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Re: Egberto Gismonti - Café / Sapain / Dança Solitária No. 2 / Baião Malandro
Believe it or not, I have this CD. I can still 'see' the review on the pages of 'Stereo Review.' One of the few times they steered me wrong on music. I am sure it's great for what it is, just not my thing. You can't get away from the Blues, you just can't do it.
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Kathleen Battle sure is purty, I could watch her sing all day long.*****
Aaugh!!!
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Jazz Critics Poll:
Good news -- My High school classmate and band mate was listed twice!
Bad News -- I did not recognize anyone else, save the the reissue crowd. :(
Thanks for the post.
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Dixieland vs Real Jazz??? It's the blues, or, the lack thereof.
Al Jarreau died. Great Jazz singer. He was there as I began my Jazz journey.
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What happened to detente??
Just asking.
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King Pleasure:
I have never heard of this guy. Nice enough session. Reminded me of Jon Hendricks, of Lambert, Hendricks and Ross fame. Same type of music.
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Reminds me of:
B.B. KING: " A good fool is hard to find."
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Denise LaSalle: Woman to her best girl friend, "I think your husband is cheating on us."
As Willie Dixon said, "The blues is the truth."
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East Coast vs West Coast:
Why were all the East Coast guys black and all the West Coast guys white?
Answer:
The East, primarily NYC, was Mecca for all musicians, esp those coming from the Mid-West and the South. NYC was the final destination for the arts long before LA and the West Coast.
So, if I were a second rate horn player where would I go to earn fame and fortune? I could go to NYC and butt heads with Miles, Hubbard, Morgan, Dizzy, sticking with trumpets, but the same applies to all instruments and musicians.
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I could go to LA where Jazz had no history or establishment and try my luck there. Also no large Black audiences to please. It being the land of the movies, most folks there were air heads anyway. Or course we know that "genres" are created to fit players. How else do we explain a guy like Brubeck playing 'West Coast jazz'? I think he would have liked nothing better than to be top dog with the East Coast, or 'Real Jazz' crowd, but everyone has to eat.
At one time the Jazz scene in Southwest Idaho was jumping. I think it was called no-coast Jazz. Don't get me started on Nebraska Bop!
The logical, or illogical, extension of this is Benny Goodman being crowned "The King Of Jazz." This at a time when almost any Jazz giant you can name was alive and playing.
One Frenchman's opinion.
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How long do you think this virus had been circulating in China before they went public?
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Much of the latest music is "disonant"; not in the strict definition of the word, but it lacks a coherent theme that you can feel and identify with; the musician can't find something outside of himself to draw inspiration from; therefore his music is without life.*****
I think you just nailed it. My thoughts exactly. No wonder you be op.
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Oh, and btw, Benny Goodman was never crowned "King Of Jazz", he was first called "King Of Swing" in 1936; and for good reason. Swing (a very specific style of jazz) and the Swing Era was touched off by Benny Goodman well before most of the great players one can name. For perspective's sake, Bird recorded his first record in 1944.*****
Goodman is one of the Good Guys of Jazz. He did not call himself the King of anything. The media did that. As our President keeps telling us, the are the biggest liars on the planet.
But anyway, the Ken Burns Jazz set tells of how they wanted to make Goodman the 'King' of Jazz, but that was too far even for the biggest liars, so they settled for Kng of Swing.
Bird recorded in 19944? That was sort of late in the recorded history of Jazz. Think of all the guys whose careers were interrupted by the war, and continued while in uniform.
As Wynton said in the Ken Burns project,"if you are talking about Jazz, you're talking about race".
Long Live Detente !!!!
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*****My definition of "Jazz" is that music that came after the "Bird"; he was the most influential man in the history of jazz.*****
Well, I tend to think Pops was the most influential man in Jazz. Certainly the most Important. And he came BEFORE bird, so I will give you the chance to 'rephrase' :). For some reason I never took to Bird or Dizzy. The sound quality of their records may be to blame for that.
*****The current music people call jazz is lost, it's like a river looking for an ocean, meandering all over the place. *****
Well said. They never find the ocean, just a stagnant lake.
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It's not a river looking for an ocean, it's not even water looking for a river, it's like clouds on a sunny day, in the middle of a severe drough,t trying to come together to create rain.
And to think Blanchard is from New Orleans. Childhood friend of Wynton, Played with Blakey. The reincarnation of Pops. WTF!!!
And it was in Rotterdam. They look to the USA to show the way in Jazz.
When the drummer took the stage wearing a tank top, I knew all I needed to know. You can tell a lot by how they dress.
I do have him on CD doing better things. Maybe I'll post some of his stuff.
BTW, he is huge in movie music. Sad day in The Big Easy.
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Old Music vs New Music:
Old and new do not refer to the date the music is created, played or recorded. Old and new refer to a style of music. As Jelly Roll said, Jazz is a way, or style, of playing music. That's why tunes like 'Nature Boy' and 'When Johnny Comes Marching Home', can be Jazz tunes.
The notion / sense, that Jazz must 'progress' or 'Improve' or move on to something Mo' Better is the major problem. It is only in the Jazz genre that we have this situation.
Classical Orchestras all over the world play music hundreds of years old everyday. The music is considered the heights of western civilization. Country singers wish they could be like Hank Williams or Dottie West. Folks in the mountains still worship Bill Monroe.
But in Jazz, we must have New Jazz. Mo' better Jazz. 'Modern' Jazz. And if you can't play a lick, 'Free' Jazz.
I listened to the Jazz music that I do, because it is the best created so far. On my rack, Miles sits right next to Mozart. Both, Giants in their genre.
I could junk Mozart in favor of Philip Glass. After all, his music is 'Modern'. Yeah right.
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I signed up for detente and I will keep my word.
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What happened to Detente? Did I dream it all? Fake Detente??
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What happened to the Goodman posts?
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Yes, Yes and Yes. Also, since I know where they are going, since you have posted them before, what is the point in listening to them.
Hmmmmmmmmm........I think I got that right.
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I am also relieved that you liked it since the significance of George Lewis in the history of this music is huge and anyone who doesn’t undertand this has no business claiming to be a jazz "aficionado". *****
How Dare You!! You disrespect the contributions of folks like Lewis everyday on this thread. Stick with the folks you promote.
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I’m sorry, but you can’t call yourself a Jazz aficionado if you can’t even list artists from this century. Jazz is a living, breathing art form.
Wow!! On his very first post on Audiogon, he defines Jazz and gives the criteria for being considered an 'aficionado'. Which apparently, we ain't. Save The Frogman, of course. Some folks seem to think Jazz is something akin to the old teenage music listed on the 'top forty' or 'hit parade'. Everyone was famous for a while, measured in weeks. Jazz is more like Classical Music. It does not get old. It's timeless. Louis Armstrong, Duke Ellington, Charlie Mingus, etc....... will be listened to, and talked about for centuries after those noise makers you listed (McBride excepted) are completely forgotten. In fact, most are forgotten already. The Frogman's First Law. You need to check out the Dick Clark thread. See what's 'new'. Cheers |
Questions To The Frogman:
I was listening to Opera today, Carmen on CD. There was a section where a military bugle sounded from a distance and then got closer and closer. Question: How is that effect done? Is it just a matter of playing softly, then progressively louder?
Thanks
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So Spricht Der Froschmann.
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Today's Listen: Gabor Szabo -- MORE SORCERY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xJC20dmqJkBrings back wonderful memories of Europe and the Cold War. Those were the days. Der Froschmann: The only thing that you know that others on this thread might not know, is music terminology. You can describe things using terms taught in some schoolhouse. That's it. As far as appreciating Jazz goes, well that's another story. Cheers |
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O-10:
Will be out of town for a day or two. Going to Big D. Hold the fort.
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Thanks again. Great info.
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Many opera scores call for singers and/or musicians to sing or play off stage in the wings in addition to the orchestra in the orchestra pit and singers on stage.*****
Yes. This is what I think happened in this case. That's exactly how it sounded.
Thanks
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He never gave me a straight answer, but reading between the lines, he lacked confidence in his ability to communicate in writing.*****
DAS NIEMALS DAS FROGMAN STOPPEN!!
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I know I have owned Shadowfax LPs in the past. I can visualize the album art, but, after checking my LP printout, I don't see Shadowfax listed. I may have given it away during one of my many moves. I left many a LP in Germany and Korea.
Today's Listen:
No Youtube :(
Various -- PROJECT G-7: A TRIBUTE TO WES MONTGOMERY
Players include: Kenny Burrell, Gene Bertoncini, Ted Dunbar, Kevin Eubanks, Rodney Jones and Jack Wilkins. Guitar players all.
Excellent CD. Could not find it on the tube.
The Leopold String Trio -- Mozart Divertimento in E flat K563
Not Jazz, but it does remind one of, and demonstrates The Duke's first law of music. Played at volume this is just awesome!
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A lot of Opera, esp Italian Opera, is the blues. :)
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Without woman, none of us would be here. *****
I keep telling yall, that OP is smart.
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Mary Jo,
When you reprint the post to which you are responding, it's smaller and fainter. How do you do that?
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This centers around what the election drama has been alleged to be, and believe me, it is very important.***** I don't get the connection to the recent election. It is hard for me to stay focused on Japanese stuff. What exactly does a record Producer do? The only CD I have with CTI as the only label listed https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4OjuCA-SsJMI was shocked to see how much CTI and ECM I had on LP. A Lifetime ago. Cheers |
