Jazz for aficionados

Orpheus, I have send you a message with a file. Check it out

Have you ever wonder why some of the great albums were not published when they were recorded, but years or decades later, sometimes even when the original artists were already dead?
Intersting article on that subject, via perspective of Tina Brooks.

http://homes.chass.utoronto.ca/~chambers/tinabrooks.html

I would not draw any conclusions based only on one article, but I must admit that story sounds sinister. If it happens to be truth, it might change my romantic perspective about the label. Would like to hear more facts, if someone knows, or opinions at least, about the subject

Tina Brooks is stated as sideman on three Kenny Burrell's albums, among those, I would certainly recommend this one...
I am sure that Orpheus will love the parts where Timmons is playing

https://youtu.be/1RJAvhfo4Ws

Frogman, speaking of drug abuse, the answer is never simple, but I am sure that when there is 'epidemic' spread, than it must be conected to the establishment.
I am not refering to the sources from popular culture, as now often we can see a main stream movie that speaks about conections between 'state' and crime in some period when 'black' funding was od special interest to some services because of some 'higher' goal.
My experience is rather from first hand, 25 years ago, when my country was in armed conflict (war, bloody, but on limited scale) with its neighbours.
In those times, heroin abuse spread like flew. No way in hell that it could be 'accident' or caused by rather gloomy prospects of future of some folks.
Even more, my home town, which was never part of actual conflict, had a highest rate of users in a country.
I think that first rule of bussines is that you must create a demand, and than you can sell the product.
It took couple of years until the rave or techno ( the only good thing about it) music has become a major trend, than heroin became a drug that was considered 'out of fashion' and was replaced with other synthethic drugs, like ectasy, but not before it killed (one way or another) quite a lot young people.
So, like Rok said, the only way is to prevention, but when somebody flows the streets with cheap and powerfull stuff, there are lots of people that will hook on it. What puzzles me, (reading about it, in US) is that story about heroin and its effects is known and notorius, and  yet, still there are people who will risk their lifes by tasting it.
Its not my intention to comment political events in your country, but US is certainly a country with lots of illogical things, from a European perspective.
Maybe the best way to look the cause of such things is to understand who profits from it, on larger scale of things
Anyway, back to jazz. Maybe we should start to post albums that were not issued on time on their recording, but later, for reasons that we will never know for sure.
 Here is album of Bobby Hutcherson,'The Kicker' with same  personal that recorded Grant Green's Idle moments. This album was released many years later.

https://youtu.be/kv8I3QzIqQc







 

Here is ' a forgotten star of the Hammond B-3 organ with a more subtle approach than many of his jazz contemporaries'.
 'He often jammed at the Club 83 with musicians like Kenny Dorham, Cannonball Adderley, and Jackie McLean. But the key musical association for Roach was tenor saxophonist Ike Quebec, who asked the organist to join his band. Roach played on the sessions that became Quebec's Blue Note albums Heavy Soul and It Might as Well Be Spring. His playing on the two records impressed Blue Note president Alfred Lion, who offered Roach his own contract in 1962.' 
As leader, in following years,he recorded 5 albums for BN and 2 for Prestige.
Here are the links for first four. I still need to get that last one

Down to Earth
https://youtu.be/JXgEaq2xVIM

Mo' greens please
https://youtu.be/VSd7I0URuNk

Good Move
https://youtu.be/RJrT-weJQPc

Brown Sugar
https://youtu.be/jTaNRP3yDRU

Here is another ,not so famous, organ player and album that I like. He is perhaps best known as sideman of Wes Montgomery, on four Riverside albums that he made from 1959 to 1964.
 It is Mel Ryne on his 'Organ-izing' record from1960. ,with strong line up that consits of  Mitchell, Griffin and Harris, Heath and Simpkins.
Its a jam session, here are the links

https://youtu.be/rRK0AQX9rho

https://youtu.be/ZX_yBNEQzOs

Interesting article and some fine photos, all about the  'Man who photographed be-bop'...

http://www.udiscovermusic.com/photographed-be-bop

Acman, I share your opinion. Aldo, imho, we skipp some very nice albums where Donald Byrd played, maybe later I could point to some.
I have same feeling when it comes to FH, somehow I can  name more albums where I liked Mitchell's playing, or Byrds as well, than the ones with Hubbard. On the other hand, I prefer Dizzy over him, when it comes to some other types of recordings. Strange as it seems, I never cought up completely with his work. Maybe we shall come to that, here, later...

Frogman, I have quite a few of his albums, or albums where he played,from different decades, man can play, no doubt. Like I said, its 'my thing', not something that I can disaprove about his music. Clip is from his 'Soul Experiment' album from 1969.

https://youtu.be/kLAWWv60b24

But, we can come to that later, as I see that you are in middle of conversation with Orpehus

Its off topic, hope you would not mind, because its interesting. 'The cleanest recordings of 1920's Louis Armstrong songs you will ever hear

http://www.openculture.com/2016/04/the-cleanest-recordings-of-1920s-louis-armstrong-songs-youll-ever...

Again, slightly off (or on) topic, some 'rarely seen images' of jazz artists.

http://www.smithsonianmag.com/smithsonian-institution/these-rarely-seen-images-show-jazz-greats-pour...

On this album both ours last mentioned  protagonists are playing. Aldo this is not my favourite album of Paul Chambers , there are some nice playing here as well. Here are some links from Paul Chambers sextet 'Whims of Chambers' from 1956. with Donald Byrd and Horace Silver, together with some other greats.

https://youtu.be/3op2LT4B5e8?list=PL6A0DDC005EAF991F

https://youtu.be/aI3eLPSQbzo?list=PL6A0DDC005EAF991F

https://youtu.be/kNhwQFRrS4Q?list=PL6A0DDC005EAF991F

https://youtu.be/c0t1-DxX5Ew?list=PL6A0DDC005EAF991F

Just for the record, some very nice albums of Donald Byrd have not been mentioned in previous posts. Will post a couple. Again, Byrd with Silver,
on 'Byrd's Eye View'

https://youtu.be/9E3-z7-hlh8

Imho 'Royal Flush' is also a fine effort with some great playing

https://youtu.be/7c6tzCXrqTc

There are couple more, all from early years, that I like, but its a quite long post already. Hope you will like it

I belive you will find it pleasing. I have that album for a long time now (edition with Donald Byrd's album on single cd) and I like it. I even like that Byrds alubum, no matter that on moments it sounds more like a soul/pop effort, melodies are quite 'catchy', still there are some fine playing.
Green
https://youtu.be/Dce3qcQ6qeE
Byrd
https://youtu.be/4oRJpv-SAb4

Frogman, I believe that Green’s playing can not be chronologically divided on jazz (ante ’soul’) and post ’jazz’ period. I have just checked some of the dates where he played in that style on others people albums, like with Lou Donaldson, and its obvius that while on his solo projects he was in ’jazz’ , on other occasions he was already in ’soul jazz’ or what ever we should call it, and those albums were recorded as early as 1962. like ’Natural Soul’.

https://youtu.be/o4tIhsfcxyM

Probably the ’jazz scene’ was never so pure, or it was bigger than the audience, so there was no big enough market to sustain all that. I guess that is one of the reasons that contributed to change in styles (for worst,imho) in years to come.
As for George Benson, I was never his fan. This would be my pick. If I have not mentioned him before, this is a must opportunity. Here is the link

Ivan Joe Jones

https://youtu.be/kUVNIJl6h38

https://youtu.be/8PleEvRgGOc

https://youtu.be/sOiPlxCqXUA

As for jazz ’purists’ among us, (meaning Rok this time) I am posting this two next clips, of two (in fact three ) great albums that everyone should have.

First is called ’Best Coast Jazz’ from 1954.with Clifford Brown and all star group. Here is the link

https://youtu.be/YCwPup7mmJA

From the same session, it can be found one single edition now, because of length they were cut on two lp’s.

https://youtu.be/w5BGbjqUWns

And if that is not enough for this jazzy Sunday, here is another album.
It is Johnny Griffins ’Studio Jazz Party’ from 1960.
Hope you will like it.
Frogman, before you look who plays the trumpet, tell me how do you like it

https://youtu.be/Wu0qnePU3Os

https://youtu.be/cpYIQZtMlNE

https://youtu.be/2XhNT9YaEsc

Frogman, of course that I dont mind or take pesonally some of your critics or opinions about some players or their playing.
In fact, I am always intersted to learn something new, I know that that is a hard task without proper musical education, but still I can try.
As for the trumpet player, it is Dave Burns, and yes, we have mentioned him before, more or less with same words, yours I mean.

No comments for Clifford Browns clips? Everybody are familiar with those albums?

Orpheus, guess we can all agry that at a present there are only a few of us that are participating on these pages. Personally, would like that there are more people doing so. Believe that higher tolerance would be one of things that might help promoting broader diversity of opinions and tastes.
 So, i will use Acman's words and say ' There will always be people with a different opinion than you. Some are just haters and others just get off on different music. I love some music that others don't even consider music. So what? 🙃
If you feel the same, I see no reason that you get offended by something that for exmp. Frogman may say about some artist that you ( or me, or anyone else ) particulary like. When doing so, imo, he does it on civil and educated view (from one point, without the doubt)
If you think that maybe he (or someone else) lacks something in his perspective, you can easily share your thoghts, thats why we are all here,
at first place, and that can only make the forum more interesting.
Its not necessary that everyone has the same opinion, or the possibility to
express their deep emotions about the music, with eloquent style, as we
all know that some likings can not be simply converted to words.
Also I feel that music is more than craft, but have enough sense to recognise that part as very important too. So, if we speak about Benson and Green, fast or flashy way, may or may not have advantage over groove and bluesey feel, its just up to any of us to decide what likes more.
If someone likes and points that, at one side, as long as he has the capacity to recognise the other part, I see no reason for a throwing rocks. (or Rok's?)
Hope that these words, or me addressing to you, would not be taken as offense.
Too many words, no music.
Byrd/Burrell 'All Day Long'
https://youtu.be/Gz6UIoLNrcQ

Orpheus, Green is legend and the 'Idle Moments' is a classic album. Somehow I am always reluctant to write about such well known records.
Imho we should write more about players and albums that are not so well known, in a hope that that sad fact might change, once when those album are heard by more people.
Here are couple of tunes of Tiny Grimes (b.1916.), one of earliest jazz guitarist, from 1958.album 'Blues Groove', on which he plays with great Coleman Hawkins on sax and Ray Bryant on piano, among others. The focus is, of course, on blues, but these guys sure can play. Note, Grimes plays 4 string guitar

Here are the links. Hope you will like it

https://youtu.be/p51MT5OMw-I

https://youtu.be/h168KJceOr0

Nice words, JC. Among all other funny comments, there were a few posts with good music. However, still there are many forgoten ones that deserved to be heard, again. One of them is certainly guitar player Johnny Smith, who started to record since late 40’s. He played as studio musician, as well as leader on string of his albums in 60’s, but it seems that he prefered a low profile life, so that could be one of the reasons for his obscurity.
Here are the links, from his cd edition that has two albums from 1960 and 61. First is ’Sound of Jimmy Smith’, and the second is ’Johnny Smith plus the trio’.
Hope you will like it

https://youtu.be/NyiLN4jD1LY

https://youtu.be/a-JwpEhvvKE

https://youtu.be/axXFIQQSgcw

I had an opportunity to hear him live, almost 18 years ago, in my hometown. Funny thing was that the concert started hour after midnight, because there was another performer, before, on the same stage, in towns theatre. So, untill one concert started, finished, and the time that was needed to set up another performance, the time ran away, which was fine for everybody.
Remember that he joked that after the concert he has a flight to catch and that he will go directly to airport, because the audience kept him on stage with constant demands for more encore.
Found some old link with program
http://mariomendes.tripod.com/

Could not find the link with actual performance, aldo the national tv recorded it, but here is the link with concert of Joe Zawinul Syndicate from next year.
The quality is not the best, the music is fusion, but it can show glims of
atmosphere and interview with Zawinull himself (around 5:50) if someone is interested.
https://youtu.be/HPB1v5w9A5g

Must add that I had the privilege to see Abbey Lincoln, Charlie Haden, Randy Weston, among others, that same year. It was quite an expirience.If somehow find  those tapes, will post them

Without any particular wish to try to establish the exact meaning of the term 'important' , on this forum or yet in jazz history, or to start another discussion, I would certainly called the sound and music of G.Green important. If that is any proof, it seems that obviously there were other 'important' or less 'important' players who thought the same and created some fine music with him, or were at least moved by his playing. Personal tastes a side, I think that there are only a few names whos absence in world of jazz would be felted in a way that today the music would be different without them, but to speculate about it seems absurd.

Here is one song on album of Orpheus's friend

https://youtu.be/vVMMcQspCDs

As for 61. or 62. question, its a quite broad subject? Could we narrow it a bit? East or west cost, or bossa maybe? Personal favourits or 'influental' albums? Few ones that I like, out of head.... all known names...for a change

https://youtu.be/nilp-xPq0Y0
https://youtu.be/Y8lNm8fO204
https://youtu.be/yStCqteGiQU
https://youtu.be/AAQs6Z8jqXw
https://youtu.be/GXhXkYw3FmIhttps
https://youtu.be/GoBhmxHgHig

I am not quite certain, but Ammons, Hawes, Dupree and some other guys were in the prison at the same time, maybe even in the sam prison, and I have read somewhere (think it was Dupree who said it) that his best band was in fact, the prison bend. That might be a black humor joke, but could be true...
As for Orpheus's quest, we cant know for sure, so what is the point of guessing? Green was not the only guy who had unissued material.
I wrote before about Bobby Hutcherson, and his album 'The Kicker' made with same line up that made Green's 'Idle Moments'. Both albums were made within days,in 1963. 'The Kicker' remained on shelf for years.

https://youtu.be/kv8I3QzIqQc?list=PLA4B6B56EDBBAC42F

Maybe we should post the albums that were not published at the time when they were recorded? I am sure that from todays perspective we could find many good ones, and we would continue to wonder why they were never released, but like I said, until we find the way to know for sure, its quite pointless,imho

Its a funny coincidence, this morning I have started the day with music of Benny Carter, but from another album.
Very enjoyable 'Swingin the 20's',album from 1958.
Carter plays sax and trumpet, with Earl Fatha Hines on piano, Manne and Vinnegar. Such a great, classic music.

https://youtu.be/bYb1TSCeouA

https://youtu.be/ysl-WZmIZEc

https://youtu.be/c6stGpdRAHc?list=RDc6stGpdRAHc

https://youtu.be/-riqAoq8upE

https://youtu.be/FABaW9p7R9E

Orpheus, I enjoy a good story, I am sure we all do. A good one even does not have to be a true. Let me point to a one, documentry film, from Tribeca festival, its not tied to jazz, hope its not an offense. Maybe Rok could check that Cia book to see is it a myth or true story. Here is the link to a trailer

https://youtu.be/Q_oQFplWs_g

'The late Soviet Union was not renowned for its contributions to jazz, but it did produce at least one notable group, for in the '70s and '80s the Ganelin Trio was arguably the world's greatest free jazz ensemble. Comprised of pianist Vyacheslav Ganelin, saxophonist Vladimir Chekasin, and drummer Vladimir Tarasov, the trio's mostly improvised music was as emotionally intense as anything being created in the U.S. -- or anywhere else -- at the time. The three members were extraordinarily skilled, possessed abundant chops and imagination.'

https://youtu.be/n6kOpdtwSzY

This next clip is also interesting, in regard to that theory that fusion was a dead end ( I am not a fan of it) but still one should ask himself how its possible that on two opposite sides (in many senses) of world, man can find many similar things in art?

https://youtu.be/WGYDPFJMT0g

Been absent, rough period personally, now cought up, read few last pages that I missed.
Rok, you made my smile (havent done that for days) couple of times, thank you. Keep using what ever you are taking, just tell me what is the name of the stuff.
Orpheus, saw Randy Weston alive, at the end of 90's, still I like his earlier work, like this album from 1956.

https://youtu.be/zze3gaTl8yM

Frogman, suggestion for a year 1978. I would not call it a fusion,( its stated as avangarde/fusion) and the album is called 'New direction'...
I belleive that even fusion 'haters' will like this song

https://youtu.be/YVjX1EhNbLw

Lester Bowie is certainly a fine trumpet player, maybe somebody can share if has any good albums of him?

Just to add the word to ever lasting discussion, Frogman, for me, much likings of some music depends of a tone of some particular player and the sound of his instrument.
 I would not go in details now, but there are some very acomplished players whose albums I dont have, because I dont like the tone/sound of their instrument.
From some others, I feel like I could listen random notes or accords and still like it.
 Some of the music that its been disscused here recently, just does not have the 'sound' that I might like. I dont know if somebdy else tryed to explain it this way and certainly since english is not my native language I may loose some true meaning of the words I want to say.
I can follow the idea behind the music  and I can admire the execution of it, but I very much miss the tone/sound that I might like...
Still, trying to keep the open mind for a moment in time when this could change...

Since there is not much going on here, will use the opportunity to post music and musicians that perhaps deserve more attention.(like usually)
Here is one of them, Herb Geller with his sextet, was based in L.A. but he did not play in cool style, music on this album swings hard with lots of solos. Geller left Usa for Europe in the early sixties, where he stayed for next thirty years, and continued to make music. Here are some clips, year is 1955.

https://youtu.be/DhaFsaYb7bs

from 1956.

https://youtu.be/1IC_q3d_oFE

Still, we were talking about fusion, so here is one suggestion, not exactly in the style of  the stuff Frogman posts, but maybe some of the 'purist' will like it even more.
Chico O' Farrill and Clark Terry on 'Spanish Rice' album from 1966.

https://youtu.be/4xklqCjJ1lg

https://youtu.be/Yt911oOUYp0

https://youtu.be/T4yj_unppWY

Frogman, like I said before, I have no problem with different music posted here, finally even if I dont listen it at the present, man can always learn something new. I wrote about it not long ago, for me and perhaps for some of the others (would like to hear their opinion too) is often the matter of 'tone', the way some musician plays and has his sound, the crucial thing for 'liking' or disliking some music.
I have said, that there are numerous 'jazz jazz' players that I do not listen, because I do not 'like' enough their sound.
For example,its realy hard for me to get accustomed to the sound of electric keyboard or synth in some of the music that goes under 'fusion'.
So I admit, there is a long way ahead of me...
But, as a principle I do not see the reason why should not we exchange thougts and suggestions and especially if it comes from 'inside', from someone like you or Lfsl, who are musicians by trade.
If we all would like and know the same musi, no matter of which style, it would be quite boring forum and your words are certainly true.
My hope is that you will not run out of patience and that you take some of the words said here lighthearted.
As for the clip I could not see it, sometimes some music has issues with rights or countries where it can be seen, I guess.

Acman, thanks, that clip I could open, and its realy nice music, I  dont have that album, will search for it.
Frogman, the credit for it goes to you, of course.
Learsfool ,kind words,I will blush,ha,ha. Glad that I've maybe started some meangfull exchange of thoughts, but we still must wait for the guys from peanuts gallery to hear their opinion about the subject of tone and its influence on their (dis)likings of some music mentioned here.
As for me, I have noticed that more and more I listen or serch music from West coast, but there are lot of reasons to be considered why.
I believe that 'taste' of music shows more about one's essence of personal existence than it can be simply described with few words.Somehow expirience teach me that often one's estechical choice determine his ethical.( there are exceptions, of course, on both sides)
I do not want to sound too radical or too shalow ,its just the thought on subject and would like to here more personal explanations instead of descriptions, when there is talk about the things that are liked or not.

Frogman, will explain what I meant, I just need to catch a little time, after the weekend. In meantime, another sax player whose tone I like. Album is recorded in 1956. Al Cohn ’Cohn on the Saxaphone’...

https://youtu.be/w9v4k7nhvy8

https://youtu.be/zmao_Br3li4

There is no need for much words, Frogman, you posted the Greats.
The last player is unknown to me, but the that guy from Japan has a great taste and puts lots of good music on his chanel. Would be interesting if he would join this forum. Certainly I would like to visit a shop where he buys music.
Here is another sax player who had interesting, troubling life and career but he made it.
Frank Morgan, played in the 50s, than vanished for 30 years to come back with success (in jazz terms)
This one is from 1955.

https://youtu.be/Dr1tMYyfwPU?list=RDp2AdSYd27kE

On this album he plays with Kenny Burrell, Carter and Tate.
Album is called *Listen to the dawn* , from 1993.

https://youtu.be/yVpgOAvZ6Fs

https://youtu.be/p2AdSYd27kE


 

Acman, liked more first clip of two.
I feel funny posting these two next clips (same as to say the sky is blue), because the players are so well known, but still, just for this subject, two of my very favourite sax players and albums (when we speak about 'beautiful' tone)

Paul Gonsalves from 1960. album ’Gettin Together’, with Nat Adderley and Wynton Kelly, Jones and Cobb

https://youtu.be/8fG-8FOyxS4

Ike Quebec from ’Soul Samba’

https://youtu.be/Hgpi0wZLntc

Acman, if you dont mind, I can recommennd couple of albums of Gonsalves, that I have, along with 'Gettin together'
First, a later one, from 1972.s with Earl Fatha Hines,simply caled 'P.G.meets E.F.H.'

https://youtu.be/TZM2ApjFcvM

https://youtu.be/pzRg0LZZvTE

Than, maybe this album, 'Wonderful world of jazz',its of John Lewis, but there is a realy nice version of 'Body and Soul' with Gonsalves playing.


https://youtu.be/7pBYCxTXNgk

Frogman, I know for HalMckusick,so far what I have heard I like it, but still do not have any of his albums, will search for some.
I could not open some of the clips you posted, will try on some others ytube chanels.
As for Frank Morgan, he recorded quite a few albums, the one I posted is my favourite, but you can check the others to see is there any other that you like.

Bob, another version, same song. (probably you have this album as well)
Clark Terry with Oscar Peterson Trio from 1964. album 'Op.plus One'

https://youtu.be/s4sAff0PLlQ?list=PLzs_UuEC63l4oC2g-o8VyRl9mWL9Hgyd1

Couple of albums with 'pretty sounds', more horns, not only saxes.

'Bill Harris and friends', from 1957.
Harris is on trombone, friends are Webster,Rowles,Mitchell and Levy

https://youtu.be/C37skp4NLeY
https://youtu.be/WjJnAzaLhxg

'Bob Brookmeyer and friends' from 1964.
B.B. trombone, friends are Getz,Hancock,Carter,Burton and Jones

https://youtu.be/vcu6EigZrWs
https://youtu.be/NvE4WEOJ9dY

Beautiful, together with pretty or soulfull or marvellous and similar expressions is adjective we often use to indicate something that we like. In this sense, often what is considerd beautiful was at the same time considered as 'Good'.
Still, we all must agree that ideal of beauty was different at certain time or place.That notion pehaps can lead us to another problem, which is relativism, as somebody could argue that concept of beauty can not be separated from context of time, historical periods and cultures.
On this pages, when we spoke about the music, we saw two different views, first is a thought that there must be a single rule of 'Beauty' valid for all music who tends to be considered as jazz or 'Good' and second principal that starts with notion that 'beautiful' music is not immutable and that depends on many different influences, but than it may not be called jazz, regarding to some.
So,I am wondering are we trying to distinguish what exactly is jazz music, or what is Beautiful music?
Does that means that all jazz music is 'Good' music?
This is in fact  (pardon my simplification) philosophical question for thousands of years (definition of beautiful and good) but somehow it imposes self here again, because lots of times here there is not any explanation why is something considered as 'good' music and why it is not.
I have said something about my preferences, with few thouhts about 'tone and sound' , but it would be interesting to find out more about the subject from all participants here, if that would not be considered as boring or shallow?
So, gentlemen, the space is all yours, next time when somebody writes a critic thought, would be nice to say why somebody likes or dislikes something. Than perhaps, we could come to a point where we could express our thoughts about aesthetics and ethics and their connection in music and in general.

In the meantime....
Quite a famous horn player, whose work and sound I like as a leader and as a sideman.
This album has maybe been overlooked at the time, but it does not have to stay that way.

Nat Adderley on ’Little Big Horn’, from 1964. with Junior Mance Trio and Burrell or (and) Hall on guitars

https://youtu.be/lwyUzGUeWG0

https://youtu.be/D-ZTgnmXQ1E

https://youtu.be/CXZmdadgAt8

Glad you like it, for a such hard headed man you have a good taste.
I think I might have posted this earlier, but I could not resist, another great ('official' approval must come from Frogman), but overlooked horn player on splendid album.
Howard Mc Ghee quartet on  'Maggies back in town' from 1961.

https://youtu.be/nilp-xPq0Y0

Frogman, that was interesting and educative post. Thanks.

Acman, on first listen, it kind of reminded me on this,in a way...
Dutch group called 'Focus', album made few years before...

https://youtu.be/cCBMPdqDAS0

Of course that I like him just as same.
But, have you ever asked yourself, why do you like something?
I did, many times, for many different things and levels.
In fact, that is very important question everyone should ask himself.
More questions and answers, more self consciusness.
Music is not equal as 'all Art', but that could lead us to even bigger debate in trying to determine what art is. Still, could be interesting?
Music (or art) has only an emotional impact on you, but  not necessarily for somebody or everybody else.
Some things are perceptive thru mind or ratio only, but that does not stops us to appreciate them. Even more, when you first understand something, you may find the inner beauty of it, and than like it, like you did not before.
There are many examples for it, not just in Art.
I hope you would not get offended, but I expected more introspective thinking, because you seemed like a person with a big life expirience

Acman, did not tryed to make any point, only, just as I heard your clip, I thought about 'Focus' and I have not listened  them since high school.

If anyone is still interested,I propose some music, for a change....
 I guess the universal message should be same as the title of this next album.
Jimmy Forrest 'Sit down and Relax' from 1961. with Calvin Newborn on guitar (brother of Phineas)

https://youtu.be/kP3eWjXc4Nw

https://youtu.be/-wkiXzau3sg

Well, I guess that could be said for a quite few jazzmen or even artists in general. However,speaking of Getz and difficult personalitys, there is one 'relationship' (and album) that comes on my mind immediately.

It is 'Stockholm concerts' of Getz and Chet Baker, from 1983.(3 cd's album)
https://youtu.be/tLgkoERdI90


For reasons that are known only to them, they did not like each other, and that animosity lasted more than 30 years
(its been said, that Getz at a time was a heavy drinker, while Chet had othere prefrences, so maybe even their 'poisons' were not complementary, which is pity, as their music sounds as it is).
They recorded together only on three albums (as far as I know)

I have mix feelings towards biography books. On one side I am curious, on the other I know that much of the events are personal interpretations of the author, even if he was the witness of some events in other people lives.
Since almost all the jazzmen we have mentioned had endured all kind of different hardships in their life, reading about it makes it more demanding in sense that one should restrain himself of making judgemental conclusions, or else man could fall in trap of dislaking some work of art for a sake of dislaking artists personality. Even more, because we can never be certain are the written words realy true or not.
However, some things are often repeated, from different sources, so there must be some truth about it, speaking of Baker or Getz.
But, the fact that provacate me the most and it could be related to discussion that we had here recently is that you can read and understand that in 70's, such names as Baker and others, could not sell their music in the US.
At least, not in music form that they used to do. So, I dont know what came first, the so called creativity that led to different styles (read fusion) or perhaps the audience and market that realy did not care any more for stuff that we all like, here and now?
Answers, or better, questions about it could probbably lead us to another long discussion, but in any case I find such circumstances, and general public attitude towrds jazz or art to be very sad.
Regarding Getz or Baker, probably the Getz was more verstile, but I have more Chets albums.
Maybe because there are much more sax players with great sound (of course there are lot of great trumpet players as well) but Baker had that 'something' that was perhaps not even conected with jazz per se, kind of fame or aura that transcedent his playing into something more than pure music, in hearts and minds of many people.
So, if I was objective, I would agree with you, but on the other hand, as 'Statler' or was it 'Waldorf' would say, music (sometimes) is matter of emotions and there Baker wins it, for me, of course

Would somebody try to explain why this subforum has more than 1mil. views, couple of thausand posts and less than ten participants, recently anyway?
Is it because of jazz itself or is it about people and the type of discussion?

Another album of above mentioned Thad Jones that I can recommend.
It is called 'After Hours' from 1957.
The album is recorded with realy great line up that also includes Kenny Burrell,Art Taylor, Paul Chambers, Mal Waldron and Frenk Wess.
It is a great, relaxed session, sextet jam, all numbers are quite long and there is space for all men to play their solos.

https://youtu.be/pAI3jmbSBrg

https://youtu.be/uWRZVUAhroA

Herb Ellis is by all means quite known name in jazz world and yet dispite that I do not recall that we mentioned him here often. There are few of his albums that I like, here are the links...

'Thank you Charlie Christian' from 1960.
https://youtu.be/pjG4jxYIJNc

'Softly, but with that feeling' from 1961.
https://youtu.be/rjTwFBSjSew

There is album called 'Midnight Roll' from 1962. (H.E. and the all stars) that he made as a part of octet, not something that he usually does, together with Roy Eldridge, Buddy Tate, Ray Bryant and others, but could not find it on ytube. I can recommend it as well.