Mary Jo, you have made a permanent contribution to this thread. Thanks again.
"And they shall be led by a Queen from the East." -- The Good Book
Cheers
"And they shall be led by a Queen from the East." -- The Good Book
Cheers
Jazz for aficionados
Jazz for aficionados
I'm going to review records in my collection, and you'll be able to decide if they're worthy of your collection. These records are what I consider "must haves" for any jazz aficionado, and would be found in their collections. I wont review any record that's not on CD, nor will I review any record if the CD is markedly inferior. Fortunately, I only found 1 case where the CD was markedly inferior to the record.
Our first album is "Moanin" by Art Blakey and The Jazz Messengers. We have Lee Morgan , trumpet; Benney Golson, tenor sax; Bobby Timmons, piano; Jymie merrit, bass; Art Blakey, drums.
The title tune "Moanin" is by Bobby Timmons, it conveys the emotion of the title like no other tune I've ever heard, even better than any words could ever convey. This music pictures a person whose down to his last nickel, and all he can do is "moan".
"Along Came Betty" is a tune by Benny Golson, it reminds me of a Betty I once knew. She was gorgeous with a jazzy personality, and she moved smooth and easy, just like this tune. Somebody find me a time machine! Maybe you knew a Betty.
While the rest of the music is just fine, those are my favorite tunes. Why don't you share your, "must have" jazz albums with us.
Enjoy the music.
I'm going to review records in my collection, and you'll be able to decide if they're worthy of your collection. These records are what I consider "must haves" for any jazz aficionado, and would be found in their collections. I wont review any record that's not on CD, nor will I review any record if the CD is markedly inferior. Fortunately, I only found 1 case where the CD was markedly inferior to the record.
Our first album is "Moanin" by Art Blakey and The Jazz Messengers. We have Lee Morgan , trumpet; Benney Golson, tenor sax; Bobby Timmons, piano; Jymie merrit, bass; Art Blakey, drums.
The title tune "Moanin" is by Bobby Timmons, it conveys the emotion of the title like no other tune I've ever heard, even better than any words could ever convey. This music pictures a person whose down to his last nickel, and all he can do is "moan".
"Along Came Betty" is a tune by Benny Golson, it reminds me of a Betty I once knew. She was gorgeous with a jazzy personality, and she moved smooth and easy, just like this tune. Somebody find me a time machine! Maybe you knew a Betty.
While the rest of the music is just fine, those are my favorite tunes. Why don't you share your, "must have" jazz albums with us.
Enjoy the music.
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Today's Listen: Donald Byrd -- THE DEFINITIVE CLASSIC BLUE NOTE COLLECTION 10 Complete Albums on 5CDs. These two clips are from the Album 'NEW PERSPECTIVE' Both include a Gospel Choir (sort of). More importantly they include Hank Mobley, Kenny Burrell, Herbie Hancock. Arrangments by Duke Pearson https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5ujEFsaInk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J14zWJhgtkk Cheers |
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the obvious fact that, probably without exception, every respected jazz historian and musicologist believes and has written about jazz’ roots in African (and others) cultures?***** It may be a FACT that they believe and write this, it is not a FACT that it's true. ***** Or, the fact that most jazz musicians believe this firmly? ***** Jazz musicians should stay in their lanes. They are not historians. What gives them any special insight into Africa? ***** Aren’t you the least bit curious as to what is behind all this? Have you read anything on the subject? Just wondering. I KNOW what's behind all this. Liberal BS. They are doing three things, (1) all their minions on the democratic/liberal plantation, just love the idea of ANYTHING positive having an African origin. Makes them and the Africans feel better about themselves. (2) Most of the slaves on the democratic/liberal plantation just think that saying ANYTHING is from Africa, is just so freaking cool. It gives them a connection to their "old country" that does not, and never did exist. No one wants to say Jazz originated in Mississippi. It's as simple as that. (3) they are saying to Africa-Americans that you did not create this wonderful music, you have not created anything, in fact it was created by some bush people in Africa. It's not that such a much. This slams the music and the people at the same time, while appearing to be their friend. Two words of advise: (1)Never believe ANYTHING written, about black folks, by white folks. (2)Never believe ANYTHING written, about black folks, by black folks. Follow these two words of wisdom and you can't go wrong. Everyone has an agenda, and it ain't the truth. And last but not least: ***** The fact that a tremendous amount of information has been provided to show the link?***** Please, Please, enlighten us with some of this information and some of these so-called links. Next question. Cheers |
Today's Listen: Jerry Gonzalez & The Fort Apache Band -- OBATALA Great group with a silly name. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQ-T0BhIHG8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ya43uhmuj7Q From a different CD that I don't own, But I saw this and it reminded me of the first post on this thread and it is a favorite of the OP. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_YIxPNJqCI Cheers |
As Ordered: Dizzy Gillespie and Machito -- AFRO-CUBAN JAZZ MOODS I have never considered him a favorite of mind, to my ear is tone is slightly irritating, but, I like him here. I should listen to him more. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBUjYwDC2oA Cheers |
Bird: I have that CD. One of the few with decent sound quality. I will listen for the things you point out. I have the tendency to think of Bird and Dizzy as just a torrent of notes at light speed. Not true. If this don't send you to South Sudan, nothing will. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ubnidspois4 Cheers |
The Frogman: The question was asked and answered. If you think black folks in the entertainment business during that era had true freedom to speak their minds, you are not thinking. They were totally at the mercy of the movers and shakers. Transport any or all of the players involved in these Jazz 'interviews' to present day America, and you get an entirely different answer to all the questions. For instance, throughout Jazz you will find comments and music attacking segregation and racism in the South. What about racism and segregation in NYC? No one ever mentioned that. At least no one that wanted a career. Cheers |
O-10: Well, he has fallen back to his usual position when he loses the argument. Throws out a lot of words in a critique that sounds impressive to non-musicians, but could be BS. We don't know. I think the correct critique is whether or not you like it. The rest be damned. Just school house BS. When his answer to the history of this country and NYC, is to say that Wynton wanted to fire all the white guys at JALC!!! It's time to call it a day and head for the house. As always, truth wins out. And we all know the truth. We all, always do know the truth.. Lets get back to the music. This ruckus has already revived one unpleasant, moronic corpse from the past. Cheers |
I thought the Charlie Parker Played BeBop was wonderful. It was for children. Children. You do know what they are? The music was NOT played by Bird. Did you notice that? It was not meant to be serious Jazz. Only someone who takes himself a little too serious would not see this. Have you ever heard the classical pieces written for children? Demonstrates and explains the different instruments. Man, you need to lighten up. Just a tad. Listen to these. More magic actually performed by children. Please do not say the originals sound better. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFIMTkNDobU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DA3i0M65U-s Cheers |
Today's Revelation: Jon Hendricks and the All-Stars -- BOPPIN' AT THE BLUE NOTE One of the great examples of Jazz Album art. Check Wynton on vocals. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DL_zapo9cIA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5Mx2Qbr0WE Cheers |
There is no such thing as too much of a good thing. Jon Hendricks and Friends -- FREDDIE FREELOADER The 'friends' include: Benson, McFerrin, Basie Orchestra, Wynton, Turrentine, Flanagan, Al Grey and The Manhattan Transfer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-E71F8CcVE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8sDtgFTTblc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iA10wT2Gtl8 Cheers |
These guys forgot their Ball Caps and Tank Tops, but they managed to put on a fairly decent performance. Shows it can be done. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYgow060zOg Cheers Btw, this is called Jazz. |
If this don't make you think you're in Africa, nothing will. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-d7gfTmbhUY&list=RD-d7gfTmbhUY#t=202 Who says opera diva can't swing. Sort of. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOZ0mOoXD-c Cheers |
Today's Listen: Art Farmer -- SOMETHING TO LIVE FOR: The Music of Billy Strayhorn https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeJykMRbFPk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iac2f1bGxbI Cheers |
Sun Cubano: Love it. Very nice post. I can hear Spain, Africa and Cuba. Spain because of the singing style. Africa because of the percussion, and Cuba because we won't hear anything like this that is native to Spain or Africa, so it's gotta be of Cuban origin. When I hear the Blues, Gospel, Spirituals and Jazz, I hear the USA, primarily, the Southern USA. Ain't nothing like it anywhere else. Cheers |
Today's Listen: The title suggests some sort of Treme meets The Big Apple. Both players from New Orleans. Both studied at the New Orleans Center fo the Creative Arts(NOCCA). Terence studied under Ellis Marsalis, Donald under Alvin Batiste in Baton Rouge. Both went North to study classical. Terence at Rutgers, Donald at Berklee. Both seemed to have survived the ordeal with their New Orleans instincts intact. So nice to see a cover with serious young Jazz players. Both were playing in the Blakey group when this was recorded. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eoWANgGSGp4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpCf2jH5vsA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkN1XXfaCxE Cheers |
Today's Exploration: THE ORIGINAL MAMBO KINGS: AN INTRODUCTION TO AFRO-CUBOP Machito Orch with Mario Bauza, Machito Orch with Flip Phillips, Machito Orch with Charlie Parker, Dizzy Gillespie and his Orchestra and Andre's All Stars(Bebo Valdes). Did this mesh of Cuban and Bebop work? At least as Parker and Dizzy played bebop. Does 'Cubop' still exist? Of all the heavyweights involved I liked The Andre All Stars best. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_V_ff9Y9aWw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJI-ZTVpRcI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_H3fuAiOYXc Cheers |
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this notion goes completely counter to everything authoritative that has been written or said on the subject.***** Ridiculous statement. Stop and think for a moment, of all the 'authoritative' things that have been written throughout history. Sometimes 'Authoritative' documents can land people into everything from the back of the bus to gas chambers and ovens. So, no more about 'Authoritative' statements written by the 'authorities'. Cheers |
Organ Players: While attending school in Endicott, NY, my friends and I hung out at a bar in Binghamton, NY, called Gentleman Joe's. Google it. Apparently Coltrane played there in 1962. They had a fantastic organ player who led a group called 'John and the baptist' (I think that's correct). A trio. He was white, about 5'5", his girl friend was black and about 6'4". They made quite a pair. But boy, could he play. Gentleman Joe was a retired fighter. May have fought Sugar Ray, or at least sparred with him. The REAL Sugar Ray. Pictures all over the wall behind the bar. Great times. A zillion (friendly) girls, all from Georgia. :) Which helped because we were from Atlanta. Maybe they were making McIntosh??? Cheers |
Today's F-150 Cruise: I thought the OP lived in St Louis, Not Detroit. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8PjjxJ7v78 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2S9PkUTPlCk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bncm9dH0czQ 'Saber-toothed neighbors'. Great phrase. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIWg95lnccc Great tunes. Cheers |
Bird: Love these clips, but I don't think the strings added anything. I guess the 'Authorities' wanted to make Bird mo'better. Never knew there was a video of this. Music of Thomas 'Fats' Waller. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gE8_MxJCsqg Fabulous music. Cheers |
Well, The Frogman is right about one thing, My Burden is Great. Africa: There can be two logical points of view: (1) Humankind started in Africa, Therefore EVERYTHING human, is of AFRICAN Origin. I am sure some guy on some day hummed a sound, or beat on a log or the ground, in some pattern, or chanted as a group. i.e., they did something that could be considered a musical event. According to this logic, All music made by humans since then, is of African origin. Jazz, Classical, Chinese Opera etc.. Coltrane, Beethoven, Vatroslav Lisinski, and even the noise maker Stravinsky. All played African music. (2) Things are a lot more complicated. The type of music that arose in the various areas of the world is based of many factors. Lets stay with Black music in the Americas. Black folks in places such as Cuba, Haiti, Brazil and other central and south american countries were in an entirely different situation than those in North America. Three major factors account for this. The climate The nature of the economy Religion of Colonial power The nature of Slavery within these countries Countries in tropical climates with slaves, where the colonial power was of the Catholic religion, made little or no attempt to assimilate slaves into the society. They kept a lot of the things they brought from Africa, including music, family units, and some religious practices. These things are readily apparent in these countries today. America is, and has always been an assimilation machine. Millions of emigrants from Europe came here speaking German, Polish, Italian, Russian, Yiddish and God knows what else. How often do you hear them today? They are American now. Same with the African slaves. They were taught Christianity. Had to speak English. Sang English church music Families that did exist were broken up. --- No African Music. No African language. No African Religion. No African families No African anything. And last but not least, slavery in America was a property issue, not a racial one. You could be black and free in America. No so in other p[laces. I have read that almost 30% of slaves in New Orleans were held by other black folks. Sorry for the length. Cheers |
You want me to prove a negative. Prove that there is no African influence. That's like proving audiophiles can't hear wire. No no. You show the PROOF that Jazz is of African origin. Show musical examples. Post a clip, say from the Blue Note era, and point out the African influence. You have let your arrogance write a check, the facts can't cash. Forget Wiki and all that agenda driven crap. Show us the music. You are a pro, this should be easy. Cheers |
You made the statement. (African influence in Jazz) You now should show us why you made it. I know, I won't get it. I know, it will be over my head. I know, only a school-trained musician like yourself would be able to hear it, but just this once, step down from music Olympus and humor us mortals. Cheers |
O-10: You are wasting time trying to reason with The Wikiman. My Grandmother, bless her heart, used to always say,"there is such a thing as too much education". Or maybe 'education' that was not properly understood. This man puts his faith in wiki writers, when as a pro, he should know better. Maybe if I posted a few 'authoritative' clippings from Castro's newspaper he would get the point. All this reminds me of Hank Arron and Babe Ruth. Ruth the greatest player of all time. Hit 714 home runs. WOW!! The along comes Arron. As he closed in on the Babe, the media was going crazy. Will he, can he?? The day after Arron broke the Babe, for the first time in my life I begin to hear the media talk about a Japanese player, last name was OH. He had 900 or some such number of home runs in the Japanese leagues. WTF??? Who the hell, is OH? Where did he come from? Well, according to the 'authoritative media', he is actually the REAL home run king of pro baseball. Moral: It can be ANYONE except black Americans. This was very important to a large number of people of that era. Can't be over stated. Back in the 20's when white folks claimed they created Jazz, there was no mention of Africa then. If every thing that has happened in Jazz. I mean EVERYTHING had happened just as it did, down to each note ever played, with one exception: All the people were white, we would not be having any talk of Africa. The racists view is that we carry everything around in our genes. If the wiki site goes down, The Wiki-man will be speechless and thoughtless. Cheers |
Chuck Berry: King of the music that was young and fun. Teenage romance and big, fast, over the top American cars. I will always be thankful I was young during those days. Of course this was before the drug-addicted, angry, anti-romance stuff called 'Rock' came along. Rock is to Rock & Roll, what some of this current so-called Jazz, is to real Jazz. Great Loss. Cheers |
Here we are talking about lists, and The Jazz Queen is patiently waiting, all dressed up, with her dancing shoes on, and it’s Saturday night. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GeoZQMXKKE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4D65nZa6AyQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5eE04D0HaA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAppuFx1Q6E https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9Khum2Hedk Cheers |
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Just a thought, I believe that nobody thinks that 'bop' or any other art form 'came out of the blue' ? Or do you?***** Black people are in this country since before 1619. First birth of African child around 1613.(wiki) Bop started around the mid 40's. That' a span of 326 years. That's longer than the USA has been a Country. 'Out of the Blue' Indeed!! Cheers |
Today's Antidote: Oscar Peterson Trio -- NIGHT TRAIN After all that Wiki BS, nothing like Oscar to clear the air. Back to what's good and true. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ffnx4wfZUY8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3s4UX0E3chI Cheers Apologies for the obvious African influence. |
O-10: This was recommended from another thread. On the Blue Note Label. You are the broadest minded aficionado on this thread. What do you think? What is it? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3a3RxVTuNc Judging by his name, I thought he was some old timer that used to play with Pops. Silly me. I saw this after clicking of the first clip. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1MbKD1DRwM |
Great Post O-10. If I may add: Black music is the ONLY music that was created in America. The only music Indigenous to this country. That fact just drives some folks nuts. Makes them do desperate and futile searches on Google / Wiki trying to gain some relief from their pain. Reminds of what the kid said to "Shoeless" Joe Jackson, "Say it ain't so Joe, say it ain't so. Sorry kid, it's so. Now, if we want some actual evidence of 'influence', you can find it in Europe. Evidence that all other 'American' music came from Europe. You can hear it today, in any European town / village. They still play it. They still dance to it just like they do here. Country and Western, Bluegrass, Mountain music, being the best examples. Right out of Scotland / Ireland. Cheers |
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t has progressed beyond childish and tedious to generally unpleasant, becoming a good reason not to follow this thread or at least your contributions to it.***** Well, I certainly would not want to diminish the interest of potential contributors to the thread. Maybe what I need is a short 'Time Out'. However, I will be 'lurking'. Cheers |