Jazz for aficionados


Jazz for aficionados

I'm going to review records in my collection, and you'll be able to decide if they're worthy of your collection. These records are what I consider "must haves" for any jazz aficionado, and would be found in their collections. I wont review any record that's not on CD, nor will I review any record if the CD is markedly inferior. Fortunately, I only found 1 case where the CD was markedly inferior to the record.

Our first album is "Moanin" by Art Blakey and The Jazz Messengers. We have Lee Morgan , trumpet; Benney Golson, tenor sax; Bobby Timmons, piano; Jymie merrit, bass; Art Blakey, drums.

The title tune "Moanin" is by Bobby Timmons, it conveys the emotion of the title like no other tune I've ever heard, even better than any words could ever convey. This music pictures a person whose down to his last nickel, and all he can do is "moan".

"Along Came Betty" is a tune by Benny Golson, it reminds me of a Betty I once knew. She was gorgeous with a jazzy personality, and she moved smooth and easy, just like this tune. Somebody find me a time machine! Maybe you knew a Betty.

While the rest of the music is just fine, those are my favorite tunes. Why don't you share your, "must have" jazz albums with us.

Enjoy the music.
orpheus10

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We have all heard the thingy -- "A Face That Only A Mother Could Love"..

In the same vein, We can now add -- "Music That Only A Musician Could Love".

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After listening to Hyman play The Viper's Drag, reminded of this.  I love this stuff.  No video.  Criminal.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwl0uLA4jM4&index=17&list=PLU_nnz-RXpdgHDOHS3YswbyH6s-eDlDNx

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SnbccXiTesI&list=PLU_nnz-RXpdgHDOHS3YswbyH6s-eDlDNx&index=16

The Frogman:
What is meant by 'uptown' and 'downtown' in NYC?

Great stuff with Hyman.

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Pat Metheny:

Slammed by Marsalis in the same sentence in which he slammed Miles.

Coming from Wynton, it cannot be ignored.

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Today's Listen:

Hampton Hawes -- HAMPTON HAWES TRIO VOL. 1

Another great one addicted to Heroin, dead at 48, and he didn't even record for BN.   Sentenced to 10 years in jail in Texas.  pardoned by JFK after 3 years.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8iSgxAZUtk the most

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_oMwwwOANI hamp's

Seems to be a whole lot of in your face quoting on this one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWxJeaTm8sg

Great Player..

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You guys are making me spend money.  I have to get some of Teddy Edwards.   How did I miss him?

O-10:  There is a box set of Grant Green on Amazon.   Seems to contain all the stuff I don't have:
   four CD set containing eight albums from the Jazz great: Grant's First Stand, Green Street, Grantstand, Reaching Out, Born to Be Blue, the Latin Bit and Sunday Morning. Real Gone Jazz.

I think I will get the  'Complete with Sonny Clark' also.

Maybe he could play a little bit.  Sometimes.  In spite of being from St Louis.  hahahaha   Just messin' with you OP.

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Today's Listen:

Benny Carter -- FURTHER DEFINITIONS

Saxophonists Galore.  Players include,  Benny carter, Phil Woods, Coleman Hawkins and Charles Rouse.  Awesome playing all around.

I wonder if any of you so-called aficionados can list the order of the Sax soloist on 'Honey Suckle Rose' and 'Cotton Tail'?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3W6wxCHXmJE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgatnU6AakM

If you get them all correct, you get a leather bound volume of every word / post that O-10 has ever uttered on Grant Green.  

(Only 4 million copies left.  More on the way.)

If you don't get them all correct, you get Three(3) copies of the leather bound volume, plus the supplement on Japan.

Full disclosure:  These collectible quality volumes have already been published in Japan.  They are flying off the shelves.


Good Luck.  I know The Frogman will burn the midnight oil on this one.

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The Latin Bit:

Great tune lineup.  Besame Mucho, Brazil, and Grenada.  Reminds me of the first LP I ever fell in love with  "The Soul Of Spain" by the 101 Strings.   The one I would add would be "Begin The Beguine".

I got the "Definitive Classic Blue Note Collection of Donald Byrd" today.  Also Duke Pearson's "Dedication".  Will report later.

Also the book "The CIA World Fact Book 2015".  Everything you could ever want to know about anything.

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***** Cotton Tail:. Short solo by Hawkins, then Carter-Rouse-Woods and then Hawkins again.*****

*****Honysuckle:  Rouse-Woods-Hawkins-Carter*****

Unbelievable!!  Grand PooBah of Jazz Indeed!!

The title does not do you justice Sir!!

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 stereotypical jazz :

I would use the phrase, 'run-of-the-mill'.

Run-of-the-mill --  not outstanding in quality or rarity.  Ordinary.  Average.  --- webster

I would add: going thru the motions.   Blowing session.   Technically correct but without any passion or emotion.  Boring.  Your mind drifts when you listen to it.  by the book.  Routine.  typical.

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Coltrane:

I sense another 'ruckus' coming.   But you are right about Jazz players not needing to practice.   Look at me for instance,  I never practiced, and how many Trumpet players can say they had the Military Career I had.  Proves the case.

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This is the first Williams CD I purchased.  The cover picture was a large reason why.  So Classy.   Has "1940's" written all over it.  I can remember when women dressed like that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXveXHcVsrI

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I purchased the Donal Byrd Blue Note Collection.  5 CDs, 10 complete albums.  Have not played it yet  It's not a BN release! A Label called  "Enlightment".  Help me Jesus.

I have the Three Sounds set also.  There is nothing wrong with the sound, they just aren't as good as we remember them.  Anemic sound.  Of the box set crowd,  "Chrome Dreams" and "Real gone Jazz" seem to be reliable labels.   And anything by "Rhino".

I think I have all the Morgan and Silver I want on separate CDs. Although if I were just starting out, the boxed sets would be the way to go.

The Classic albums sets are good to get, for artist of which you have almost nothing.  If you don't already have them, then they are probably not top tier guys, so the box set is a good way to get all of their stuff that's worth having with one buy.

The Amazon reviews are usually a good source of info on sound quality.   Just disregard the reviews from 'audiophiles'.  Nothing is ever good enough for them.

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Today's Listen:

Duke Pearson -- DEDICATION

Good player lineup.  Includes Pepper Adams and Freddie Hubbard.  I am sure their playing is perfectly acceptable.  The problem is, none of the tunes just reach out and grab.   I think a Tenor sax instead of the trombone would have helped.  Maybe I will appreciate it more on repeated playing.  I like this one best.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmcGijmEtCg

BTW, this one was recorded in 1961.  Released in 1970.

Only 39 minutes of music.  Typical of recordings on the 'Original Jazz Classics' label.

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***** are you running for "Grand Poobah"?*****

As Chief of Jazz Police for the Great Unwashed, part of my duties include the Supervision of all Grand Poobahs. :)

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The Three Sounds -- MOODS

Listening to it now, from the "Eight Classic Albums".  Sounds fine to me.   It's only a trio.  Not a lot nuance to hear.  The cymbals are there.  Harris is great,  and the Piano sounds like a Piano.

Maybe you need to upgrade to Polks. :)

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***** and to think we almost missed her.*****

The good thing about 'missing' players, is that you have a nice surprise and place to go in this current era of quasi-Jazz.  It's good we didn't hear them all back in the day.  If we had, what would we have to look forward to today?

Stereo Review turned me on to Williams.  I bought lots of stuff while I was in the Army and never found the time to listen to all of it.   Now I have that time.   It's all 'New' to me.

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The Three Sounds:

BTW, did you get the 8 or 6 Classic CD set?  The albums listed are different.  I have the 8.  Anita O'day is on the 6.

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Shelia Jordan:

I have her with George Russell.  Part of his "Severn Classic Albums" box set.   This is the Modal master.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIokpD6lqp8


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Byrd In Flight:

Included in the Definitive Classic BN Collection.   

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Am I a Clairvoyant, or what??

But this is an unfair 'ruckus'.  On one side of the argument we have all the real musicians that contribute to this thread, and folks like Coltrane, Miles, Ellington, Mingus (esp Mingus), and every other Jazz musician in history.   Also every other non-Jazz musician.  They all practiced and rehearsed.   And how could anyone ever write a Jazz tune without practicing it.

On the other side, we have just O-10 and 'His Friend', who never practiced.  Now this could well be true.  I believe him.  But, It is not significant unless we know who this friend is, so we can listen to his recordings.  Hear him play.  If he didn't make any recordings,  hmmmm,  then not practicing becomes even more believable..  

Now if this Friend turns out to be Coltrane, or Miles or Green, then his claim becomes significant.  Otherwise, as I said before, I didn't practice either, and I sounded like it.   And no one has ever paid me one dollar to play.

So if you won't ID this friend, why keep bringing it up and talking about it?

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***** Do you have any of those collections yet?  If so, how is the recording quality?*****


Being on a mission for, and under orders of a Grand Poobah, I had to make sure my procedures were without fault.


I have the BN issued CD "The Cat Walk".  I put the Donald Byrd box set "The Cat Walk" in one CD player and the BN in another.  All playing thru the same amp.   I just clicked back and forth between the two.  The only difference was the volume level of the two.  I then switched the CDs around to see if the difference in volume was the CD players or the CD disc.

The Box set CD does play at a lower volume.  Not different, just at a lower volume.  When I adjusted the volume to match, there was no difference that I could detect.  I concentrated on the 'nuances'.

Keep in mind, I cannot hear the difference between wire, or cable lifters, or fuses, or gold painted bricks on my CD player, or between two amps of the same make and model.  I also have never even considered my ceiling as a barrier to good sound.  I understand they do blow the notes around.  IBM told me tubes were distortion and noise generators.   Same with LPs.  
Please read this post with those personal handicaps in mind.

10 complete LPs for 19.98.

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Update:

My BN copy of 'The Cat Walk' by Donald Byrd is the RVG edition. Could that account for the difference in volume?

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Ghosthouse:

It's on Amazon.  Both LP covers.  One CD is offered for a measly $587 dollars, US.  No wonder I don't have it.  But there is a 20 dollar CD.

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Water Music:
You would not believe how many performances of this music I own.  I love it.  I like this one even better after seeing the video.

My first, and still my favorite, was by The Academy of Ancient Music with Christopher Hogwood.  Still has the Tag from The German store where I bought it.  Radio Pruy, 35.80 DM.

Marvis Staples:

Gotta have it!!  She hit most of the Anthems of the Civil Rights Movement.  All very well done.  Born in Chicago, which is not her fault, and since Pops Staples was from Mississippi, she is authorized.

Questions to The Frogman:

I 'stumbled' upon this on youtube.  Surely I wouldn't seek out Stravinsky. :)

This is a HUGE orchestra.  They have at least 8 horn players.  Does the music dictate this?

When the players have to turn the pages of the music,  is any consideration given, during the printing of the sheet music, to what is being played by a particular instrument at the end of the page?  IOW, would the sheet come to an end in the middle of a very difficult passage?

I noticed the violin player sitting next to the Principal, stopped playing, to turn the page.







https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5UJOaGIhG7A
***** Rok, nice tribute to Gladys Knight*****

As much as I love Gladys, the post was from O-10.  I spent the day listening to my recently received "Water Music" by the Akademie fur Alte Musik Berlin.

But it is nice to be confused with a Grand Poobah.  Heady stuff.

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ouch!!  posted too soon.   The clip is at the very bottom.  I wanted to Add -- if a player stops playing to turn the page, is just assumed that player's part will not be played for those few measures?

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This amounts to a Classical Jam session.  I love the facial expressions and antics of the Soloist, The Principal, and the female cellist.

Notice how the Soloist and the Principal communicate without words. She seems to be watching the Bow of the Soloist. 
Love it!!!  
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzE-kVadtNw

Thanks for the info on printing scores.

***** Stravinsky "Sacre":  One of the very greatest 20th century works.  Amazing piece of music!  *****

A simple "nice clip" would have sufficed.

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Voted the best orchestra in the world by BBC Music Magazine a while back.  They play like they are indeed.

The Frogman:

Only two horn players.  I always thought the horns played a prominent role in the 7th.  I thought there would be more.

At the end of movements at, 14:19, 24:09, and 34:11, The conductor turns not one page of his score but many pages.  You have any idea what's on the pages he is bypassing?

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T
***** The real question is: where do we draw the line and declare that the work is too abstract?  We can't.*****

Aficionados can't, but we of the Great Unwashed Can.   And do.

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The Frogman:

Thanks for the Ted Nash clip.  I was not that familiar with Joe Temperley.  I do have him playing on Wynton's CD "Crescent City Christmas Card".

He played with Ellington and Marsalis.   Not a bad career.

I will sign up for his mailing list.

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Fusion did / does not pass the 'CD TEST'.  IOW, I replaced all my favorite LPs with CDs.   Fusion did not make that cut.   I have all the Weather Report and Crusaders and all that stuff on LP.   None of it on CD.  That is the best way to find out what you really like.

There are exceptions, like 'Bitches Brew'.  It's noise, but it's significant noise, from an important player in Jazz.

If the word 'electric' appears in the notes, don't click on "place your order"!!

I have Santana's big three.  They were very big on the German / European disco scene.  But, disco is gone, so is my interest in Santana.

And Lastly, what exactly, is the point of 'fusion'?   Why weren't other types of music 'fused'?

If it was a way for artists to make more money, then those days / artists are gone also.  There is no longer any reason to buy it.

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Dorothy Ashbly:

It was Ok.  Bad recordings, but that's not her fault.   I had to google Jazz Harpist to see how common they are.   Came up with this:

https://myspace.com/loriandrews/video/the-pluckin-blues-music-video-/109771551

In my opinion, the timbre is all wrong for Jazz.  Something like Bags on Vibes would have been better.

But the real question is, why?  Borders on gimmickry.   Wanna play Jazz, play a Jazz instrument.

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If you guys insist on listening to everything but Jazz, try this:


Spot 'Michael Jackson' and get all my Weather Report 8-track tapes. 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jZKhC7CtEI&list=RD-jZKhC7CtEI

I find this addictive.  I could listen to this all day.   What a terrifying cover.  Reminds me of The Third Man.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HtHEgINHO0

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O-10:
I did return my recent copy of 'The Complete BN Recordings of Donald Byrd'. One of the disc would not play straight through.   A replacement is on the way.

Also, one disc seemed to have a partial fingerprint.  Not supposed to be on a New set.  Makes a body wonder.

You should send it back.

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As Duke Ellington once said, "There are three kinds of Fusion, Bad, Worst and WTF"!!!

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Read it and weep.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jazz_fusion

As any evil-doer will tell you, to destroy any culture, first, destroy the language.   Words then have no meaning, or, any meaning.

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My problem with Fusion is this:

(Of course this is from the perspective of the Great Unwashed.)

It's not good Jazz,  not  Good Rock, or  Good Soul or  good whatever  the fused element is supposed to be.  To my ear, more like experiments in sound.

Google the music that was being made in 1972, which was not a good year, but still, if you wanna hear rock,  play the stones.

In  biology we would say this was a dead end branch of the evolutionary tree of Jazz.   It didn't go anywhere.   Didn't lead to future greatest.

So, why did it exist?  Follow the money.  And the fame.  And being accepted by the hip and the young.  Those are powerful lures.  Like a second lease on life.  I do not blame them.   I blame the folks who decided it should be called JAZZ.

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