Jazz for aficionados
All the Jazz Greats did not drop dead on December 31st 1969. We should not forget that. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJaD09M5Iko&index=8&list=PLAC85D311E5B23FE6 cheers |
Alex and O-10, Thanks for the input: Well, I'll go first: Got this from Wiki. They mention "Jazz Approach" and "Jazz Elements". They never call it Jazz. Jazz fusion is a musical fusion genre that developed from "mixing funk and rhythm and blues rhythms and the amplification and electronic effects of rock music, complex time signatures derived from non-Western music and extended, typically instrumental compositions with a jazz approach to lengthy group improvisations, often using wind and brass and displaying a high level of instrumental technique. It was created around the late 1960s. The term "jazz-rock" is often used as a synonym for "jazz fusion" as well as for music performed by late 1960s and 1970s-era rock bands that added jazz elements to their music". -- wiki My personal opinion is, it was just an invention to give the "hip" folks of the 70's something to embrace. Those that considered themselves too "Hip" for Rock and their unwashed moronic fans. Then some of the Jazz guys followed the money. It is what it is. I listened to it, bought it, thought it was Jazz. All before I knew better. Cheers |
*****The 70's was a tough decade for pure jazz, ****** Very true. I noticed that if you google 70's Jazz, seems as if every link comes up with the word 'Fusion' in it. I also notice a lot of artist just didn't seem to record in the 70's. Sad era. BTW, the correct term for pure, or real Jazz, is 'Jazz-Jazz.' Hey, you gotta go with the flow, so the current hipsters can understand what we are talking about. Cheers |
Aficionados: Since I was not familiar with Buster Williams, I checked him out on Amazon. Only one entry. "Something More". Not the clip Alex submitted. The one CD listed had two reviews. This one caught my eye. "Much of this album is sheer pain. Wayne Shorter has apparently gone into the never-never land of pop rock and spends much of his time screeching. The last cut is at least bearable. It makes one weep to see what the current culture has done to jazz giants of the past. The Japanese trumpet player is copying early Miles. The others are all too often making noise. As an antidote, check out Buster Williams, Herbie Hancock, and Al Foster at Montreaux on YouTube. They could still play beautifully and powerfully in 1987." -- Amazon Reviewer See, I am not alone. Notice the last word of the first paragraph. Many people agree with this atitude. Cheers |
Alex: Blues Blues Blues Nothing but the Tonic: Enjoyed it. The guitar player was good, but the Piano player was the class of this group. They stayed true to the genre. Blues in the Closet: To my ear, not as good as the first clip. The organ, combined with the bass, sort of overpowered the tune. Things got sort of jumbled. Should have stayed with the piano. Is that a standard? If not, the whole thing sounded derivative. Thanks for the clips. Cheers |
Today's Listen from the 1970: Freddie Hubbard -- RED CLAY A little funky tinge, but surely within the bop camp. Hubbard / Henderson / Hancock / Carter / Lenny White. I guess no one totally escaped the prevaling winds of the times. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4OjuCA-SsJM Cheers |
O-10: Don't get me started on Disco. They could have been the only folks in the 70's that knew what they were doing. It was as big or bigger in Europe as anywhere, and I was right there. Oh, the memories!! I'll call your 5th of Beethoven, and raise you this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7EfnYwpmOE Cheers |
O-10: Jean Luc Ponty: I think most Jazz musicians try to play what they feel inside of them. Like in Nica's book, many just wished they could play what was in their head. That makes for good Jazz. Original and creative Jazz. MY IMPRESSION is that music like this, is made up as they play it. It's not inside anyone's head. It's like they are saying, "let's try this and see how it sounds". One critic once said about Sergei Rachmaninoff, "All his music sounds like Movie Theme Music". I stopped buying his stuff after I read that. :) Some things just stick The Ponty music comes across to my ear as Mood music. It's meant to put a person in a certain modd, or to sound interesting and unique, but you cannot remember it after the performance is over. You can't walk around with this stuff in your head, or sing/hum it. It's for the moment only. But, it was not bad. I just couldn't get into it. And that could be MY problem, and not Ponty's music. Cheers |
I realize we may upset the purest, but this is as pure as it gets! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nk0_PDhuguc |
Duke Ellington -- THE AFRO-EURASIAN ECLIPSE - 1971 Gong: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M86dxZcuPhU Acht O'Clock Rock: Et Tu Duke?? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_W0a_wPSgM I think everyone was affected / infected by the scourge. I like "Gong". Both actually. Hell, I like the entire CD. WTF, It's The Duke!! I guess he had been recording for around 45 years when he did this. The Band sounds more 'modern'. Cheers |
Review of Donald Byrd's "Places and Spaces" "This is not an album designed for people who want to hear ONLY hard bop, post-bop, or other styles of "JAZZ jazz". It's not designed to showcase stunning, transcendent horn playing. It's for fans of sophisticated, plush, funky R&B." --Amazon Reviewer. Well said. Check out the Jazz jazz comment. Gotta love it. You have Fusion-Jazz, Rock-Jazz, Funk-Jazz, Soul-Jazz, Free-Jazz, Avant-Grade-jazz, and now we have Jazz-Jazz., Brilliant!! Thats the kind we all know and love. I will use this from now on. BTW, the clip was nice. Cheers |
O-10: Jutta Hipp. I remember her from back in the day. I have her Blue Note LP, "At the Hickory House". If I recall correctly, she eventually pulled a 'Miles' on us, and left Jazz and went into working as a seamtress. That was a nice Clip, thanks mostly to Zoot. Had he had a proper first name, he might have gone all the way. Trumpet players and Sax players are the gunslingers of Jazz, so you gotta have a name befitting that image. Cheers |
*****I heard the incredible Michael Brecker; perhaps the greatest saxophone virtuouso to ever live (really!) and who would become the voice of fusion saxophone.***** He could have been. I would go so far as to say, he is Fusion!! His contributions to Jazz, are exceeded only by those of the Trumpet Virtuouso, Maurice Andre. Cheers |
**** we can stay in this decade as long as you like, or leave anytime you get ready.***** Wow!! You Folks ready to move on so soon? I thought we would be talking about this wonderful and interesting music for months!! I'll see you guys when you complete the loop. I'm brushing up on Jelly Roll as we speak. Cheers |
O-10: You are right about all the 'Filler' on current day CDs. The increased time is difficult for a lot of players to fill with quality music. Lee morgan? I thought I had all of his 'must-have' stuff, but "The Procrastinator" is currently in my CART, Along with the recommended, Dinah Washington's "DINAH JAMS". Thanks. Cheers |
Ramonron: Nice clips. I don't consider 1972 to be 'New-Jazz'. These clips fit right into the mainstream of what's normally posted on this thread. I was looking forward to your commentary. You didn't say anything. After all that build-up about intellectual levels, I expected more insight. Here I was, sitting here, almost overcome with anticipation, stenographer's pad and pencil at the ready, and what do we get? Nothing. What's up with that? Cheers |
Today's Listen: Bobby Timmons -- THIS HERE IS BOBBY TIMMONS All his 'hits' are here. Nice fleeting touch on the keyes. No pulverizer here. His style sort of reminds me of Gene Harris. Some people call this Soul-Jazz, I call it Jazz-Jazz. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FB2P1oaP-gk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNjRQo-zpKA The first CD to be played thru my new Polks LSIM705's. Cheers |
O-10: From the sound of the voice, I thought it was a woman. Just had to see. https://thejazzword.wordpress.com/2014/02/23/just-who-was-pee-wee-marquette/ Cheers |
Comments Anyone? Beethoven’s Last Piano Sonata: Does it Anticipate Jazz? This epic Piano Sonata in C Minor, Opus 111, isn’t the last piano work Beethoven published (his staggering Diabelli Variations, Opus 120, arrived a bit later), but it’s his last piano work in the sonata form,........Jeremy Denk, among other contemporary pianists, has described elements of the second movement as “proto-jazz” and “boogie woogie.” Okay, point taken, but there’s so much more. -Nick Moy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ljq4MwzAbo Speaking os Sonatas, listened today to: Mozart -- THE VIOLIN SONATAS with Perlman and Barenboim. Ain't got it, git it. Cheers |
O-10: I have both of the MJQ CDs. The Swingle Singers disc I don't like. It's one of the type of discs I will use to justify buying the Mingus Box Set. :) It was a nice try, but no cigar. Not very good Jazz or Classical. Or at least it was not interesting enough. Now I will have to revisit my 'Blues on Bach' album by MJQ to see if they fared any better there, with the classical tyhingy. 'Concorde' is owned by everyone calling themselves a Jazz lover. The MJQ creates a sound you never get tired of hearing. They play Exquisite Jazz, and 'softly as in a morning sunrise' is typical. They also look and act the part. What's not to like?? I remember a guy from NYC I knew in college, introducing me to MJQ, and what he called 'Third Stream' Jazz. I don't think that worked out. Cheers |
Sometimes the 'connections' or 'influences' we make are extremely tenuous. You can reach a point where we can say all music was influenced by the first human that ever hummed a sound. He/she created notes and phrases., without having any possible concept of music. O-10's point of view, seems to me, to be the most correct one, with a few exceptions. Such as: ****Presently, after so many contributions, it's lost definition (according to me).***** We will agree to disagree on all this 'contributions' stuff. A person cannot make a 'contribution' to Jazz, with something that you cannot define as Jazz. Let's be generous, and just say, they made a contribution to 'music'. BTW, I had no opinion on the piece I posted. Just thought it would create discussion. But I did not 'hear' the boogie woogie. I was listening for 'Pine Top' :). And, after all, the piece did not come from Mt Horeb. Good points by all. Cheers |
O-10: The only question I would have would be the sound quality. All live performances, in 1964-65. But, Mosaic does have a reputation for excellence. It will be as good as it can be. I am not sure you can still get all the individual concerts on seperate CDs. Of the ones listed as part of the set, I only have 'Town Hall'. If you just brought all his 5 star stuff, you could still go broke!! But when you consider the packaging, and the booklets, with the photos, I think it's worth the money. It's more of an 'investment' than any piece of audio gear. I never quibble about cost when it comes to buying music. Now gear, that's another question. I was looking at this very offer the other day, when I found the Beethoveen Sonata article. I have always wanted to buy something from Mosaic, but in most cases I did have most of the material on seperate CDs, but not in this case. And this is MINGUS! I listened to the samples on the Mosaic site. I think I will get it. I will rationalize this way: I have a lot more than $119 tied up in CDs that I hate, and never listen to. Convinces me every time! :) Cheers |
Yiippeee!!! I won the "how long will he stay away" betting pool. I selected less than 24 hours!! My prize? I won all, and I mean ALL, of the OP's Kenny G collection. A suggestion to The Frogman, if I may be so bold. You should submit music that you like, tell us why you like it. Daily. In English. From a pro's perspective. Examples of, sort ot thing. You seldom do this. Mostly, you react to, and comment on what others post. If you did this, communication would be greatly improved. Keeping in mind, telling us that a piece is great or not great, does not mean we will agree. I am still pissed over the short shrift given the Bey sisters. An absolute outrage! Welcome Back. Cheers |
While listening to 'Big Band Sunday' on the local PBS station I heard this tune 'drop me off uptown'. A male female duo. Heard the man say 'anita' and the woman say 'Roy', so I figured it was the OP's girl friend, Anita O'day, with Roy Eldridge. Goggle confirmed it. This would have been considered fairly 'risque' in 1942. But, there was a war going on. After the clip, is a short piece about her entitled 'The Jazz Life'. Anita had such a sexy voice back in the day. Even while just speaking. I now realize she is on this radio station a lot. Where would we be without the internet? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8yaW6BluwY Cheers |
Today's Listen: Tuck & Patti -- TEARS OF JOY Recorded in 1988 This is a lot better than I remember it being. Played it last night in the dark. Nice. Patti can sing, and Tuck knows his way around the guitar. Just a duo, but they sound like a larger group. All the tunes are good. No filler here. Brought back many memories. The track 'Better than Anything', was like a time capsule, esp when she sings "better than an Emile Griffith fight". I just smiled at that one. Windham Hill recording. Excellent sound. The Time after Time clip shows how long they have been together. Not quite the Fox she once was, but the talent is still there. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIVjCJ3jNDw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkOMDFNA5zo Cheers |
O-10: Dead Can Dance: AWESOME! Some of these things work better than others. Wonderful music. The visuals were outstanding, and with such vivid colors!! A really good match of sounds and visuals. Is there a name for this type of art? BTW, your opinion of Jacky Terrasson seems to be the prevailing opinion on several online sites. I guess he goes back on the shelf, right next to the Bey sisters. :( Cheers |
And the hits just keep coming. Art Blakey Quintet -- A NIGHT AT BIRDLAND Who is Pee Wee Marquette? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAR-ESxB5Go Silver, Blakey and Brown in the same group!! Should violate some fairness doctrine. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kdb1bUaBIVk And a few more very good Dat Dere's: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTsU_xoNyMY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YeIHxZlES3c Cheers |
O-10: Shadowfax: Excellent!! Enjoyed them both. I vaguely remember the name, but I don't own any of their stuff on CD. This is legitimate music. If these cuts are representative of the entire CDs, I will look them up on Amazon. I still don't understand the apparent need for visuals. These tunes stand on their own merit. Re your Kenny G collection: What size U-Haul truck will I need? Thanks for the Shadowfax clips. Cheers |
O-10: Andreas Vollenweider: Both tunes nice and catchy. Both could have been played on regular Jazz instruments. I guess the ideal was to be other worldly. Nothing as common and earthly as a Tenor Sax. I liked his harp playing, in spite of myself. :) Worth noting that their first performance was at a 'Jazz' festival. When they can't classify it, they throw it in with the Jazz music. Your list of player credits, failed to give credit to the guy on Water!! Nice atmospheric stuff. I consider it purposely manufactured. Since they call it "New Age", I can't complain about folks calling it Jazz. Cheers |
Today's Listen: Jacky Terrasson -- REACH Great hype surrounded Terrasson when he first appeared on the scene. I will have to check out his latest efforts. Lots of live youtubes available. He 'pulverizes' the keyboard, sort of like Chucho. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eK0VS7mFJwo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btDHv7hI_Cs Interesting notes by Mark Levinson concerning the recording techniques used to record this album. Blue Note Cello-recorded series. Levinson is President of Cello LTD. First I have heard of it. The recorded sound is excellent. Cheers |
Today's Listen: Lee Morgan -- THE PROCRASTINATOR Got this one the other day along with the Bobby Timmons CD. What a lineup of players!! All tunes by either Morgan or Shorter. Loved the vibes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RpEcB5mHoCk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-19pvSWcfZM Cheers |
More great Music / Trumpet playing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWUb5AR7W8M https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAfYg8haw1s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCOfFqnPwlU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1m-ofRT3ni4 Two really great songs. Just listen to the words. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViV86TQI3ok https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBtdzBHQLMY Cheers |
Asian Lounge - Ja Nam / Ancient Future Both Very good. I liked Ja Nam best. It had more of that Oriental twang. These tunes are a lot closer to Jazz than a lot of the stuff being produced in this country today. As I have said before, the most beautiful song I have ever heard, was sung by a Korean woman, in Korean. Do not know her name, or the name of the song, or what the song was about. But I am sure, it was about longing and loss. Because that is what it said to me. Proves that music is surely the universal language. Cheers |
Barron: Sounded like Jazz-Jazz to me. Of course with a little help, there would be no doubt. Such as: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlUUbylwdnc Cheers |
