I do not share the affection and respect for "Hanoi Jane" that others are talking about. If you are anti war and want to express your feelings and opinions which is your right as a United States citizen there are many other ways to do so without calling American soldiers murderer's and war criminals while they are dying for their country. Jane Fonda was, and still is, a traitor to her own country. What she did is detestable.
(8) Jane Fonda RARE BIO pt 9. - YouTube
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'Sweet and Lowdown' directed by Woody Allen from 1999.
Alek that looks like a great flicker show. I will see if I can stream it. |
Hey frogman I did not see your "jazz guitar lists" on the bottom of the last page. I read the first 2 which both have Joe Pass very high - number 1 on the second.
I'm gonna go through the rest now...
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They may not have budged Inna
That would take a herd of elephants.... David Gilmour is a great guitarist no doubt. But after playing for close to 60 years he cannot play like Govan and Mr. Malmsteen does not even come within a whif of Mr. Govan. Govan with his group "The Aristocrats" at the Frankfurt Jazz Festival.
(9) The Aristocrats Frankfurt Jazz Festival Live - Guthrie Govan - YouTube
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Good morning frogman
I agree with Oscar 110%!!!
Coleman Hawkins version of Body And Soul is another example of genius!!
I am 1/3 of the way through the Dexter Gordon book by Maxine (Little Red" Gordon and it is fantastic thus far. Maxine even dedicates 4 full pages to the "origins of be bop" |
@inna Your opinion that David Gilmour is the best rock guitarist is ok by me. It is an opinion, however, that I do not agree with. I am of the school of thought that when it comes to playing musical instruments of any kind that there cannot be a "definitive best". Everyone is moved differently by what the hear and feel. As an example, when Joe Satriani released "Surfing With The Alien" in 1987 everybody I know was floored. Comparisons with other guitarists in vogue at the time such as Slash from GNR were being debated by everyone every where. I was never a big fan of
Yngwie Malmsteen because of the direction he choose to go in his career and play the majority of the time was repetitious and, to put it lightly, pretentious. That does not mean I thought he was not talented - I know he is - just don't like his music.
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Joe Pass is alright, though he can’t really play, technically speaking. His ’voice’ lacks depth as well
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Just to prove a point @inna
Guthrie Govan is one of the greatest living guitarists on the planet Earth.
Here is a short video demonstrating some of his talent.
(8) Incredible Emotional Solo By Guthrie Govan - YouTube
And here are some excerpts from his Wiki page
Govan is known for his command of the guitar, due to both his technical ability and proficiency in various styles. A 2006 interview hailed him as the "virtuoso's virtuoso" and said of him, "Guthrie Govan is recognised by his peers as possibly the scariest guitarist alive. Combining an unparalleled technical ability with a mastery of almost all styles, Guthrie is comfortable comping in a traditional jazz combo as he is performing death-defying 'shred' guitar. Coupled with some seriously funky grooves and an encyclopaedic knowledge of popular music styles, a wonderfully developed slide style and improvisational abilities to match anyone, he may just be the most complete guitarist out there".
Govan's earliest influences were Jimi Hendrix and Cream-era Eric Clapton; as such he describes himself as coming from a "blues rock background". [2] While he is "wary" of 1980s technique driven guitar music ("shred") he cites the imagination of Steve Vai (as well as Frank Zappa, with whom Vai played) and the passion of Yngwie Malmsteen. Jazz and fusion elements are an important part of his style: he cites Joe Pass, Allan Holdsworth, Jeff Beck and John Scofield as pivotal influences in this respect. [3] He also admires a lot of modern guitar players with different styles such as Derek Trucks and Alex Machacek. Although a very able player in a diversity of styles, Govan has a distinct playing style typically characterised by long, smooth runs often using chromatic notes to "fill in gaps", his fast and fluid tapping up and down the neck, funky slapping, and occasional use of extreme effects. Govan has said that the guitar is simply a "typewriter" for getting a musical message across. Due to his experience in listening to music and working out riffs, Govan states that he is often able to visualise playing in his head without even playing and said that he pretty much has all of the notes in his head before writing something or learning to play something to produce the sounds that he wants.
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@inna Who mentioned anything about Gilmour’s vocals? So, as per the Wiki article mentioning how his peers in the guitar world hold him in such high esteem yet Govan makes no sense to you. so 1. Malmsteen makes so much sense, feeling, and technique in playing major and minor legato pentatonic scales continuously ad nauseum. 2. Pass has no depth or technique. 3. Govan makes no sense 4. Gilmour is the best. All that you say flies in the face of 99% of guitar aficionados. I agree with the poster above who said 1. There is no best guitarist 2. Sorry....Joe Pass did not even need any argument for his defense....Saying that Einstein is a moron mind is on the same level.... |
Don’t eat crow. If you prefer Di Meola that is fine. If I recall I said not one is better then the other but yea, I do know Holdsworth is held in such high esteem and is listed as a main influence of many of todays greatest guitarists.
BTW and FWIW a friend of mine Joe D has been playing guitar since he was 7 years old and his father also played guitar. He is 55 years old now and a very good player. He plays gigs at many of the Long Island concert halls and bar/restaurant establishments. If not for kidney problems which started in his early 30's he might have been able to do more. He recently received kidney transplants.
Anyway to the point. When I mentioned Holdsworth to him once he said and I quote "that guy is annoying!"
Joe D is a big Joe Bonamassa fan and has seen him live many times. You see Joe likes more blues oriented stuff like Bonamassa is known for. Everyone has different taste and likes different things. If we were all carbon copies what good would the world be.
But although Joe D said Holdsworth was "annoying" he also said he has deep respect for what he achieved and his playing. Just not what Joe D likes.
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There is NO greatest guitarist...
But there is some that are very great....
Could not have said it better myself. I see you have posted on the latest "audiophile expert/money burning" thread!
Are audiophiles crazy? | Audiogon Discussion Forum
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Happy Easter To All frogman liked all 3 of those Clark Terry clips. Nat Adderley on the cornet;
(10) Nat Adderley - That's Nat ( Full Album ) - YouTube
(10) HD - Nat Adderley Quintet - The Old Country - YouTube
flugelhorn or cornett?
It is as clear as day that the shape of the bore, irrespective of the instrument, will affect the sound that the instrument produces. If a brass instrument has a conically shaped bore, then the tone of the sound produces is warmer. However, the instrument will have fewer upper harmonics. On the other hand, if an instrument has a cylindrically shaped bore, then the tone of the sound it produces is brighter as compared to instruments with a conical-shaped bore. Additionally, the instrument will have more upper harmonics. The exception to this rule is the horn, otherwise, it is generally applicable to every other instrument. There is an archaic formula used to describe the shape of the flugelhorn and the cornet respectively. It states that the cornet has a bore that is half-cylindrical and half conical, while the flugelhorn is a third cylindrical and two thirds conical. Though a bit old-fashioned, this formula gives a slight clue on how the two instruments differ from one another, when it comes to the bore shape and consequentially, the sound the instruments make.
Full article here:
Flugelhorn vs. Cornet (What's The Difference?) - Pro Music Vault
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I have posted this at least a couple of times previously. It is one of my favorite records and a real sleeper which seems to stay under the radar. Amazing lineup:
frogman that is my favorite Larry Young session as well. I think it was his most acclaimed release and biggest seller. I am a big fan of Woody Shaw who plays terrific on Unity. I received my new interconnects this weekend. I will listen to a few songs from a solidly recorded source with my old cables then hook up the new and see if I can hear anything new or different. |
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Easter holiday and i am alone relaxing...
Went to see my kids and grandchildren today. I don't have the Larry Young "Complete Blue Note Recordings" its a little pricey. I do have all of the songs on it I believe most with Larry Young as the leader where session was released in his name (I have a dozen or so Young discs) and others where Larry sat in as a sideman. The first song you posted "People" is from a Grant Green album titled "Talkin' About" which I have in my large Grant Green collection (30 plus discs). The second tune "Talkin' About J.C." is from a Larry Young album titled "Groove Street" Both of those songs are excellent. Check out the funky side of Grant Green here with Emanuel Riggins instead of Young on the organ.
(10) Grant Green - Ain't It Funky Now - YouTube
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frogman I will let you know as soon as I have time to do it. I will also try a sub par source as you recommended. I started with these. Before you scoff at it just know that I have been using regular run of the mill RCA interconnects from the beginning except for my 10 foot long Blue Jeans subwoofer cables. All of my speaker wire (every channel) came from a 14 gauge 100 foot spool with crimped on banana connects throughout. Here is what I bought which is a big step up from what I had. RCA's
Amazon.com: BJC LC-1 Stereo Audio Cables, 3 Foot: Electronics
And a review of them from a knowledgeable person:
5.0 out of 5 stars Science speaks for itselfReviewed in the United States on February 6, 2016Verified PurchaseI have compared a variety of cables from all kinds of manufacturers and have learned that only 3 things matter in an interconnect. The first is shielding this is used to stop hiss and hum from getting into your equipment. Any length of wire can become an antenna and cause noise issues. This is solved with what is called a faraday cage. This is the same principle for why you are safer in a car when lightning strikes electricity flows around but not through you. Electricity wants to find the quickest path to ground or the path of least resistance. This is done in a cable by putting a copper braid around the signal conductor so the noise is grounded out before it can reach the center conductor. The next is capacitance, capacitance occurs when you put two pieces of metal next to eachother separated by an insulator. Capacitance is the charge built up and released electrostatically, because this is an out of phase signal (speaker push in it push out or vice versa) that cancels out it will cause high frequency roll off meaning your speakers will be less bright or lose details in the high frequency range. The next is inductance, when a charge moves through a wire it generates a magnetic field. An audio signal is constantly changing therefore its intensity the magnetic field can change as well. The longer the wire the more magnetic field around it. when the signal changes the magnetic field tends to hang around for a small bit of time. because the magnetic field is created after the signal goes through it the current it induces back into the wire is out of phase also causing high frequency roll off. Inductance is lower in priority because it mostly effects current rather then voltage. The next is resistance which because RCA audio is a high impedance the resistance is irrelevant because the resistance of going through the equipment is so high it is literally thousands of time larger then in a cable. How are all these combatted? For capacitance you want to space the conductors away from one another but inductance you want them closer, for shielding you want a thick layer of copper braid or aluminum foil surrounding the center conductor. Ideally you want a precise balance of how close or far the conductors are so the only solution is shrinking the conductor. Decreasing the surface area therefore less capacitance and less inductance for more resistance you make the conductor thicker but with high impedance loads you can make it about as thin as you want with the exception of shielding. Because the shielding has less resistance then the center conductor so the faraday effect can take place which is also helped by the high impedance of the format. With all that said this is by far the best cable you can get all science included sturdy build, thick copper shielding, small center conductor, great connectors and of course USA made. With all that said here are some measurements i did with a DER EE DE-5000 LCR meter at 10khz where i found the best results i compared belkin, acoustic research, monster cable, wireworld audioquest and some DIY ones i had from mogami 2534 mic cable and a shortened monster component cable with new connectors. The lower the numbers here the better :
Cable Test 10khz
Interconnects
BJC LC-1 3ft
cap: 44pf
ind: 0.62uH
ohm: 0.589
AR master series 6ft
cap: 160pf
ind: 1.5uH
ohm: 0.15
AR performance series 3ft
cap: 90pf
Ind: 0.75uH
ohm: 0.117
AR master series comp 3ft
cap: 63pf
Ind: 0.4uH
ohm:0.030
AR master series comp 6ft
cap: 113pf
Ind: 0.7uH
ohm: 0.049
Wireworld Luna 1.5ft
cap: 145pF
ind: 0.3uH
ohm: 0.116
Wireworld solstice 1.5ft
cap:160pF
ind: 0.28uH
ohm: 0.107
Audioquest Chicago 1.5ft
cap: 64.5pF
ind: 0.46uH
ohm: 0.058
Monster 300mk2 3ft
cap: 114pF
ind: 0.86uH
ohm: 0.121
Belkin pureav blue 3ft
cap: 120pF
ind: 0.76uH
ohm: 0.16
Monster m1000comp DIY 1ft
cap: 30pf
ind: 0.26uH
ohm: 0.021
Monster m1000comp 4ft
cap: 71pf
ind: 0.56uH
ohm: 0.035
Mogamj 2534 2ft
cap: 110pF
ind: 0.29uH
ohm: 0.043
The above RCA interconnects bridge my AVR to my 2 channel 250wpc XPA2 Emotiva amp which powers my 2 JBL towers front R and L. And here is the speaker cables from the amp to the towers.
Amazon.com: Blue Jeans Cable Ten White Speaker Cable, with Welded Locking Bananas, 6 Foot (Single Cable - for one Speaker); Assembled in The USA: Electronics
Some quick reviews Sound improvement:
I don't quite believe in burning in for cables. I have been using Chord Carnival Silverscreen copper cables and Chord Odyssey 2 silver cables for a couple of years. The BJ ten whites opened up the highs - kind of difficult to describe the experience in words but these cables did make a positive difference and improve sound quality overall. Made me believe much more than ever before that cables actually do make a difference in audio quality. Would highly recommend BJ speaker cables. I have these going from a Marantz PM8005 to Dynaudio Emit M30s with a Oppo UDP as the source. Can't wait to try these on my second system - a Hegel H80, KEF R300 and Marantz CDP.
And the typical tunnel vision audiophile hater:
Can't touch this quality for the price. Companies selling grossly overpriced cables with diminishing returns should be ashamed. If you're looking for an upgrade for a serious hi-fi (I cringe at the term "audiophile") these absolutely do the trick for your kit.
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I have not tried my experiment yet. I do have the BJ cables now but I need a couple hours time to listen to the same songs through the same source with my current 5 dollar RCA interconnects and 14 gauge speaker wire with crimped on banana plugs.
I will then connect all the new BJ cables and see if there is a difference.
As far as your situation the only answer I could give would be to drop the 85 bucks Amazon price for two 6 foot long BJ 10 gauge white with banana plus welded on and see if it make a difference. If not Amazon does take returns in most cases. |
Well now I know how to stop this thread cold in its tracks. Post some Technical junk. LOL Anyway back to the thread topic Just received this disc today to get some early Dexter Gordon impressions. Look at the lineup on the cover. All jazz Hall Of Famer's Eckstein had very distinct vocals. I like it. At 1 minute Billy says "blow Mr. Gene (Ammons) blow Mr. Dexter too"
(13) Blowing The Blues Away - Single - YouTube
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Why one of the best vibraphonist i know of has recorded so little?
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I was personally unawares of Walt Dickerson until your post. He is a very melodic vibe player for sure. I am going to sample more of his material on You Tube. |
pjw, I read every word.
Of my Eckstein post or the cable tech? LOL |
Hate to post technical stuff because last time I did everyone stopped posting for 2 days. LOL.
I plan on conducting my cable experiment on Sunday. It may take a few hours because I will listen to just 1 song with old cables then the same song played through the same transports with new cables.
Then I will put back old cables and repeat with a second song.
I feel this is the only accurate way to accomplish this. I have chosen the source discs. They are as follows.
A new (2020) release of J.C's. A LOVE SUPREME. Its a Japanese pressing using the DSD source on a
MQA-CD, UHQCD remaster format.
I picked it up last week after the guys on the Steve Hoffman music forums confirmed it was one of the best sounding re-issues of this classic.
My favorite Paco de Lucia album ALMORAIMA 2006 Remaster Spain (originally recorded 1990).
And lastly, at frogman's suggestion, Sonny Rollins' A NIGHT AT THE VILLAGE VANGUARD RVG remaster from 1999. (originally recorded 1957).
Wish me luck.
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I hope you like some of these talented artists and you will further explore their work.
I will definitely check out the artists you mentioned. Thanks for posting. |
frogman and ghosthouse
As per your suggestions I have hooked up my new IC's and speaker cables. I will just leave them in for a few weeks break in period and then switch back to old and listen. I will do album by album as well.
Again same source disc and transports will be used.
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Alek
I don't know if you live in an apartment building or house.
I live in a house and have a 100 amp service in the basement just to the left (south wall) of my system which is on the west wall. I have installed dedicated outlets for my 2 subwoofers and my AVR and Amplifier. the feeds to these outlets I used approximately 15 feet of 10/3 (10 gauge single strand) for both receptacles I then ran straight to my 100 amp service panel into two 20 amp circuit breakers.
I do not think I need any power conditioners or power cables reason being I am not in an apartment complex where there are thousands of feet of wire running to all sorts of outlets and switches and fixtures before reaching your system receptacles. |
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I have Elvin Jones "Live at the Lighthouse" Volumes 1 and 2.
Personnel:
E Jones drums
Steve Grossman tenor and soprano saxophone
Dave Liebman tenor and soprano saxophone
Gene Perla bass
NO PIANO.
I got it a few months back when frogman suggested I listen to Bob Berg, Steve Grossman and Dave Liebman. I have listened to it quite often as I bought a Japanese remaster in UHQCD format and the sonics are superb.
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rok I have been gradually collecting all of Dexter Gordon's releases on the Steeple Chase label which he recorded while living in Copenhagen and Paris for 14 years.
I don't have "Biting the Apple" yet but plan on getting it. No Dexter collection is complete without his many sessions, live and studio, recorded in Europe.
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As some of you know, the OP turned me on to Oscar Pettiford.
Our OP is MIA for nearly a month now. I hope his health is well and he is OK. Thanks for sharing the Oscar Pettiford Orchestra album. I recognize a lot of the bands members except
French Horn – David Amram, Julius Watkins and
Harp – Janet Putnam
Speaking of women jazz musicians Melba Liston was a really good trombone player.
(25) Melba Liston - Melba And Her Bones ( Full Album ) - YouTube
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I had a 7" 45 RPM vinyl copy of "THE DOCK OF THE BAY" on the "Volt" label. I was about 10 years old at the time. I also post music from time to time that is not jazz. Yesterday I posted a couple of Bee Gees tunes after our resident bird watcher Marija had brought up the relationship/love topic. The "OVER THE RAINBOW" on the ukulele is cool. This ukulele (banjo) song is probably the most well known in the USA. Fast forward to 2:45.
(28) Deliverance - Dueling Banjos (HQ) - YouTube
Another version of OVER THE RAINBOW by the alto master Art Pepper
(28) Over The Rainbow - YouTube
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Great Monk rok Here is another live monk recording that gets a lot of repeated plays this way. **Thelonious Monk - Big Band and Quartet** Monk’s third album for Columbia Records, recorded live at the newly completed Philharmonic Hall at Lincoln Center, NYC, on Monday, December 30, 1963. The original LP release omits three compositions, "Bye-Ya," "Misterioso," and "Light Blue," and to save space also Dunlop’s drum solos were edited out. The entire unedited concert was released in 1994 as a two-disk album. I have the complete 2 disc concert 1994 mentioned above which includes 3 of the following 4 songs that were omitted on the original LP. Saxophones are Phil Woods on alto and Charlie Rouse on tenor and Steve Lacy on soprano. Thad Jones on cornet and Nick Travis on trumpet. Eddie Bert on trombone and Gene Allen on
Baritone Saxophone, Bass Clarinet, Clarinet. Butch Warren on bass. Frank Dunlop on drums. Phil Woods also plays the
Clarinet on a few songs. (30) Light Blue (Live) (Lincoln Center) - YouTube (30) Evidence (Live) (Lincoln Center) - YouTube (30) Misterioso (Live at Lincoln Center) - YouTube (30) Bye-Ya (Live) (Lincoln Center) - YouTube |
acman jumps on the Monk Trane! More great Monk. |
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Exactly! That’s the genius. Kind of like sprinkling a little salt on an orange. You wouldn’t think it possible, but it makes it sweeter.
My wife does this with pineapple as well but you have to watch out because too much salt and to me its unedible. More Monk with Rouse live and at the beginning of the song playing almost note for note again.
(30) Thelonious Monk Cuarteto en Dinamarca-1966 - YouTube
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Notice how incredibly together and tight Monk and Rouse are playing this typically Monkish disjointed and obtuse melody. Very hard to do and not heard too often:
frogman that is a great Monk video. I noticed that Rouse was playing the same emphasis on "the one" and is also playing practically note for note with Monk until the 1 minute mark. At this point Rouse's solo from approximately the 1 minute to 4 minute mark is a 3 minute improvised solo that still seems to follow Monk's direction. After Frankie Dunlop's drum solo ends at the 8 minute mark, Rouse and Monk play the same way they did throughout the first minute until the songs end. Really cool tune. |
pjw, yes, Woody Shaw was there. Great shows and a lot of excitement in the air. The shows I attended were at the Village Vanguard, not the Village Gate. The recording in acman’s clip is from those shows at the Vanguard. Nice KC/FB!
Froggy that must have been an incredible show!
Did you take any photos of LTD and Woody?
Do you remember the 3 musicians in the rhythm section?
I know it was over 4 decades ago but I bet you know!!
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“over four decades ago”!!!! I’m showing my age
I graduated HS in 1981 so, froggy you are not much older than I am.
Louis Hayes is a great drummer that has appeared on hundreds of studio recording sessions with all of the great jazz musicians of lore. From Sonny Stitt to Vincent Herring.
George Cables is a great pianist and has hundreds of studio recording sessions as well. Besides his own catalog as a leader, he played with Sonny Rollins, Art Pepper (a lot), and Frank Morgan to name a few.
Both Hayes, 84, and Cables, 74 are still alive and making music!!
Ronnie Mathews and Eddie Gladden are no slouches but Stanford James is drawing a blank with me.
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Very good Lovano Pjw. Do you know Mulgrew Miller?
Yes of course. Although I have none of his albums with him as the leader I have too many discs to count that he plays piano on. His discography is massive. I have been looking to buy a a few discs released with Mulgrew as the leader. Any suggestions? |
Thanks acman for the Mulgrew Miller links. I also like the New Jersey/Russian duet links. Kikoski gets around a bit. Great pianist as well. I think I have some Mingus Big Band discs with Kikoski on piano.
Gunslinging Bird - YouTube
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