearing what Miles had to say, the nuances, and you have been married for ages, then, being in your sweet spot, in front of your rig, with a cold one, is best.
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No doom and gloom as far as I can see.*****
Irby is a member of the establishment by age and Jazz played.
Doom and Gloom refers to the POSSIBILITY of the noise makers dominating Jazz in the future. I am confident Wynton will head them off at the pass, so to speak.
If a noise maker succeeds him at Lincoln Center, then all bets are off.
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Drumming:
Hollywood generated fiction. Whenever they show primitive people, be it Africa, India, or any Island folks, they always show drums. Mainly to show something erotic or dangerous. The folks that are beating on drums these days in third world countries, are doing so in response to Hollywood, not the other way around.
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Drums say: we attack at dawn, unless it's raining, then we wait until it stops, you attack from the east, we will come from the north, wait until I shoot first. We don't need no stinkin' prisoners. good luck.
This message also takes two puffs of smoke in Apache country.
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that is one of the most ridiculous comments I have read in this forum; second only to a recent comment about the irrelevance of Sonny Rollins.*****
No, No, No and finally NO. The most ridiculous statement ever posted on this forum, or any other forum in the Alpha Quadrant, was this:
"As Composers go, Stravinsky ranks right up there with Mozart".
It don't get more ridiculous than that. I can't recall the person that posted that monstrosity. Can I get some help with that, folks?
Your advice to 'Read up on the Subject', always amuses me. We are to read the writings of the very people who are the guilty parties in the first place, in order to get at the truth. FTW!!
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Jazz Queen of Croatia, heap bad medicine.
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*****we've been down this avenue before, they complain about the sociologist and the historian, so we give them the floor; now where are they?*****
He said "amateur" sociologist and historians'. I just assumed he was talking about The Frogman. Certainly not us.
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@orpheus10 :
You pick tunes from one of the most highly regarded Jazz recordings ever(abstract truth), and then one of Morgan's best performances from one of his Best recordings(The Cooker), so there is not much to say except it be good.
The Messenger clip was used as a theme for a French movie. I think I saw that movie while working in Atlanta. I used to frequent the 'Preach Tree Art Theater'. Mainly to get a better look at folks like Bridget Bardot. Otherwise, hated French movies, and anything associated with them. But this is Blakey. I did see 'Alfie' there. Great movie and theme song.
The Mingus cut, is from a CD by 'Mingus big Band', not Mingus himself. That influences what I think of it. Again good Jazz. Certainly not noise. But not 'genius at work'.
The Frogman will have to tell us why we really like this music.
I thought Moanin' and Tunisia were better than the originals. Which makes sense. Covers should be better, otherwise, why do them.
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Rok, I know Wynton is your main man, but Africa in "hard-bop" is truly rediculous. That's where the trolly jumped the tracks; he might as well said that African Americans are speaking in "Ojibway" or some tribal language without knowing it.*****
I didn't read the article, but I have heard it all before. SOME black people love the idea of anything being traced back to Africa. They want so badly want to have an 'Old Country', like the European groups in this country. They are in search of their 'culture', while overlooking the tremendous contributions they have made to this culture.They think saying something is from Africa gives it gravitas and importance. BS!
Back in the day a lot of black folk wore their hair in an 'Afro' style, well, I have never seen Africans wear their hair like that, and I knew quite a few in Germany and in college. We went through the Dashiki stuff. We give our children stupid names, thinking they are African in origin. BS!! They also want to be African partly because they felt rejected by this country. A Psychiatrist would have a field day figuring all this out. It's complicated.
So, if a Jazz player has a choice of saying my music originated on a cotton plantation in Mississippi(for instance), or in some mythical Kingdom in Africa, guess what sports fans? Remember, we have also been convinced that the most horrible / degrading thing a human being can be required to do, is pick cotton.
Wynton was saying what was expected of him. Nothing more. If that's the price to stay at Lincoln Center, so be it. He is still the most important man in Jazz.
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******"First, the fact that any one listener cannot “hear” African rhythms as the listener knows and understands them in jazz does not mean that those rhythms are not there; or, at least, serve as the foundation for those jazz rhythms as they are understood. It is like insisting that European based chord progressions and harmony do not exist in the music because the listener cannot hear them as such."******
The Frogman is saying that just because we amateurs(you & me) can't hear the African stuff as we understand African stuff, i.e. Hollywood, that does not mean the African stuff is not there.
That's a fair statement.
HOWEVER, I have asked The Frogman on many occasions to post a clip of Jazz in which he can then point out to us the African stuff as we listen. Of course he would also have to compare it with indigenous African music from the 17th century. Nothing!
Apparently he is accepting this stuff on blind faith.
Food for thought. Back in the 20s and early 30s, white people said they had invented Jazz. Where was the African crowd then? Just asking.
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The Train and the River:
Loved it!! Sort of reminded me of Stravinsky's "Soldier's Tale".
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John Wright:
Excellent!! Was not familiar with him. Judging by the price of his CDs on Amazon, he will placed on 'the one that got away' list.
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Randy Weston:
A good player that spent his entire career in some ridiculous attempt to connect Jazz with Africa. A complete waste of time, and the worst album cover art in all of Jazz. Reminded me of that thingy from ’The Time Machine’(1960).
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Someone posted that Lenny called Ornette Coleman a Genius. Had to check him out. I only have three The Sound museum CDs and this one. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMpulMxkzoc
The folks on the cover, are guys in Africa who make themselves up like women to attract, women????
women? Don't ask me, I just work here.
Well Aficionados, what's the verdict?? Genius?
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*****None of their tribe took the long boat ride across the Atlantic.*****
Just proves the old saying,"you can always find a reason to say Thank you Jesus".
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No less an authority than The Frogman once said, unknown players are generally unknown for a reason. I fail to hear the improvisation in some of this smooth / sensitive /cool stuff. Makes me want to ask, "where' the Jazz".
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Dizzy's Big 4: I have that CD. They sure were in a hurry. But Dizzy always seemed to be in a rush. (too many notes?) :) Never did like the Tone of Dizzy's trumpet. But, he is one artist I think I need to look at again. You reach a point in buying Jazz, that you stop and ask yourself, "now, who did I miss". I think I missed a lot of Dizzy. Gotta go back. Thanks for the clips
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For Musicians Only: Much better. Great Sax playing by both. Dizzy a little more subdued. I wonder if there is any significance to the title. Cheers |
No Room for Squares:
Got this one last week, the same time as Liz Wright and Rene Marie. Have not listened to it yet. If the clip is any indication, it should be a winner.
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The biggest outrage is that, the greatest trumpet player to come out of the South since Pops, Kid Rok, didn't even make the unappreciated list. What's up with that?? Bogus I Cry!!!
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Her Majesty is feeling her oats. Cheers |
Interesting 'sounds'. Nothing more. No drums, no horns, no piano.
You read my mind in a sense. I was going to submit a post "man can't live on bebop alone". But My clip would have been of the 'Fairfield Four'. You stole my thunder. Cheers |
Great art clip. The Dutch were truly Masters. The detail is amazing.
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Why O-10, you are just a Ray of Sunshine this morning.
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"The Past Is Never Dead. It's Not Even Past."
William Faulkner
This is esp true in the South. So I am actually stuck in what some call the past, but I call the present. I always use the present tense when talking about these folks.
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Alex, thanks for the info.
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I do try to look for New Jazz. This is one of my newest CDs, but when I put it in the player, Old Jazz comes out. What's An Aficionado to do??
Caution: OLD JAZZ may cause Ear Hemorrhaging. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4BTB3BfIcrw
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"Sound Generation" comes to mind. At least none of the commentators called it Jazz.
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