@orpheus10
I have the 'Soul Sauce' CD. Your clips sounded a lot better than I remember my CD sounding. I always felt as if something was missing from this music, which is supposed to 'Latin Jazz'. Sounded sort of watered down, compared to other Latino Jazz players.
Now I find out, there are no Latinos in the band. I always assumed Tjader was Latino. Now it turns out he's Swedish. And your home boy at that.
Same with Charlie Byrd, bought some of his stuff back in the day. Being an LP of music from Brazil, I expected fireworks. Maybe I watch too many movies. I think I need to revisit them both.
The clips were enjoyable. However no one can get the sound that Milt got playing vibes. :) I can't help it man, I'm stuck in the past, waiting on a light bulb to go off. You think maybe the bulb is burned out? :)
Thanks for sharing
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@frogman,
Well, no one can say, I didn't try.
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BTW, if you have a few minutes of free time, maybe you could tell us all, why Armstrong was great. I am sure you can 'articulate' it better than the millions of his fans around the world. Maybe the most well known Jazz player of all time. And to think, none of the millions of his adoring fans have a clue, as to why they like him.
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Maybe the place to look for New and Good Jazz is Cuba.
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@orpheus10,
The 'Rap' threads are not about music at all. I think we all know what they are about. Sort of like "Jazz for Aficionados. Sometimes I wonder if it is about the music.
The post by Acman3 was just an attempt to make fun of, and show them the stupidity of the whole thread. Good luck with that.
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What do you think is the solution Rok; I'm totally lost. *****
Now now OP, you are not lost. :) The problem first, then my solution.
Problem: This thread is light years away from what it is was supposed to be. Read your initial post again. The atmosphere has become so poisonous and malicious, and in a personal way, that I don't even like it anymore. It has in effect, become an 'Audiophile thread'. No different from all the rest.
Solution:
As I said in a previous post, irreconcilable differences. There is no common ground. There is Nothing to talk about.
To each his own, but for me, I think I'll call it a day, and head for the house.
If you run across something that you think, I just have to have, email me.
Stop all the bickering. It will eventually take all the joy out of listening to this great music.
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O-10:
When I read your post about butchering 'standards', I just happen to be listening to Masekela's CD 'Uptownship'. I love the guy, but, he should have left, 'If you don't know me by now' and 'ooo, baby, baby' to Melvin and the Blue Notes and Smokey Robinson.
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Was watching a military documentary a few nights ago. It was about the 900+ day siege of Leiningrad. It said that shostakovich was there, and wrote his 7th symphony "Leningrad", during the siege. Turns out that is in dispute, but, I found this while searching for a well reviewed performance of his 7th. Clear the floor and git dem dancing shoes on!!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMSvXETRhqIAnd they say you can't combine Jazz with classical. Cheers
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I wont give examples of people who've messed up standards. *****
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Hey, welcome back, Rok******
The great unwashed demanded my return. Folks demonstrating outside my house last night. Shouting and chanting Things like, "The Frogman is out of control", or words to that effect.
As Chief of Jazz Police for Central Texas, I could not ignore them.
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@russbutton
Catherine Russell: *****
"Whatcha Gonna Do When There Ain't No Swing?***** I have been asking this very same question, to my fellow posters, since this thread started. Gal Costa: The most unique and recognizable music on the planet. I don't know if it's the rhythm or the language. But you know almost instantly it's Brazilian. Wesla Whitfield: Great performance. Unaffected voice. Sad and Courageous story. Thanks for sharing Cheers |
***** her mother was Carline Ray, who played with the International Sweethearts of Rhythm. So she's got some pedigree. ****** Indeed she does. I posted the Sweethearts of Rhythm a while back. Seems like years ago. :) I have an original Publicity Poster from their heyday. Signed by most of the members. My family knew several of the women in the band. I treasure that poster. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WczP3PyHt20Cheers |
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Leon Thomas:
Loved it! He may have knocked Dee Dee off her perch.
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Today's Listen: Keith Jarrett -- THE KOLN CONCERT https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKNQSSNNag8I, along with the rest of the Jazz world went ga-ga over this when it came out. listening today, does anyone know what all the fuss was about? Cheers |
Maybe you were confused because The Frogman did post his 7 commandments. I was glad he stopped at Seven, because The Good Lord himself only posted 10
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You would be surprised, or maybe not, at the number of current Jazz guys that started off in Classical. I wonder why they change? Maybe they think it's easier. Maybe Wynton is correct.
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*****Rok, he can certainly play the piano, and I like the music; I just can't figure why this comes under the heading "JAZZ"? ******
Exactly!! I like it, but is it Jazz? Maybe it's called Jazz for the "Coolness" factor?
That's what Pope Wynton would say.
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I have to keep telling myself that my God has a plan. There is a purpose to all of this. I have faith.
1. Look up the meaning of 'Authentic'. Does not speak to good or bad. Does speak to the 'real' deal.
2. Human beings would not be able to converse if they were not allowed to use "generalities". Demanding minute exact details is a good tactic to score points in a discussion, but it's evasive and bogus.
3. Look up Woody, and then look up PP&M. Woody is Authentic. Whether you like him or not, is not the point. 'Resonate' sounds good but has nothing to do with the question.
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The Frogman / O-10:
Assuming my usual role as peacemaker, is it possible that you guys are at odds over what is Authentic / Authenticity, and what is not.
Think, Woody Guthrie vs Peter Paul & Mary.
One came from a certain time and place, and spoke for the people who lived during that time and place. He was one of them. He, and his music, were Authentic.
I liked them both. But I knew the real deal.
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BTW, I think 'Juilliard' is used in this discussion to represent a certain school of thought. We all know North Texas is the better place. :)
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We have already covered the very best jazz musicians who ever lived, we have also covered the best "jazz albums"; now, with some help, I'm going to cover the lesser known artists; some who might have been as good as the best. *****
We have not even talked about all the CDs that I own, let along the entire genre.
The lesser known, as The Frogman said, are generally lesser known for a good reason. Are you sure you are not confusing lesser known with local?
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The Gospel According to The Frogman? King Frogman Version?
BTW, you and The Frogman have this bad habit of reading things that aren't there. No one would argue with anything you said in your post. Saint Frogman just said, there is usually a good reason they are lesser known. You just listed a lot of them. Most folks on here speak good English. They are capable of saying exactly what they mean.
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Rok, I'm on a search for Leon on CD*****
A lot of them on Amazon. They are pretty proud of them, i.e. they are very expensive. You did notice he is dressed like Sinbad, and is also from St Louis. Remember Miles?
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BTW, both clips were awesome. I will have to play the CD toady.
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:@jafant Who is Leon? SURELY YOU JEST!! You're joking, right? Can it be that in the year 2016, there are still people who don't know who Leon is? Why, he is the most Famous Jazz player in the world, that no one has ever heard of!! This be him. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSYwGEiowHgCheers |
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differing opinions about whether it was Johnny Hodges, for whom the tune was written, or Stan Getz, who made it a kind of "signature" tune, that did the tune justice.******
Anyone who cares to read the history of 'Blood Count', the conditions under which it was written, the relationship between Strayhorn, Ellington, Hodges and the band, would know that the question itself is absurd.
How could anyone consider this to be a 'signature' tune of anyone, except Strayhorn, the Ellington band and Hodges? How could anyone possibly do it more 'justice'.
Of course, I realize questions like this are always considered valid, in some circles.
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Today's Listen: Charles Mingus -- CHANGES ONE The first track is the clip I have posted. " Remember Rockefeller at Attica" This refers to the bloody prison riot that took place while Rockefeller was Governor of NY. This tune sounds very upbeat to me. Esp Don Pullen on piano. I read the liner notes, and find out that the tune's original name was changed, by Mingus, to 'Remember Rockefeller at Attica'. The name was changed, but not the music. He said he wanted people to remember the incident. WTF!!! Which got me to thinking about how Jazz tunes are named. Should / does the name and music have any relationship? Should a person be able to hear and follow the theme or subject indicated by the name? Of course, most are self-explanatory, or obvious, esp the standards and tunes from Broadway or pop music. etc...... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IM6vIURo5OIPerhaps The Frogman can enlighten us. Or me. I am sure everyone else knows this. Cheers |
Leon Thomas:
Some nice unique tunes, but can he sustain / carry an entire CD? I don't think so. The Viet Nam tune was just silly. Sort of ruined the entire record.
I tend to buy music based on the entire CD. I have had my fill of buying a CD just to hear one song. I know they can't all be like 'Thriller', but I like to get as close as I can.
The Frogman's Theorem still holds.
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Leon:
On the Basie clip he had me wishing for Joe Williams.
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I have to run an errand now. When I return, I would like to ask The Frogman a question about the names of, and the process that goes into, naming Jazz tunes.
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Yusef Lateef -- Back Home
Awesome!! Loved it!! 1968?? Yes indeed!! I closed my eyes, cranked it up, and found myself jamming at the Mexicana Club in Frankfurt, Germany. Those were the days. Santana anyone?
Thanks for posting.
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The Frogman:
Thanks for the info. We won't even get into:
"THE KINGDOM of SWING & THE REPUBLIC of OOP BOP SH'BAM"
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These are two cuts from Wyntyon's new Christmas CD. I am posting them because they are great. The entire CD is. Ain't got it git it. But mainly, I would like The Frogman to comment on the body language and facial expressions of the other players when someone is soloing or the singers are singing. Is this real emotion / interest ? Notice the way Wynton looks at the Trumpet soloist on the Salvant cut, and the Trombone leaning over to 'hear' the alto on the Porter cut around 2:10. Also, His fellow sax players seemed to be very impresssed and supportive.. Is the piano player the coolest guy in Jazz, or what? Ever notice how big guys make the alto seem like a toy How is Jazz at Lincoln Center perceived among the artistic elite in NYC? Give us your thoughts on all this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBt9DQJOO-4&index=2&list=RDGnshBIuu97Q porter https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GnshBIuu97Q&list=RDGnshBIuu97Q&index=1 salvant Cheers |
The Frogman:
Thanks for the insight. I discovered there is a different version of the same number by Porter. Wes Anderson's solo is very different on this one. Both are great. Maybe they did multiple performances.
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I wonder If I could borrow Gregory Porter's head gear?*****
He said it was a 'security blanket' type thingy. He said that in a the post from a while back, a video with him and Cassandra Wilson.
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I don't think Leon Thomas has ever received this much 'press' in his entire life. And this from the same group of folks, that dismissed the Bey Sisters in one short sentence. Makes a body wonder. Wanna hear some real singing? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M__j_feCKG0Cheers |
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Hey Rok - when you get a chance, check this out. Curious what you think of it (hoping it is new to you but pro'ly. not).*****
The Greatest ever, small group composer, playing the music of the Greatest ever, big band composer, there is only one thing to think; I wish I was there. They were pretty close to the audience, but that did not seem to affect them. I had seen this clip before, but never really noticed the vocal support of the players before.
The first time I ever heard Mingus on LP, way back in the day, a friend who turned me on to Mingus, and was playing it on his system, said to me, "this guy's bands are always very tight and well rehearsed. No sloppy, this is good enough, nonsense". He was right. I have been hearing it ever since. Great clip.
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This is a long clip. The last tune is Bud Powell's "Un Poco Loco". Great tune. Does anyone know what Wes Anderson is doing at 51:44. The tune starts at 47:20. Feel free to skip ahead. :) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4BC3vErvpcCheers |
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Rok, while checking out Jimmy Blanton records I ran across this and knew you were a fan. Can’t figure out why? ;0 )*****
I just love American Opera Divas. Started with the tough, street wise, NYC babe, Beverly Sills. Battle is a treat to hear and see! She conquered the Opera World, but never forgot her church roots.
I will assume this was made prior to her musical relationship with Wynton. Otherwise, I am sure he would have been the trumpet player.
I have a 3 CD set by Ellington called "The Blanton-Webster Band". Also one Cd titled "This one's for Blanton" with Ellington and Ray Brown. This should tell you what Ellington thought of him.
Thanks for the clip of Miss Battle. I do miss her.
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O-10:
Sam Lazar CD prices on Amazon (Space Flight)
Used from $87.99
New $296.90
Surely you jest!! He must be one hell of a player.
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The Grammy Awards:
I can't decide which was more absurd, The Categories, The "winners", or the so-called 'Music' itself?
I did recognize about three names. The Fairfield Four, Tony Bennett and Buddy Guy.
The Fairfield Four won in a new category: "Roots Gospel." WTF is that? Wiki says it was created this year to 'protect' traditional (real) Gospel. So modern day noise makers could win awards in Gospel Music. Sort of like kid's sports these days. Everyone gets a trophy. What a farce!!
And people howled and sneered when I suggested Jazz might need a little 'protection'.
Someone said 1959 was the Greatest Year in Jazz. 1939 was the Greatest year in Hollywood.
When you think about it, the arts in this country have been in decline for a long time.
I used to be able to name the conductors of all the major US and European Symphony Orchestras. The were giants. Legendary. Who are they now? Who knows / cares.
One Frenchman's Opinion.
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According to Wynton, Metheny and Miles were not playing Jazz.
Not trying to start anything, just saying.
Of course this was the Sinbad era.
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Bassists and Drummers. Not exactly fertile ground for finding interesting and great Jazz players. Even if they are very good, they would not stand out.(solos excepted) Not their job.
Mingus knew this, that's why he is known as one of the greatest Jazz composers ever.
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@acman3
Normally I would be amazed at a combination of Pat Metheny and Ornette Coleman, but just yesterday I ran across a CD of Johnny Hodges and Lawrence Welk. They say it worked!
Like you said, just not my sort of thing. I used to try to like DeJohnette, in my early years, but he just didn't play my type of stuff. Just like Keith Jarrett. Just too 'cerebral' for me.
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Jeri Brown and Leon Thomas:
Nice enough, but she can't hold a candle to Dee Dee Bridgewater. No sense even mentioning Ella. Leon seems to be stuck in the same narrow range all the time. Does he ever go any lower?
The good ones sound like an instrument when they scat.
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