I ain't stuck in no 50's & 60's. The OP's favorite also!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwkvC2FT7Xs
cheers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwkvC2FT7Xs
cheers
Jazz for aficionados
Jazz for aficionados
I'm going to review records in my collection, and you'll be able to decide if they're worthy of your collection. These records are what I consider "must haves" for any jazz aficionado, and would be found in their collections. I wont review any record that's not on CD, nor will I review any record if the CD is markedly inferior. Fortunately, I only found 1 case where the CD was markedly inferior to the record.
Our first album is "Moanin" by Art Blakey and The Jazz Messengers. We have Lee Morgan , trumpet; Benney Golson, tenor sax; Bobby Timmons, piano; Jymie merrit, bass; Art Blakey, drums.
The title tune "Moanin" is by Bobby Timmons, it conveys the emotion of the title like no other tune I've ever heard, even better than any words could ever convey. This music pictures a person whose down to his last nickel, and all he can do is "moan".
"Along Came Betty" is a tune by Benny Golson, it reminds me of a Betty I once knew. She was gorgeous with a jazzy personality, and she moved smooth and easy, just like this tune. Somebody find me a time machine! Maybe you knew a Betty.
While the rest of the music is just fine, those are my favorite tunes. Why don't you share your, "must have" jazz albums with us.
Enjoy the music.
I'm going to review records in my collection, and you'll be able to decide if they're worthy of your collection. These records are what I consider "must haves" for any jazz aficionado, and would be found in their collections. I wont review any record that's not on CD, nor will I review any record if the CD is markedly inferior. Fortunately, I only found 1 case where the CD was markedly inferior to the record.
Our first album is "Moanin" by Art Blakey and The Jazz Messengers. We have Lee Morgan , trumpet; Benney Golson, tenor sax; Bobby Timmons, piano; Jymie merrit, bass; Art Blakey, drums.
The title tune "Moanin" is by Bobby Timmons, it conveys the emotion of the title like no other tune I've ever heard, even better than any words could ever convey. This music pictures a person whose down to his last nickel, and all he can do is "moan".
"Along Came Betty" is a tune by Benny Golson, it reminds me of a Betty I once knew. She was gorgeous with a jazzy personality, and she moved smooth and easy, just like this tune. Somebody find me a time machine! Maybe you knew a Betty.
While the rest of the music is just fine, those are my favorite tunes. Why don't you share your, "must have" jazz albums with us.
Enjoy the music.
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None of this past tense stuff. He lives on. They all do. They always will. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cY4YB_6P4qk He knew the roots of the music. Cheers |
On the Christmas at Carnegie Hall concert DVD, I asked about the guy sitting the orchestra with headphones and no instrument. No one seemed to know his function. There is a guy just like that in the Proms piece. He also has a small camera. That's where we get the head on shots of the conductor. So now we all know. Cheers |
*****Moreover, anyone who thinks that to achieve the level of proficiency required to be an artist in ALL genres including jazz, doesn't require a tremendous amount of practice and study (formal or otherwise) is mistaken.******* This is a pet peeve of The Frogman, but, no one thinks this is the case. No one has ever said it was the case. Strawman?? Cheers |
Interesting piece tonight on the BBC World News "witness" segment. They interviewed Jimmy Cobb, the drummer on KOB. He said that the KOB session was just about done in one take. The tape was only stopped once, on 'freddie Freeloader'. He said they did not anticipate the reception from the public, that KOB received. Cobb is in his 80's but looked as if he could be in his 50's or 60's. Nice to see a Jazz guy have a long and apparently healthy life. He is still playing. They also interviewed the guy that created the phone service centers in India, to which all calls for assistance from the U.S., are now routed. I would have thought this guy would be in Jail, for crimes against humanity, or at least on the run from Interpol!! Cheers |
Today's Listen: Benny Goodman -- LIVE AT CARNEGIE HALL Historic. Goodman's attempt to bring the great unwashed into the Jazz fold. Problem is, I think he succeeded!! Numbers do count. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xq6mwozI-Ms Now you know why it's called Swing. Cause it do!! Why do I have two of these. Different album covers and order of tunes, but the same concert. Have I been snookered? Cheers |
"He brings an accomplished jazz musicinan's sensibility to the r&b table which" Excellent point. Sort of like the session musicians that backed a lot of the MOTOWN groups. No garage bands there. I have many of his records on LP including 'Sounds'. I remember where I bought "The Dude". At a Record store in Nuremberg, Germany. There are quite a few CDs / LPs that I remember that way. Don't know why. "I referred to Q Jones in the past tense a couple of times" I refer to them all in the present tense. To me, they are still with us, and will always be with us. Thanks for the clip and the breakdown on his music. Cheers |
Mapman: My Father would have been about the same age. He was more into the Delta Blues and R&B. But my Mother and Aunts were crazy about all the big Bands. Goodman, Ellington, Basie, Miller and the Dorsey Boys. And of course, Harry James was the 'bees knees'! I remember reading the labels on all the 78's. Goodman is a seminal figure in Jazz for many different reasons. One of the good guys!! Cheers |
CHRISTIAN MCBRIDE: He makes good points, some of which I made 2000 posts ago. Remember I talked about the 'danger', he said the same thing, when he spoke of the 'critics' misleading the public. Just used different words. Does all / most of FREE, and AVANT-GARDE Jazz, fall under the category of BULLSHIT? Are there Bullshitters among Classical music Composers? Cheers |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4s9wVRIXeU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ok__l1Acuwg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WF0AjMwymPo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELno08Zg42g https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4qDv030g8Y https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q62HW-MJ3fA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vl9SuZAKcVY |
The clip of David Murray: He did seem to be stuck. The tune did nothing for me. Good to know I can recognize BS when I hear it, even if I cannot explain it. I wonder if he is the reason I never warmed to the WSQ as I thought I would. I will have to revisit them. I only have one CD by Murray(saxmen). Played it when I bought it a few decades ago, and have not played it since. His association with Shepp and Pullen did not mean anything to me then. But, as you pointed out, he does have a large following. Thanks for the analysis of the McLean tune. For some reason he seems to fly under the radar. Great player. Question to The Frogman: Are there any BS Composers in Classical Music / Opera?? Names please. We must have names! If any, I would assume they would be 20th Century guys. Cheers |
O-10: I can find no evidence that your posts have been ignored. This thread has regular contributors, and we know who they are. There are also people that just 'make the rounds' commenting on every thread on Audiogon. I don't think they are 'into' talking about Jazz. But since it's an open forum, there is nothing that can, or should be, done about it. However, sometimes the crap they say is so breathtakingly stupid, something has to be said in rebuttal. Hence the tangents away from Jazz. Now, on the other hand, MY posts are routinely ignored!! Even ridiculed!! I know it's hard to believe, but it's true. Perhaps you, as the OP, can say a few words to correct this outrage. :) Cheers |
Today's Listen: Modern Jazz Quartet -- ARTISTRY OF THE MJQ Early MJQ. Sonny Rollins appears on 4 of the 15 tracks. Since MJQ has never made a bad record, you know it's gotta be great. No Bullshit! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOYYaBBJr_E Cheers |
I wonder why no one ever mentions the music channels on cable TV (Time warner) , as a source of new music, or as a source to get introduced to old music. Not only do they play all genres, all day, but you get some excellent factoids on the music / composer. Heard some great CPE Bach today, then realized I have nothing by him on CD. Hamburg symphonies I think it was. Gotta start my search. Cheers |
McBride: Lord, Lord. I know he must have a grand plan. This is what McBride said: "But what I find some times in jazz is that you’ll find somebody can get up there and frankly, because I know my training as a musician, I know they’re completely bullshitting. And there’s always some critic who says, “Oh, he’s not bullshitting. He’s just expressing himself in a different kind of way.” And I’ll go, “That’s bullshit!” and now they’re creating a space for this person to garner an audience of confused people who don’t really know the difference: “Some critic said this guy can play. I don’t think he sounds as good as Sonny Rollins but someone said he’s a genius so I better pay attention to him.” Meanwhile, guys who are obviously greater at what they do--it’s almost as if people think anyone can do that. Now this sort of abstract, strange playing that no one can understand, some people now think that’s what they need to get with. Ahh, man". THIS IS THE ESSENCE OF THE ENTIRE ARTICLE: " And there’s always some critic who says, “Oh, he’s not bullshitting. He’s just expressing himself in a different kind of way.” And I’ll go, “That’s bullshit!” and now they’re creating a space for this person to garner an audience of confused people who don’t really know the difference: “Some critic said this guy can play. I don’t think he sounds as good as Sonny Rollins but someone said he’s a genius so I better pay attention to him.” Check out the phrase 'creating space' for the noise makers to the detriment of Jazz and real players. Perfectly expressed!!!. Cheers |
O-10: I did notice your post. I just post that stuff from time to time, to have it handy when I am browsing the net. It is not Jazz, and I always indicate that it is not an official post. The Winans and Marvis made this the definitive version of "I'll Take you There". Takes a lot, to out do Pops and the girls. Bought that one at the PX at Fort Rucker, Alabama. Don't know why it sticks in my mind. "Disco Lady" takes me back to "The World Cup Club" in Uijeongbu, Korea. I can still see Miss Kim, Miss Park, and Miss Lee, et al, doing it on the dance floor. Those where the days.(1976) This is the city where the MASH unit of Movie and TV fame was located. The compound my unit was located on, served as the Morgue during the war. Rod Stewart is one of the few Rockers I can tolerate. Always liked his voice. You hvae to hear him thru JBL's at volume! I just like to watch the antics of En Vouge. Those babes act/sing, as if they are ready to throw down! Glad you enjoyed them. Cheers |
*****This young kid can swing his ass off like there's no tomorrow; great player!****** The problem is, as I have said 3,025 times, Right next to 'Paterson' on the CD rack, is Peterson, Powell, Previn and even Don Pullen :) etc......... Why buy Paterson? To compete against that group, You gotta be exceptional, and be exceptional more than just once. This is something ALL artist face in this age of recorded music. Esp Jazz and Classical composers. The Masters never go away. Never die. They are as near as your computer / Amazon. Cheers |
After listening to this again, the entire thing seems out of tune. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNqJ8mED1VE&list=RD664QhBOhBgc Cheers |
***** what is the point of buying Salvant or Marsalis? ***** Salvant came into my universe out of nowhere. Unbelievable hype. A Jazz lover would buy her to check her out. See if the talent matched the hype. I did. She has talent. Her first CD was very good. Now we wait and see what follows. It takes more than talent to be a success in music. If she falls in with the right people, good song selection, gets the right advice, and follows it, and with a little luck, she may be good for a long time. We will see. She has the voice. Why would anyone buy Wynton? I won't dignify that with a reply. Cheers |
*****Rok, that article was silly. For a closing argument you will have to do better.****** I beg to disagree. ****Just let your music make your case. A little Sonny, A little Hawk,.. More will agree with you that way, and we can enjoy being told were wrong.;)****** A little Sonny never hurt anyone. Totally agree. Cheers |
Acman3: You are right, it's gone. I may have posted it by mistake on another thread, realized the mistake, and then deleted it. Failed to repost here. It was during the great Bullshit debate. I remember saying "Great CD, No Bullshit". This is it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOYYaBBJr_E I have all three of the 'Road Shows' in my 'cart' on amazon. Something else all ways comes up to push them back on the 'save for later' list. Cheers |
My new closing statement: http://www.seattleweekly.com/2011-09-14/music/branford-marsalis-the-problem-with-jazz/ Since this Marsalis, is the Darling of this thread, I am sure we will have complete agreement! Cheers |
Today's Listen: Oscar Peterson & Jon Faddis One of a series of recordings of Peterson with Trumpet players. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhLXJWgB5CI Love the playing. Not sure I love Faddis' tone. It's said he plays like Dizzy. I think that's Dizzy's tone also. Cheers |
I have 'ROUND MIDNIGHT by The 12 Cellists of The Berlin Philharmoniker. I'll give it a listen later. When I purchased it, I thought it would be Jazz. Has some Ellington, Monk, Gershwin and Corea. But for some reason I filed it in the Classical section. hmmmmmmm. I am digging Kenny Barron and Dave Holland now, and cannot break away!! Frogman, I do hope you know that the obvious time, and effort, that you put into your posts, and answers to questions, is greatly appreciated. Cheers |
O-10: A lot of things in the Music / entertainment world aren't what they used to be. But, lack of venue is tied to changes in the society at large. You can't find any Juke Joints in the Delta anymore. The last refuge seems to be New Orleans, and it's fading. I think the best analogy for the state of Jazz, is the state of Music in general. Simply, all the great creators / innovators are gone. The current music pales in comparison to the original. I cannot think of any genre that is better, save Classical. They have the advantage of playing the same repertoire. Hold on to your Blue Notes! Cheers |
*****I said all of this to say that as fans we don't seem to realize how special a good jazz musician is; they're born, not made. No amount of study or practice will enable a person to improvise at the level of a good jazz musician, and no matter how financially successful some other musicians are, a jazz musician knows within himself that he can do something very few people can do, and no way can they learn how to do it. Financial success does not equate to being a good jazz musician and being able to rapidly improvise good sounding music; "either you got it or you don't".***** It cannot be stated better than this. Case closed!! As usual, the OP has restored order. I was reading the Downbeat Issue listing all the Jazz studies programs across the country. I was amazed at the number! I always thought Jazz studies sort of started and ended with Indiana and North texas. Silly me. I wonder what happens to all those students. They sure aren't playing Jazz for a living. Cheers |