He is not the only one to try and distance himself from Jazz. You put a microphone and camera on these guys and they all try to dis Jazz. Hell, makes me wonder why they didn't record for Deutsche Grammophon or Hyperion. Or better yet, why didn't the Berliners and Karajan ever do a session for Blue Note?
True that rok. One of the best posts I have read on JFA. The only classical music I have purchased is
Der Ring des Nibelungen ( The Ring of the Nibelung) - 3 different versions of the complete 4 cycle masterpiece. Yes one of them is the Karajan. Georg Solti "Hello Mr. Lion I need 20 hours of studio time to record at your studio. Is Mr. van Gelder available tomorrow?" Alfred Lion "Yes Mr. Solti but we don't know if we could fit your orchestra into his studio" |
C'mon men lets be friends.
It is wrong to put a "blanket statement" on any subject.
I say let rok stick to his old school jazz and call a lot of the music by older jazz artists who evolved and experimented, as well as the new "jazz" people....NOISE.
I agree with all of the frogman posts Re "what is jazz"
And I like a lot of Wayne Shorter's "new jazz" and I agree that jazz is at the core and is the foundation of his art.
I read Wayne's book. The man is arguably the most cerebral and philosophical musical artist ever.
Did anyone like my joke about George Solti and Alfred Lion??
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Thanks for sharing that link Alek.
I have long known about Miles infatuation with Jimi Hendrix. The 2 had planned on making an album at some point but Jimi died.
Miles once left Jimi alone with one of his girlfriends in his NYC house and told Jimi to read some new music he was working on.
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Jazz at his best....Like we dream about.... Complex lines melodically intertwined with rythms and harmonies that remind us that the territory of jazz and classical indeed intersect on earth like in heaven... Mahgister I dont know if you have ever listened to Sadao Watanabe. I have quite a few of his discs and I think you may like this album a lot. Sadao plays Bach: YouTube Music |
Thanks acman for the Ambrosetti
A Swiss born master
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Sad to hear of the passing of Pat Martino. He was a small and frail man but a GIANT of the jazz guitar. R.I.P. |
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Frank Morgan and Art Pepper have 4 things in common. They both belong on the list of greatest all time alto players.
They both had ongoing heroin addiction problems throughout their lives.
They both spent a substantial amount of time in prison.
They both overcame addiction and made monumental comebacks!
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Pwj, Good group of alto players, but you might have to add Parker, because most of your list was built on The Bird!
Yes, Parker’s innovations and technical virtuosity influenced not just every saxophone player, be it alto, tenor, soprano or baritone, but also every instrument played from the 40s through the 21st century.
Paul Desmond and Sonny Stitt belong on the greatest altoist list for sure!
Charlie Parker - Anthropology - YouTube
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The Op's last post was six month ago. Hope you are ok.
I hope orpheus10 is ok.
Baby Face Willette does not have a large output of recorded music but I like all of his albums and Eight Ball maybe his best.
But then again I am partial to Hammond B3 players. Who else would check all of the NYC Jazz venues to see when the late Dr, Lonnie Smith was coming to town?
I'm gonna miss the Doctor 😥
From his last recording session and a must - own (for me)
(28) Dr. Lonnie Smith - Why Can't We Live Together (Feat. Iggy Pop) - YouTube
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George Benson Cookbook featuring Dr Lonnie Smith on Organ
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I had the privilege of seeing Dr. Lonnie Smith live a dozen times at various NYC Jazz venues. A couple of times with Lou Donaldson as Lou and Lonnie collaborated on a few album recording sessions.
I also would check the NYC Jazz venues for Donaldson residences and would still be going to see Lou if he did not retire a few years ago. Lou is 95 years young!!
Dr, Lonnie Smith was named the year’s best organist by the Jazz Journalists Association nine times.
Here is a really good Downbeat Magazine article published the day after the Doctor passed away
In Memoriam: Dr. Lonnie Smith, 1942–2021 (downbeat.com)
@Mahgister I can recommend some Lou Donaldson and Dr. Lonnie Smith recordings if you are interested.
Here is one they collaborated on and its a really funky fun jam session featuring the great George Benson on guitar.
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Thank you frogman for the Emmet Cohen. I have been sampling his music all morning. Here is one with the French Jazz singer Cyrille Aimée
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All great choices with Lee Konitz as the stand out (for me, anyway).
Miguel Zenon
I have a handful of his CDs and like all of them.
Mariano and Macpherson
I need to make an effort to check out their recording catalogs.
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@ho249
David Sanborn definitely belongs on any list of great alto players. I own many of his CDs as a leader and sideman.
Sanborn recorded on a lot of sessions with tenor Michael Brecker who has been discussed here a lot recently.
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Thank you frogman for introducing me to the Interplay album been sampling all of the songs this morning and I just ordered the CD on Discogs.
BTW I have just about every Woody Shaw album and quite a few with him as a sideman. I am partial to this one:
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Hello frogman hope you are enjoying the summer so far.
As a "casual listener" of Brubeck I was wondering if you own the great album Dave Brubeck Quartet at Carnegie Hall 1963.
Morello drum solo (over 10 minutes) Castilian Drums is a long standing favorite of mine as is the whole album. Funny thing about the great Brubeck Quartet is many jazz aficionados do not like them.
Do you think its because of Brubeck’s compositions which have many variable time signatures like 11/9 for one. I have always liked the band and think the Paul Desmond, Eugene Write and Joe Morello are all outstanding professional musicians just like their leader Brubeck.
Lastly thanks for the great Max Roach clips
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Up late tonight
Where is our OP
Carry on
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pjw, I don’t think it is the odd meter tunes that cause some to be luke warm about Brubeck’s music
Hey frogman thanks for your take on Dave Brubeck and co.
pjw, I realize I'm commenting among the heavyweights here, once frogman joined in. But I'm a big fan of Brubeck individually, many of his quartets, and particularly when accompanied by Morello.
pryso your input on Brubeck and co. is welcomed as much as the frogman
Its interesting how the both of you mentioned the "white factor". I remember when I read Art Peppers great autobiography Straight Life that Art mentioned numerous times throughout the book his altercations with Afro American jazz musicians because of him being white. This was such a regular occurrence that Art developed a deep resentment towards black jazz musicians which did not subside until much later in Arts life after spending some years at San Quentin Correctional facility and sober houses.
Art had a great resurgence in the 70's and he and the great black pianist, George Cables, collaborated on the majority of Arts output as a leader during his "comeback" period.
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Paul, few pages back I have posted Paul Desmonds concert in Canada, if you do not have it, check it out...there is also a 7 cd edition of it...this one is double cd, on Verve, great sonics
Hello Alek hope your having a great summer. The 7 disc set is 300 bucks on Discogs so I settled for the 2 disc set
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Tete Montoliu with Rahsaan Roland Kirk, Tommy Potter, and Kenny Clarke
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Hey acman I ordered a Japanese UHD CD of Miles In Tokyo and listened to it last night. Great sonics and I agree that all the musicians are in great form but drummer Tony Williams really stood out - JMHO
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Ghost Riders In The Sky I like Cash and the Outlaws renditions
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This is a live master class just sharing
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I can’t imagine ever being “bored” with the existing supply of great recordings by great players.
I can definitely agree with this statement. And before I started to use Spotify to give a "test listen" I purchased a lot of CDs that I wished I had not.
If an artist is relatively new, or an older/obscure artist that for whatever reason I was not aware of, I can listen to them first and then spend my hard earned money if I like the artist and his or her artistry.
Been listening to the great Julian Edwin Adderley a lot lately, and "Cannonball" fits into @frogman the category of great recordings by great players in the quote.
These 3 albums should be in every jazz aficionados library. Cannonball was "canonized" by the time he played on all three. And the rest of the personnel on all three,
Canonized:
treat or regard as being above reproach or of great significance:
"he has been canonized by his fans"
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The drummers on all three albums I presented, Philly Joe Jones, Jimmy Cobb, and Art Blakey represent three of the greatest drummers in jazz history.
The same could be said about the bass players, Paul Chambers on the Miles Davis sessions, and Sam Jones on Cannaonball’s.
All four pianists as well represent the greatest in jazz, Red Garland on Milestones, Bill Evans and Wynton Kelly (1 track, Freddie Freeloader ) on KOB, and Hank Jones on Somethin’ Else.
This song, from the album Milestones, features just the rhythm section as Miles and Cannonball "laid out" making this 1 track a trio recording. IMHO, it is one of the greatest trio recordings ever made. I love the exchanges between pianist Red Garland and bassist Paul Chambers starting at the 2:50 mark, followed by Garland and drummer Philly Joe exchanges for the remainder of the song.
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I have been enjoying my "jazz on Sunday mornings" for over 3 hours now.
Louis Hayes also plays drums on this great Horace Silver album, of which the 9th edition of The Penguin Guide to Jazz Recordings
places the album among its suggested "Core Collection" of essential recordings, saying that it exemplifies Silver’s "virtues as pianist, composer and leader".
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Lastly, as time marched on many of the supposedly “obscure” players posted weren’t that obscure at all.
This drummer fits into this quoted category. A drummer, Louis Hayes, 86 years old and still with us, that is obscure to most but not us jazz aficionados. Hayes played on many of the great Cannonball Adderley session throughout the 60s.
From a Cannonball 1960 live recording titled The Cannonball Adderley Quintet Live in San Francisco we can hear how talented Hayes, then just 23 years old, was on the kit.
Cannonball’s intro announcement for the song Bohemia After Dark,
"Now we’re gonna give our drummer, Louis Hayes, a spotlight in a tune by Oscar Pettiford called Bohemia After Dark"
lets us know the treat we’re going to get by Louis Hayes’s drum exchanges and solo in the tune. From the album and also 2 awesome live videos of the same tune.
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Another Red Garland / Philly Joe Jones trio with Ron Carter on bass instead of Paul Chambers. The telepathy between Garland and Jones is still evident over 20 years after their middle/late 50s recording sessions.
Fast forward to the 15:50 mark for some excellent Red & Philly Joe exchanges!
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Still going strong on Sunday morning.....
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Philly Joe with a great group of personnel including Pepper Adams, Blue Mitchell, Julian Preister, Sonny Clark and Jimmy Garrison and, here's an "obscure player", tenor Bill Baron Jr., the older brother of the great pianist Kenny Baron
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Joey was just 51 years old. A sad day for jazz
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Houston Person at the Emmet Cohen jazz jam loft
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