orpheus10
Think positive, be strong. Remember we are in a battle our whole life, from the fight to take our first breath forward . My prayers go out to you.
I will search out some Wynton music and post it when I have time. Summertime leaves less time at my computer as I enjoy the warmer weather.
BTW - I always understand frogman when he speaks technically about music and I am not a professional musician, just an amateur.
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pryso also not worried about the new talent in jazz. Enjoyed the Kawaguchi cut but as orpheus10 said not digging out 80 bucks for that cd( or any other). He was also on the money when he mentioned the group sounding like RTF- I listened to clips from another Senri cd A La Mode and it too sounded like RTF. Enjoyed the Oscar Peterson clip- funny and informative. Thanks for the Coltrane article --now I am interested in the new "lost" album. Been wanting to post some R Coltrane -has he been discussed previously? http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=apKIMbhW9vY http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OdLCoLVRCmk |
orpheus10
I have always dug Sonny Criss and have a number of titles of his. I will post something soon. Is he underrated/not well known in jazz world? I think he was one of best alto musicians of they period way back when. It's good to hear you can find new music in the time frame and style you like. It's always great to discover new titles and or artists. I went through a perios several years ago where I did not think I would find new jazz artists to appreciate but I did . And now that i am participating in this forum I have discovered more music with the help of everyone. My thanks to you for starting this forum.
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pjw
Yes I did listen to Hiromi but had not been able to respond till now. I also enjoy fusion and do not consider it to be "noise". Her name was familiar but not her music. Like her style very upbeat also the sidemen . Will check out more of her music. Do you know the name of the cd she made with Clarke & White?
I have been enjoying Bill Brufords Earthworks cd "Random Acts of Happiness"
which was recommended by ghosthouse. I think you would like it. Sax,piano ,bass& drums in a jazz fusion style.
Also you mentioned J McLaughlin do you have his trio cd "live at The Royal Festival Hall". Highly recommend it.
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pjw
Thanks for that HCW link. I am going to start there. I didn't know she did an acoustic cd. later I will search out a fusion cd of hers to buy.
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acman3
Thanks for the Stanley Clarke/Hiromi post. I intend to buy that cd. Just trying to catch up with your posts of 6/29/18. Joey Alexander is a real prodigy. I can't believe the length of his fingers . He was born to play piano with those hands. I will seek out some of his music.
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orpheus10 Your post of "Soulful Strut" took me back to memories of my youth.I remember hearing that song on the radio and never knowing the name or artist. It must have been a crossover hit as it has both catchy hooks with the piano and the horn section . This song had to be one of those that created an interest in jazz for me along with music from Blood Sweat & Tears and others. One of my favorite songs from that time (and still is today) is from the famous album "Supersession". This is true jazz and creates a mood which takes me to other places. A timeless gem: http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QUT_NQ4tbTI |
pjw
Correct Bruford's RAoH is pricey I paid $15.00 for it. Just ordered Bruford's
Stamping Ground, trio cd with bass and sax for $11.99. Just curious if you have any experience with Hiromi's sacd titles. Noticed she has numerous hybrids available was wondering if better sound/price differential is worth it? I always like the sound of sacd over redbook when I compare.
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pjw
Thanks for the specific Hiromi titles it gives me something to work with. She must b e great to see live very dynamic lots of energy.
Regarding her sacd hybrids i should have been more specific. Was curious if you had compared the sacd layer with the cd layer on the same disc. In other words switched from sacd to cd using the hybrid if your system plays both cd and sacd.
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orpheus10
Your reference to Albert King is appropriate . Th e guitarist on "Albert's Shuffle", MiKe Bloomfield, was a well respected & popular blues guitarist .He w as born in Chicago , played with many oF the popular blues artists who resided there. He made his reputation playing in clubs "BigvJohns" and "Magoos". He helped to popularize blues in the 60's but unfortunately died of a drug overdose in 1981.Agreed "Harvey's Tune" was way too short. Would have liked to have seen it stretched out with some solos. It was just an added tun e at the end of the session where leader Al Kooper graciously gave bass player Harvey Brooks time for a tune he had written.
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alexatpos
I will get to that McMaster article . Thanks. Just wondering I saw frogman's reply to your: Johnny Griffin. Was wondering where you read he had claustrophobia in studio. I had never heard that. He is one of my favorites.
Just read rok's post. Are you from Croatia? I have been watching and following Worls Cup matches all month. This is really huge, man!! Best of luck to you and your country on sunday.
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pjw
It sounds like you have simplified your music library via computer. I wish I had those skills. No pressure if you have time and WANT to compare I am interested. It's good to know her cd's are engineered with good sound either way.
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pjw
Thanks for the Coltrane link. Coincidentally I live about 30 minutes east of his home on Long Island. I took the address from the link and intend to visit in future.
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frogman
Yes I agree with your choice of Zoot Sims a player I have listened to a lot and have posted recently. Not too familiar with Al Cohn would have to listen to some of his recordings.
I also really like Scott Hamilton a lot. Kudos to him for developing and bringing forward that style of swing playing. Many years ago I had several Hamilton recordings but did not play them much . I dismissed him for not having a bebop style or avant garde leanings. I have come full circle and do appreciate his stylistic approach and devotion to swing.Yes maybe a little less air in the tone but still there in abundance. I also like Ken Peplowski I think he has a similar style.
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pryso
thanks for the Coltrane PBS link I missed the broadcast version. That album is a must buy .
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frogman Good call! That is absolutely Phil Woods. No one sounds like him. I did not do that on purpose. Just bought that Gordon cd and wanted to post something. I knew Woods was on the cd but in my haste to post did not listen after transcribing it to you tube. Actually I take back the statement that no one sounds like Woods. This guy does at least in his tone. He was a child jazz prodigy and sounded just like Woods when he was younger but with maturity he has found his own voice IMO. But the tone remains close . http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=N1kp3xiwPNw . I didn't care for Scott's contribution to that cut. I can't say I am a fan of his except for the following iconic song from Taxi Driver. The sax solo is haunting and beautiful. http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LAGSoti_ejA http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=guV8Tp9oi3Q |
orpheus10
I also meant to say I understand your perception of the music and the musicians who create it which is different then saying I understand your definition.
I also agree with your statement that jazz musicians are born and spend a lifetime honing their talent.
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rok2id
Yes unless you are more specific I don't see the connection between Brubeck and so-called cultural war either. BTW be careful quoting Ken Burn's "Jazz" as a historical reference. When a purported documentary of jazz history makes no mention of Bill Evans in its content , or his place in jazz history and the musicians he influenced it can hardly be called accurate. Also when a documentary of jazz places no emphasis on any jazz past the hard bop period it also lacks credibility.
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orpheus10
I feel your characterization of frogman as a "troll" was inaccurate and unwarranted. Just because someone holds a different position than yours or expresses thought that may question an analysis or statement made does not make them a troll.
If there is one positive trait I have developed as an adult it is EMPATHY, the ability to hear and attempt to understand another persons position or feeling even though I may not agree. I used to have a position that my feeling or my attitude towards a subject was the ONLY one and anyone who disagreed was wrong. I have given that up over a lifetime of meeting many people.
Jazz is a complicated music and a complicated subject. I understand your definition of "soul" in jazz although I don't agree with it. I saw an old Dick Cavett show recently where he interviewed Miles Davis whom he asked "is playing jazz the expression of oppressed minorities" and Davis stated it was not. I am sure there are other musicians who feel differently. So too with critics, jazz listeners and fans alike.
If everyone could have an open mind about the subject of jazz and keep away from the personal attacks I feel the give and take between those who post could have a more positive outcome.
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orpheus10 Your comment in your last post is on the mark:"I have no problem with the word "soul" as pertaining to music.Just like any other word the meaning depends on how it's used". Webster's dictionary definition of "soul": "A man's moral and emotional nature, the quality that aroses emotion and sentiment". As used in this context I think most would agree D Brubeck who reached many over decades , had "soul". Websters also defines "soul" as " A quality that is essential to or characteristic of the cultural heritage of black americans". So it is the context and you both are right. As to your last statement in the post I thank you for your consideration. Now back to the music: Some blues to start off the day: http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_nhZGIsERUE Another alto player I admire, Sonny Red: http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=949vevKlQs8real down home organ based blues: http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=USl7n22JsGw |
orpheus10 Agree with your comment of " no concern for humanity, only money , and the politicians see it goes to the 1% , minus their commision. Not sure if and how it relates to music and jazz specifically, but for sure it is a most accurate statement concerning our political system. I really liked that cut you posted by John Handy & Ali Akbar Khan. I think this next cut is similar in nature and thought you might like it: http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ax4K-3UZOzg Eddie "Lockjaw" Davis cut many albums in that style.Search them out. Are you familiar with Arnett Cobb and Jimmy Forrest? http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=q3lBs31Pa-Q http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hywihcfUOYY |
pryso
Agree with you. Wrong to say "improvisation is the least important element in jazz" when it is the most important aspect of jazz. Your cut by Bill Evans backs up this point.
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acman3Thanks for your very accurate description of my recent C Lloyd posting.
BTW-I get it I like Matthew Shipp, listened to mist of the solo piano link yo u posted and enjoyed it. Was listening to him last night w/ D Ware quartet doing Rollins "The Freedom Suite".
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frogman
You can really the similarities between J Gilmore & Coltrane on that live cut you posted both in tone and technique.
I really only knew Gilmore from SunRa'S band.
I am surprised that orpheus10 likes Sun Ra considering how much of Ra'S music leans towards the avant garde ( mid 60's forward).
You are correct when you listen to much of Ra's music of the late 50's and early 60's you can hear how much closer it is to mainstream and how much debt he owes to those who came before him.
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alexatposThanks for the J Forrest blues cut w/C Newborn. Did not know Phineas had a brother in the business.Also enjoyed the WKelly cuts. Several of those will be on my buying list.
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frogman
Thanks for posting the McCoy Tyner "Reaching Fourth" . Was not aware of it and it's going on my buy list!
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alexatpos
Yes I did like that slow blues cut you posted from King Curtis. thx.
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acman3
Thanks for digging up more cuts featuring John Gilmore. I own the Bley album from which you posted and also own the Blue Note John Gilmore lp posted by orpheus10. Now I have to locate them and give them a listen.
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orpheus10 I need to add several L Thompson titles to my collection and I think this will be one of them: http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fkKneiZNNXsThat Ike Quebec you posted was indeed very soulful , I have several titles of his and have addded your selection to my buy list. |
orpheus10
I wanted to thank you for posting Johnny Smith and Carmell Jones recently. I intend to check out more of their music.
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AlexI googled Fred Jackson and determined after the 60's h e left jazz to make a living playing R&B. He reco rded with numerous non-jazz artists but not as a leader.
His relaxed, bluesy and very emotional style is very apparent on Hootin n Tootin. I own a vinyl 45rpm copy and need to give it a listen.Baby FaceWillette was similar. A couple of albums in the discography, then iilness forced him off the scene.
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pjw Did you know the group you saw 4 Generations of Miles cut a cd 16 years ago for Chesky. It's available as a hybrid . Like you I enjoy the live music Miles cut from the 1968 thru 1975 period. The Isle of Wight video posted was pretty representative of that period. I would like to buy it but it's pricey. I think I only own Star People from his later work also ,I did not like the Miles in Berlin clip too much, but I did get the opportunity to see Miles in NY the year before he died and his group stole the show. The group was 2 guitars, sax, bass ,keyboards ,drums and multiple percussion. The group sound was similar to his 70's groups and Miles was in fine form. I picked another J McLean piece w/O Coleman from a later period after heaing the cuts you posted. http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=s_pE0ElxttI |
pjw
sorry the cd band of "4 Generations of Miles " had Ron Carter on bass and George Coleman on sax with M Stern & J Cobb
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pjw
That Miles Electric DVD is a bargain at less than 4 bucks although I do like to listen to most music on my 2 channel stereo system. I was also thinking of buying the Miles cd
"Live at The Fillmore East" which has the same group lineup and is recorded around the same time period.
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mary_jo Nice cut you posted by Sissoko & Segal--I like music which defies categorization but affects ones emotions and relaxes the mind and body. I post this as something similar: http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PLPQmT1msOE |
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rokLol. Thank you for your review of my post!! And I would now like to review the chamber music cut you posted yesterday: AAUUGGHH!!!!!!!cheers
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pjw
Shelly Manne is one of my favorite drummers. Unique individual style and great bandleader. I have about 20 or so recordings of his.
I have the complete "AT The Blackhawk" recordings on individual lps for quite some time. I located 4 lps but there may be a 5th which is not where it should be in my inventory. For sure the "West Coast" sound , a very tight band with top notch soloists. I also recommend "At The Mannehole" a 2-fer live with Kamuca on sax, C Candoli -trumpet , Russ Freeman -piano.
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pjw I found my copy of "At The Mannehole" 2-lp , it's an original japanese pressing with liner notes. Recorded 3,4&5 1961 and yes the bass player is Chuck Berghofer. I plan to listen to it and the blackhawk lps soon. Discogs can be a good alternative than Amazon or Ebay for price and hard to find stuff. Yes I have 'Peter Gunn " and "Son of Gunn" Manne lps with Mancini music. Another great lp by Manne is soundtrack to the tv series "Checkmate" with the same lineup as the At The Mannehole lps. http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=la7oJj2QwaA http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0oFLp4MzZvE Charlie Mariano & Jerry Dodgion http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=V1lnTqaBEAM |
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pjw & acman3
I listened yesterday to vol.s 2&3 of S Manne's live Blackhawk recordings on vinyl. Re: soundstage the vinyl produces a large and very wide soundstage with the piano to the left and rear of the left speaker and the trumpet forward and slightly to the right of the left speaker. The drums were to the rear and right of the right speaker with the sax forward and slightly to the right of the right speaker . Bass was several feet to the left of the right speaker. All of the instruments were solidly imaged and very clear. I would agree with acman3's observation of lack of center fill but I think this was a decision of the engineer's placement of the instruments. I will listen to vol. 1 either tonight or tomorrow and give more feedback
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pjw
There are only 4 lps in the group I have. i wonder if I can purchase that 5th disc with extra cuts ?
re: Art Pepper Live at Ronnie Scotts I think you discovered that anything issued as Milcho Leviev Quartet is probably a duplication of the 4 disc set you have. I figure Laurie Pepper obtained the rights to that concert and most likely issued all material. I should purchase that cd set as I am a Pepper completist and only have one lp which was issued some 35 years ago.
I will listen to G Baker vids when I have time and give my impression. I had several of his jazz oriented cds some time ago but sold them. Just be aware I am was not a big fan of his jazz output in the past but will keep an open mind.
I also have another jazz drum battle story involving him to relate to you.
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pjw
I listened to the 1st live cut (Baker , Frisell , Haden) and really liked it. Baker & Frisell stand out I had a hard time hearing Haden in the mix. Baker & Frisell seem like they have played together quite a while their styles mesh. Baker showed his jazz chops playing brushes when Haden solos . Will follow up when I listen to the other live cuts.
I can't think of many jazz drummers who played double bass drum was wondering who you had in mind to compare to Baker? Louis Bellson comes to mind and I think Tony Williams may have played double bass drum for part of his career.
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