O10 I'm at your service. Chico Hamilton's "Man From Two Worlds" is a very good album and "Forest Flower" is my favorite song on it. A few months ago I picked up a 3 CD set titled "Chico Hamilton and Eric Dolphy the Complete Studio Recordings" and I liked it so much I decided to buy one album from before the Hamilton/Dolphy period of the late 50's which features Buddy Collette on sax and flute and one after the H/D period with Charles Lloyd taking the sax flute chair and the one I bought was "Man From Two Worlds" On all of the material I mentioned above there is great "interplay" between the guitarist and the sax/flute. Buddy Collette/Jim Hall, Charles Lloyd/Gabor Szabo, and Eric Dolphy/John Pisano. Here is the Hamilton/Collette album I have. It is a 24 bit remaster on CD.
HAMILTON, CHICO QUINTET - Complete Studio Recordings + Bonus Tracks - Amazon.com Music
And a song from it.
(3) Chico Hamilton Quintet - Blue Sands - YouTube
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Dexter Gordon: "Tanya" Good morning keegiam "Tanya" is not only my favorite Dexter Gordon song its one of my favorite all time jazz songs as well. My "One Flight Up" CD is high up on my top 50 jazz discs in my collection. LTD’s long improvised solo on "Tanya" is simply a thing of beauty. I once listened to it repeatedly with my headphone gear just to hear all the nuances in that solo. I now have over 40 Dexter Gordon albums in my collection since I started acquiring all of his "Steeple Chase" label live sessions from when he lived in Denmark. |
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Thank you very much Pjw for presenting the many different phases of "Donald Byrd" Where do you fit this one in?
O10 that is a great album that I have in my Byrd collection. All star cast of musicians on that including Pepper Adam's who collaborated with Byrd on quite a few albums. You should check out some of Byrd's earlier sessions with Gigi Gryce.
BYRD, DONALD / GRYCE, GIGI - Complete Jazz Lab Sessions - Amazon.com Music
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Yesterday, the birthday of one of the great tenor players and a personal favorite was overlooked. George Coleman has a very distinctive voice and is one of the most lyrical of tenor players. Very modern tone, but with few if any “Coltranisms”; something that was practically impossible to avoid by most post-60’s tenor players.
frogman I listened to those tunes you posted last night but was too tired to comment. I fell asleep at 8pm after a long work day. I liked them all and I must confess that I have neglected George Coleman's albums as a leader. I have many albums led by other musicians with him on TS but none with him as a leader. Getting His albums will now be one of my missions. Suggestions will be welcomed. |
Anyone who has heard Dexter live understands why all he had to do was “be himself” in an acting role.
Frogman I agree with everything you wrote on this post. I have the relatively new Dexter Gordon book titled "Sophisticated Giant the Life and Legacy of Dexter Gordon" written by his widow Maxine Gordon. I have not read it yet as I'm finishing up another book but it will be next. |
Good posts and commentary, pjw. Couldn’t agree more on Byrd as a composer Good Morning frogman. And, as I pointed out, he wrote "Tanya" for Dexter Gordon’s "One Flight Up" session which, IMHO, is one of the best Hard Bop compositions ever. Byrd with Hancock, another great composer, with Pepper for the icing on the cake): Great album that I have in my Donald Byrd collection. Hancock’s career as a musician and composer from the 60’s until now may be un matched by any other musician during the same time period. He has been at it for close to 60 years and still looks like he just turned 60 years of age. He definitely takes good care of himself. One wonders how he managed to do that surrounded by myriads of substance abusers all these years. |
O10 The 4 disc box set titled "The Complete Jazz Lab Sessions" released in 2013 currently sells for astronomical prices. I only have the first volume on CD. Its strange they sell the 1st 3 volumes individually but I cannot seem to find a "volume 4" so the 4th disc probably contains previously un released music which is only available on the 4 disc box. Here is the one I have:
Donald Byrd • Gigi Gryce - Complete Jazz Lab Studio Sessions #1 (2006, CD) | Discogs
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This seems like quintessential Monk to me. Japan, 1963. 38 mins.
keegiam That is a great Monk video (Japan) Thanks for posting that. |
acman That
Abdullah Ibrahim is not bad at all. I will research him a bit more when I have time. |
RE Charlie Rouse.
Another fine tenor player I have neglected to buy any albums with him as a leader along with George Coleman.
I have been searching through Coleman's catalog and found quite a few. Even some newer dates up to 2019.
Thanks Alek for the Rouse suggestions. |
010 as I stated last week. After much research I found out that the recording of Grant Greens guitar on the album "Nigeria" was screwed up by Van Gelder. This has been cleaned up a lot by certain remasters.
The other 2 albums on the 2 disc compilation, "Oleo" and "Goodens Corner" did not have the distortion and muddled sound exhibited by Grants guitar on the original recording analog masters.
This occurs only on "Nigeria"
I have a stand alone disc of "Oleo" and the sonics are great and Grant sounds terrific to me. It is a European remaster. |
Wow! Thanks...
another good one...I must look also for him and listen...
Ok please no new guitarist for 2 days here...
It takes times to look for them and listen... Wait for 2 days...
Great guitar selections by all.
Don't forget Wes
Wes Montgomery Live In 65 - YouTube
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This is my main man Jamal on the Outlaws
Green Grass and High Tides Forever
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Some people are very critical. These are the ones that call themselves "Audiophiles" They will spend 2,500 - 5,000 on a pair of 8 foot speaker cables and another 2,500 - 5,000 on a power conditioner. These people that spend this money will swear up and down they can hear the difference in the quality of the sonics with these expensive accessories although I would like to do a blind test using the same equipment with or without and see if this is true. With all that said If I was a dot com millionaire of hedge fund owner I might be buying these gadgets as well and if you have money like that hey why not? I love watching this guy Kevin Deal. He has got to be a heavy marijuana user believe me I know.
AudioQuest Niagara 3000 Low-Z Power/Noise Dissipation System – Upscale Audio
Audio Quest "Mythical Creature Firebird" speaker cable.
One 3 foot long cable - 7,000 or "just" 389.00 per month!
AudioQuest Mythical Creature Series FireBird ZERO Full-Range / Treble – Upscale Audio
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Well after reading frogman and Inna posts I’m inclined to believe that the speaker wires can make a difference. And the power conditioner as well.
I don’t know if they will make a difference with my JBL Studio L890 front speakers. What do you guys think? I was thinking of upgrading my front towers.
BTW frogman I posted that Roy Haynes video about 2 weeks ago. Kenny Garrett plays a really long improvised solo on the alto and Roy's solo kicks a*s |
frogman I use all solid state gear. Yamaha high end AVR, Emotiva XPA 2 amp for the front R and L. and JBL Studio series speakers front, center surrounds and dual JBL Studio L 8400P subwoofers. at minus 20 db the walls shake. Regular 14 gauge speaker wire from Monoprice :(( My power strip is from Monster Cable. The subs have a dedicated wall outlet as does the amplifier. When your amp cost 1,000 its hard to swallow buying cables for the same price. XPA-2 Gen3 2 Channel Audiophile Power Amplifier – Emotiva Audio Corporation I use an Oppo UDP 203 universal disc player. |
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Lyle Mays passed away 13 months ago on February 10, 2020. As I went back to that month some of the members including me were also involved in a discussion about audio gear including cables. I found a post from rok here The Ten Biggest Lies in Audio - ecoustics.comAnyway getting back to Lyle Mays jafant first posted RIP which was followed by a couple Lyle Mays videos by acman and nothing more. I had posted material from the Lyle Mays 2 disc set the Ludwigsburg Concert many months prior to that and nobody responded but even I did not respond to his death. Maybe subconsciously I was thinking nobody likes him anyway who knows/cares? Getting to the point I wish Lyle Mays had taken more time away from his collaborations with Pat Metheny and did more acoustic music in a trio setting without the electric keyboards and synths. Besides the Ludwigsburg concert I have Mays’ fictionary which is a trio with Jack DeJohnette and Marc Johnson. These 2 albums with Mays on acoustic piano are probably the only ones that show how gifted he truly was. Mays, IMHO, is one of the greatest jazz pianist and composers to ever play the ivory. A true virtuoso. I guess he enjoyed composing and "noodling around" with Metheny on all those technically crazy albums with 23/9 times..... Fictionary - YouTube Lyle Mays - Lincoln Reviews His Notes - YouTube |
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Hey frog you wrote your reply as I was writing the above post. Perhaps when you have time you might listen to the videos above. Have a great day!
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Marija FWIW I do believe that cables can make a difference and that it also depends on what other gear they are connected to. I also believe that a lot of people have been duped out of money in their quest for higher fidelity. BTW Marija what do you think of the late pianist Lyle Mays? Do you like his large catalog of composing and recording collaborations with guitarist Pat Metheny or the more straight ahead jazz music that, IMHO, he did not make enough of the latter sessions? Lyle Mays composed and recorded 14 albums with Pat Metheny and I would say they were co - leaders on these sessions. Lyle composed the bulk of the scores on them. Its challenging music but I do listen to the handful of discs I have when I’m in the mood - and you could call it mood music. Two with Pat Metheny: The Way Up - Pat Metheny Group - (Full Album) - YouTube As Falls Wichita, So Falls Wichita Falls - YouTube A beautiful song Lyle wrote for most likely his main influence when it came to jazz as opposed to classical on the album Fictionary: Lyle Mays - Bill Evans - YouTube Another great one from the album Fictionary and also the title track for the album: Lyle Mays - Fictionary - YouTubeAnd two more from the Ludwigsburg concert. Au Lait - YouTube August - YouTube A lot of classical can be heard in Lyle’s playing. |
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I know I am getting redundant with the Lyle Mays posts but as I have researched it is really not a coincidence that many of the biggest names in jazz hold Lyle in such high regard. Lyle’s first touring gig was with the Woody Herman Big Band. Yes THAT Woody Herman. Lyle won total 11 Grammy awards and was nominated 23 times. In the following video, bass player extraordinaire Mark Egan talks about how Lyle could emulate and play anything some of the great jazz pianists played and sound just like them. Lyle would say "This is how Bud Powell would play it" and "Here’s Bill Evan’s take on it" Egan calls Lyle a "genius" and then states he uses that term very rarely. Mark Egan tribute to Lyle Mays - YouTube Lyle playing keyboards in the Woody Herman Big Band live in Warsaw 1991:
McArthur Park - YouTube
And Lyle on the keyboards/synth with Bobby McFerrin 1990:
Common Threads - YouTube
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Ryan Slatko, the author and poster of the 3 Lyle Mays videos I posted above is a gifted pianist himself. His debut album was released 3 years ago and, after I listened to a few of his original compositions on YouTube I ordered the album. It is most definitely straight ahead "old school" jazz played by a group of young jazz musicians from today and the band is tight.
Green Ceiling - YouTube
Waltz for Monk - YouTube
In the following video Ryan explains what inspired him to compose the song titled "Green Ceiling"
Green Ceiling: Behind First Impressions - YouTube
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Huh?! The denial that these sonic nuances in the sounds of gear do exist becomes dogma and they are often not even willing to try or experiment to see (hear) for themselves. The danger in generalizations.
Frogman I agree with you on all you have stated and I have learned the hard way to always keep an open mind, or, as my father would say, don't ever succumb to "tunnel vision" and be able to "think outside the box" However keeping an open mind with expensive audio gear also means keeping an "OPEN WALLET!!" |
Pjw, ONE AT A TIME! Gets very confusing otherwise and is the only way to get a handle on what’s doing what.
Believe me I'm taking my time and watching my bottom line! |
pjw, thanks for calling my attention to Lyle Mays' work outside of the PMG. I always appreciated his playing with Pat. His solo on "San Lorenzo"
Keegiam I have that album in my collection. And I do like that and the other handful of PMG sessions that I own. I have to be in the right mood to listen to them. Very challenging music (for me anyway). I am more of a "John Scofield Man" having 16 Scofield albums and many more with him as a sideman with groups like Medeski Martin and Wood and Government Mule. I also have albums that feature Metheny and Scofield together and Frisell and Scofield together.
Pat Metheny & John Scofield - I Can See Your House from Here - YouTube
Bass Desires (Johnson, Erskine, Scofield, Frisell) - Resolution Part 1 - YouTube
Kind of Bird (feat. John Scofield) - YouTube
I must admit I am partial to the last link being a big fan of GOV'T MULE. The Mule was founded by former Allman Brothers Band guitarist Warren Haynes and a lot of their recording sessions, both studio and live, feature extended instrumental songs that give ample soloing time to all. I find myself listening to GOV'T MULE more then any other rock band past or present. |
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Corea plays with his usual brilliance and its remarkable how he cops Monk’s style throughout. However, it’s Wynton that caught my ear. On the first tune he plays an amazing solo. Much has been written about Monk’s quirky and angular rhythmic feel and recently we commented on how Charlie Rouse was a great compliment to Monk. Hearing Wynton play on Monk’s tunes it was a “THAT’S IT!” moment. Wynton’s feel was made for Monk. It fit like a glove.
Frogman that clip was awesome. Its great to live on Long Island close to NYC and when this pandemic ends I plan on haunting the Jazz venues again including JALC. Wynton and Corea sound great as does the entire JALC Big Band. |
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Wow, check out that Buenos Aries first piece "Sienna." All one has to do to appreciate Lyle Mays’ jazz ability is listen to his solo at 3:00 to about 5:30. keegiam you can check out more Lyle Mays "bootlegs" here on his website: Bootlegs — Lyle Mays “My friends send me clips from time to time. I don’t surf the net, but I enjoy the obscure crap since I usually don’t cringe. In fact, I am usually surprised at how my performances were much better than my self image at the time.” - Lyle Mays |
And, where do all those great young players learn all those styles required for application? Good morning frogman Believe me there are thousands of young jazz musicians and I know you know that. I am always buying CD’s from the new and relatively new (1990 and up) jazz artists as well as debut albums from artists just starting out. My latest purchase from pianist Ryan Slatko is arriving Saturday. Ryan Slatko - First Impressions - Amazon.com Music When the pandemic ends I will also be supporting these artists by paying to see them live. Right now I am subscribed to the "Smalls Jazz Club" face book page and they play live concerts daily which you can stream and listen to live as its happening. (13) Smalls Jazz Club | Facebook And the website Smalls Jazz Club - SmallsLIVE I have attended many live concerts from my house since the pandemic started. |
Lovely, mysterious, beautiful, haunting & sometimes cookin' - even at 50 years old.
I agree! First time I ever heard this and I just ordered a copy from Discogs. That album is a trip just as the "Bolero" track is Again thanks for posting. |
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@ghosthouse I see on the last page you and keegiam were discussing guitar players specifically Al De Meola and Allan Holdsworth. I agree both are extremely talented virtuoso’s on the guitar but they often do get bogged down creating and improvising. With Allan Holdsworth it was the "gimicky" stuff he tinkered with that annoyed me. Especially that Synthaxe instrument. Allan is one of those players who made some really good albums and some really crappy albums. Al De Meola, to me, is a little more consistent and not nearly as experimental as Allan was. I like most of his albums but there are a few duds. Soloing There are 4 guitar payers right off the top of my head that can play extended improvised solo’s (7 minutes or more) that never "get stuck in neutral" during the solo. Jimi Hendrix Jeff Beck Terry Kath Duane Allman All 4 of the above I can listen to their songs and the solo's within them and never get "fatigued" Jimi was simply the best at this. That he release only 3 "official" studio albums and his estate still reals in millions of dollars in revenue every year is a testament to this. I have the 6 CD set "WINTER LAND LIVE" Jimi played 2 sets per night for 3 nights using the same song list and not one version sounds the same. I have over 50 Hendrix discs in my collection which shows just how much material this genius had written before his untimely death and was on tour playing 300 nights per year for close to 4 years creating all the live albums which were recorded (thankfully) and released over the last 50 years since his death. He also recorded Too many songs in studio to list that were later released. Jimi's 3 studio albums have not one bad track on any of them. In fact all the songs I would rate 8 - 10 stars out of 10. Listen to the simple solo bridge in "The Wind Cries Mary" and you can hear his excellence in incorporating the same rythm chords into the lead.
(5) Jimi Hendrix - The Wind Cries Mary - YouTubeJimi jams with HOF Jazz organist Larry Young:
(5) Young/Hendrix Jam - YouTube
I will speak about Beck, Kath and Allman later when I have time. |
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@keegiam
pjw, I rate Di Meola way above Holdsworth
I don't agree with that but then we all have out own way of listening to music and "hearing and feeling" it. To me not one is better then the other but I do agree a lot of their output does not "move me" the way Hendrix, Beck, Kath, Allman and yes, Eric Clapton as well moves me. |
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@ghosthouse
Thanks for the Hendrix link. I like Eric Clapton as well. His ending solo on Layla is a work of art.
You have to be an avid fan of the band Chicago to really appreciate what Terry Kath was doing. His solo on 25 Or 624 is also a work of art. Jimi once told another member of Chicago that he thought Kath was better then him.
Kath was not a showman like Hendrix and shared the spotlight with Chicago’s brass section. This was how the band and Terry wanted it.
Kath was also a wonderful baritone vocalist, composer and lyricist.
I have the album Heavy Machinery with Holdsworth. My others are
All Night Wrong
Blues For Tony 2 (2 disc set)
The Sixteen Men Of Tain
Warsaw Summer Jazz Days 98 (CD and DVD)
IOU Live in Japan
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@acman3
Coltrane of guitarist That is some serious guitar playing by Holdsworth. The late Eddie Van Halen was quoted that Allan Holldsworth the best guitarist he ever heard and he was highly influenced by Holdsworth..
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@skyscraper
Thanks for sharing that. I love anything from Billie.
I am reading the book "Dexter Gordon Sophisticated Giant" and there is a a few bits about Miss Billie.
Don't want to spoil the book by saying whats in it but it is an awesome book thus far. |
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@inna
Joe Pass is alright, though he can't really play, technically speaking.
Could you please elaborate on this? I think Joe Pass is a terrific guitarist. |
