Hello Learsfool, I hope while being an interesting hour it was not too painful. I see your point of view and frankly believe most people would agree with you and Rok. Rok said he had never heard Bowie's playing, so I played some things for him and others, who also had not heard his playing, so they could make up their own minds.
I find his playing always interesting and full of humor, if not always a beautiful tone. As Frogman said, he quotes from the tradition( think Cootie Williams) as much as playing outside. Anyway, at least you now know you are not a fan. Perhaps, someone else might have found it had some
social redeeming qualities.
We all have different things we are looking for in music, and I appreciate and respect your opinions, but disagree in this instance. |
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I don't think we will be able to reconcile our differences in this matter, people have been arguing over it for 50 years. I like Frogman have 2 minds on free jazz, but if I had spent my life learning music, and practicing to sound RIGHT on my instrument, I might not be very tolerant of people like Bowie.
I ran across the first Lester Bowie video and laughed so hard I wanted to share with someone.
I was not intending to start a rucuss, but all the comments have been educational. Thanks! |
A patron walked up to a famous pianist and stated," I would give my life to play piano like you," to which he answered, " I already did." |
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Frogman, It just doesn't get any better than that. Red Garland is one of those talents you can listen to on many levels. Seems to be just playing simple song cords, but if you dig deeper into what he's doing you will always be rewarded. I've heard his stuff a hundred times and still hear new things. |
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O-10, Make sure you are Them and not Us.
Just make sure you spend your life giving not taking. If you start holding on to wealth you will never have enough. Think about it. |
I believe Jazz is in, or heading for another peak. Tremendous musicianship, and most of all great writing. Of course, some will pine for he past, which I also love, but really liking most of the directions Jazz is taking. |
i have been real busy. i will respond to links tonight. |
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Frogman,I thought the Joe Sullivan big band narrative showed how there are enclaves of musicians all over the world, perfecting their craft. Community. Striving to move forward, knowing if they stop growing and stretching, they will stop getting that RUSH of playing music. I thought it fit into the conversation without actually commenting myself. Listen again if you get a chance.
Joe Sullivan has been in rotation for a while on my local college station KNTU at the University of N.Texas, which as you may know is a pretty good school for JAZZ. Did you notice the Youtube had less than 50 views?
I am a fan of Fred Hirsch, and have several of his CD's. I love the last CD with Julian Lage. Lage was new to me .
I am familiar with Ted Nash. I will dig into his music more. I have only heard him in other peoples bands. I listened to a little of the Presidents Suites, but only little snippets.
I would be lying if I said I had heard Rich Perry. His playing, from what I have heard today, has a beautiful breathy tone. Very nice! I did notice he had a CD out with Jim Mcneely's music. I am a big fan of Mcneely's writing and piano playing, so that may be a good one for me.
I have Tim Hagan's Animation and the live CD that followed. Lost track after that. He is a very good trumpet player. Sometimes the style he WAS playing got in the way of how good he was. Always fun though.
I will have to look into the other players. Only so much time!
As far as Donny Mcaslin,I Iike his music. He is a good soloist. As Rok mentioned he did get a little long, but he is young and having a blast. I personally like a lot of electronic jazz. I will have to keep an eye on him.
Have you heard of a pianist named Chris Parker? |
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The trouble with trying to make yourself stupider than you really are is that you very often succeed.
C.S. Lewis |
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You can't go wrong with Louis. Like sex, there is no bad Louis Armstrong. I once played some Hot 5, for a friend who knew little about Armstrong, and after about 5 seconds he said ," Oh Cartoon music". I still laugh over that. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXHdqTVC3cA |
I had a pair of Polk LSI 15's in my living room around 2006 for a 3 day tryout. i choose to get Joseph Audio speakers, but I was only using an AV receiver with the Polk's. I thought the LSI was better than my old Polk SDA's, but I wanted a more transparent sound and moved on. By the time I decided on the Josephs I had a much better Krell integrated, so it's hard to say exactly what you are hearing.
I think your love of the Bey Sisters has more to do with what you REALLY like, and what others in this case find OK. No big deal, just enjoy! |
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Hey Rok, if you hit the markup tag, before adding the clips, they will be linked, and lazy people like myself will be more inclined to listen.
Seems like the pot calling the kettle black, as much as I mess up, but it would make it easier. |
O-10, I understand your stance. I think it all comes down to vocabulary. You want to hear the jazz language you love, but it constantly is changing. If you miss or ignore a generation the language gets further and further away from what you want to hear. The influence of NEW music has its effect on young musicians who are not living in the vacuum we created for ourselves. Then all of a sudden the language on even standards, we are very familiar with, sound foreign.
I do give you much props for not saying new musicians suck, but understanding you just like the old language. |
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Rok, You were adding the link till around 7/30 so you probably are just forgetting to click on "markup tags" below the posting box before posting links. |
Apologies O-10, if I misinterpreted your 8/2 post. Sometimes the Internet is hard to get, at least for me.
Your latter post regarding a certain sameness to new music, got me to thinking. In some ways I agree and others I disagree. I will try to sort out my thoughts and respond in the next few days. It would be much easier to discuss over a beer, but I will try. |
When I was listening to the Branford Marsalis Quartet playing A love Supreme, I thought it interesting that Joey Calderazzo was the most different in comparison to his counterpart in the Coltrane Quartet, McCoy Tyner. Very different players, but Calderazzo pulls it off.
I think Tyner was the glue that kept the latter Quartet from the abyss. |
If my memory serves me, the problem started when Coltrane started bringing in other players. Mccoy left 1st and then Elven Jones left shortly after when Coltrane started using Rashid Ali, as a second drummer. One report on Wiki, said McCoy could not hear himself, with all the sounds. Maybe someone else can add some more.
I read or heard an interview a long time ago where Mcoy and Elvin said they just had problems with the direction of the music. I tried to find it on the internet, so you could see their own words, but I did not find it. |
Yes, Frogman is absolutely correct. What I was calling the abyss, was where Coltrane wanted to go. He had not lost his way, but was finding it. |
Frogman,
In the whirlwind of sounds of the quartet and the quintet [ Sanders], I always could find " grounding" in the chords Tyner was playing. I think a player like Calderazzo would have been overwhelmed in that sound, but McCoy could always be heard. I always thought the other players heard the same thing. Maybe not.
It could be the way my mind dealt with the dense ideas happening all at once, |
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