Jazz for aficionados


Jazz for aficionados

I'm going to review records in my collection, and you'll be able to decide if they're worthy of your collection. These records are what I consider "must haves" for any jazz aficionado, and would be found in their collections. I wont review any record that's not on CD, nor will I review any record if the CD is markedly inferior. Fortunately, I only found 1 case where the CD was markedly inferior to the record.

Our first album is "Moanin" by Art Blakey and The Jazz Messengers. We have Lee Morgan , trumpet; Benney Golson, tenor sax; Bobby Timmons, piano; Jymie merrit, bass; Art Blakey, drums.

The title tune "Moanin" is by Bobby Timmons, it conveys the emotion of the title like no other tune I've ever heard, even better than any words could ever convey. This music pictures a person whose down to his last nickel, and all he can do is "moan".

"Along Came Betty" is a tune by Benny Golson, it reminds me of a Betty I once knew. She was gorgeous with a jazzy personality, and she moved smooth and easy, just like this tune. Somebody find me a time machine! Maybe you knew a Betty.

While the rest of the music is just fine, those are my favorite tunes. Why don't you share your, "must have" jazz albums with us.

Enjoy the music.
orpheus10

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In general I did not care for his arrogance .

The clip I chose was when his voice was going and when the foot steps of the grim reaper had driven him, in humility , back to the Church .
Hear that clip again , what was left was an artist who knew , above all , why music is !My use of selling was too flippant ,but better things don’t come easy anymore .


I visited my niece several times at the Jacobs school , World Class in every way ! !For whatever reason it draws a lot of Swiss students . She married one and with her 3 kids lives near Zurich . Still a mid-west girl but a very elegant one .

The Selmer V1 I bought seemed to be the only new one in US (1991).It is a beautiful golden French assembled . X thousand more .Nothing too good for her .
The joy of Rubalcaba  is you know everything is going to be JUST right, Tener Razon, when you put the disc on ! Viva Pedro Martinez , his congonista .
Now class , this is how you get rich by stealing from those who did have
talent !
https://youtu.be/3wy-Q1gEgBE?t=2
There are several thousand more .
P.S. The lady at #3 singing the Della Reese example can REALLY sing !
rok, , that Brize Norton went so fast that when the guys jumped I involuntary went forward as if to "stand up" .Love to see the greatest military thing ever , the AC-130 . Must be, a "Puff" saved me and my 229th Pathfinder Det.
The 229th AHB , "Winged Assault", was the most decorated unit in the Vietnam War .
Thanks for the Chestnut rok, I had forgotten him . I do that a lot these days .
Another guy I like who is off the beaten path .https://youtu.be/y7YVW7e5FHs?t=2



https://youtu.be/MPZyoGrTzBE?t=2


I bought a great Croft pre-amp with dials for both left and right sound
because in a 850 sq ft Condo my placement choice is VERY limited .
To a large extent solved the problem , Left speaker is a meter from wall ,Right is 6 meters . As frog said , every recording is different , 2 dials can do a lot better than just one balance .


If I was young, just starting, and knew what I know now , I would go head phone . Every one says do the room , true enough. but in many situations
for many people , just not possible .

P.S . Bad solder is OFTEN the problem . One reason I went for the not cheep Croft was because all the hand made hard wiring done by Mr Croft himself in England is a work of art . And the phono on the Micro 25 is sweet
as well .. IMO being an audiophile or not is irrelevant . What matters is listening to serious LIVE music as much as you can and as often as you can .


Which however may be almost impossible in future .



rok  , I have always been  doubtful about what the guys got upon return.
I came back twice , once to Fort Lewis and once to San Francisco .Went back to Syracuse on commercial  Airlines , once  from SF  and once from SETAC  With change both times at JFK .Walked though streets and airports for many hours in my uniform with the
13 medals and 3 unit  honors I rated .NOBODY gave me  even a glance , much less any insult .
I got indifference, which was OK by me . In war there are no good guys .
Yes , O-10 , but I wouldn’t call them pansies . Most who know what time it is
are aware that it is hopeless . I knew it then .I went back voluntary because I was a highly skilled Platoon Sgt. ,which the Army had few of,and knew I could save lives , both American and Vietnamese .

nsp, just Google D Scarlatti . He was/is one of the3-4 greatest key board composers who ever lived for starters .



pyrso, Vietnam was a totally unnecessary war where 50,000+ Americans and several million innocent Asians died for no reason other than the one
President Eisenhower warned us about , the greed of the military-industrial complex .

Hardly a surprise that those in Universities caught on to this . Patriots see what is wrong and try to fix it , Militarists go the "my country right or wrong "
route which is the path to hell .

As soon as I left the Army in "68 I talked and ACT- ed my way into the
University of Minnesota though I had never gone to high-school and had
been in the Army since age 16.

First day of class I stood on the bridge over the Mississippi that joins the east and west of the campus and watched several thousands of students have
one hell of a uproar against the war . That was not my way , but I thought"good on you kids " .








rok , I liked the Baltic /Terrasson version of "Caravan "
That standard by Juan Tizol can take a lot of bending on that Latin foundation !
Here a bunch of Dutchman beat it in an elegant way , a jewel I love ..
https://youtu.be/5MFc1E7_hWA?t=5
You got it frog . Croft is 3 things , musical. musical and musical ! I am close to dropping down 1500 $ for his 40 watt amp that goes with
my pre .My large Quad S5 speakers 3 way with 4 drivers in front and 3 ABR in back are not easy to drive nor all that hard either . My current Belles 150A reference MK II does well .

My brain says no , but my heart says 40 Croft SS watts are in there with a Pass or Cory Tube 40 .
Boy , how I remember that EMI Bach , lost in move .Those who referred to Marriner as a " Kapellmeister", and there were many, were full of s..t .
The draft was ended because draftees ignored the "water walkers " and they could not, would not ,disciple them because of GOD efficiency report.Several then 0-1 and 2 are only walking around today because of me and they don’t even know it .
I’ve seen a lot of stuff from A’gan etc and discipline still leaves a lot to be desired . And I know what I am looking at ! SOS .

The drummer is 75 years old and still pounding away .I got a good chuckle .
Sax line is close to my favorite noise , Ron Carter and Gonzalo Rubalcaba with HIS .44 mag !
Cheers


Pops got that right rok . Never heard him before .Will in future !

You won’t have to put up with me for few weeks . Delta finally got rid of their ancient 777-200’s on their non-stop from MSP to Seoul in favor of brand new Airbus 350-900 . I was one of the few who did a decade and a half
and never went to the ROK .I was on a draft once , but it was changed to 8th ID when they remembered the 8th ID over in Baumholder needed a few Pathfinders .. The 100 $ payment of a debt I forgot to a clerk friend up at Div. had nothing to do with it .

Bucket list .

















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In the opinion of believing Christians life is not over when your body dies.
Death is the start , not the end .Though we all fear it , as a baby coming into the world does , crying .

We also believe that God is Love itself and the Joy of life ,as he expounded on " The Sermon upon the Mount " is in primarily helping others .



Anyone with an lQ over 50 , like myself ,can understand the depth of Jazz songs , our entire nation did for decades

.The depth is that of a mountain spring we live by in our time here , not knowing our spring is flowing into the Mighty St. Lawrence which drains all the Great Lakes into the oceans themselves .

rok, we know that God is everywhere , at all times and places, but I often
think he perhaps spends a bit more energy on Sunday ’morn at the A.M.E churches of the south, like this one in MS. that worship him so wonderfully .
https://youtu.be/y03GJ9Nkjr8?t=4

Those 3 you posted were outstanding rok,  esp, that old school Baptist with Loretta Oliver !
I choose a poor church that had little money but much  love showing in
an original way .
Amen



0-10 I imagine I have known more classical musicians than you have Jazz musicians , most world class .

None of them were what frogman is, a walking encyclopedia of both genres and no doubt others as well . You can not become that as an act of ego.Love and extreme work at what you do and are is the only route .

He knows that because music is an instinct it would be foolish to tell anyone how they should react as I do with rock @ roll .


He is the surgeon and the rest of us are either listeners , LPN’s or like me, patients .A surgeon seldom tells the patient a story about where he lives or more than an outline about the operation .
In the 5 years or so I have been on here I an as amazed that a musician of his caliber bothers with us as I was the first time he replied to me !


We are very fortunate and blessed by his presence . Period .


Frogman , St Augustine of Hippo , the foremost theologian of Christianity , settled it . " Humility is an accurate assessment of yourself ".

I know I am no musician and also know , with a nod towards Bach , that I have better taste than many of them .

All I know is the Great American Standards , and great they are, would not
be what they are without lyrics . My favorite, " Autumn Leaves" is largely what it is because it was written by a Frenchman .
Spanish is a great and beautiful language, a strong second to that almost universally considered the most beautiful, French. A bias would be if you did not feel your native tongue the most lovely .
German is, objectively , considered a harsh and guttural language and so it is .To me, because of the Schubert lieder and my love for the country in general, it sounds’ more better" than English . That’s a bias .but not too much as they were the same language once and English is harsh as well.

To my hears the French is more beautiful than the Spanish and I know little of either .
My bias is to sing to "Concierto en Aranjiuez " is little short of criminal .
I think it is a true and wonderful Masterpiece for the guitar . I must of heard it a thousand times and every time is like the first . Amazing .
A lovely little rendition of "Autumn Leaves " with a fine Korean Bass , an Italian Violinist and an African guitar player .All doing what music should do , making life a bit better to those who pass bye .
https://youtu.be/7t3xBqAWLaU?t=2
I hear that 0-10 .
frogman , as you know , Seoul is a human bee-hive !Going from zero to 150 into an industrial economy is a mini-miracle , but it comes at a price .
 
In Korea more than half those over 60 , those who built the economy, live
in severe poverty . Government gives less than $200 to elderly and that to only 1/3 rd of them .My Australian ex-pat buddy took me around to the large park where elderly women were "sex workers " for 2 bucks . Horrible .
If you are young and needed Seoul is a great place . If you can get by with 5 hours of sleep .Reminds me of Chicago , which would be the best city in US if you only went to north side .

It sure reminds one how bad our infrastructure really is.in any event .
I was more than once about to say Jo Stafford in a few discussions on here but did not as I thought nobody had ever heard of her.Her she is with Ella for creds .Her beautiful younger voice on " Moonlight in Vermont " sold millions in a country with
a third the population of today. It is a masterclass in breath control and hit every note dead center.Right there on You Tube . She wasn’t Ella but who was..With her perfect pitch she wasn’t embarrassed.


https://youtu.be/ctyT-9o4Vl0?t=3
frogman , if you can find time I would appreciate it if you could take a hear to the Alison Balsom post I just put on Classical Aficonados .What Pinnock can do with musicians is off the chart . Near perfect musicianship and Balsom is the most beautiful musician I have ever seen .


O-10 a dead man could hear the misery if he knew the lyrics .You can't do an experiment on your self before and after the lyrics,  I honestly don't know if I could know myself .
That Hank is a play 5  times in a row for me . You guys who know jazz will get me in the poor-house yet looking for that vinyl !
Hey guys , in any field of life sooner or later you hit the wall .A car can only go so fast , you can only run so fast and eat so much .
Nobody writes new music better than Bach because in this day and age it is impossible , ditto with the great American Song book . The greatest musician in the world composes and plays in a time and place that no amount of genius can ignore .

Even a fool like me can hear musicians in all genres are trained better today than back in whatever day .IMO that often makes thing worse with the player being more important than the music .
I would like an analogy in Jazz but that is beyond me . I (think) I can make make one in classical .
There are a plethora of truly great violinists today ,within two bars you know that is is Bell , that is Perlman , that is Mutter ad infinitum .
Of say the top twenty there is one player , the German Julia Fisher , that all you can say is , that is Bach , that is Mozart , that is Brahms etc.


Fisher trained in a  way not universal but possible in German Schools of Music , 3 years as a chamber musician , primarily string quartets , where you learn to make the music first .To be fair there is one American player that comes close, Hillary Hahn .
Yup , with frogman on the job you get a year worth of music education
without any tuition !
rok, a lot of jazz guitarists play it or parts of it .

Go to my last clip on Classical Aficionados and you will see a
female trumpet artist who is the fox of all fox’s in the musician file .
Ah , make that second to last , yesterday anyway .
The vibe in England goes back a thousand years and educated English folk
have it their DNA (really) .
The greatest of the English composers from Tallis. Purcell , Byrd , down
the centuries to Vaughn Williams , Parry and Elgar, no matter what they wrote always looked over their back toward God .When you go to the source of love you encounter truth which is always simple.
Hear Vaughan Williams ",The Lark Ascending", a simple piece that is as beautiful as anything ever written . And he was an agnostic .

Since Handel was German I put" Messiah" only half in English court .But the Concerti Grossi are English . All his Chamber Music truly will clear your head . Hundreds of masterpieces seldom listened too . Disgrace ( to include me) .
That's the most raggedy and F....d   up rendition of that I ever heard and I've heard a few .
Well I saw him admit he was a pimp as he answered a female interviewer with a flippant "what’s wrong with that " . Thought he was evil the first time I saw him which has nothing , I guess, with him being a great musician .

Just one I dislike .

Frogman , the one I saw was with a white woman , he said the same thing  but much harsher to her .  In yours the drugs were doing the talking .
This is for rok only on a subject I know is important to him by the greatest
soldier of our time .https://youtu.be/PBgF-2HK8H0?t=4
Ok, I will frogman . I deleted it because he grew to be perhaps the greatest
general intellect ever born in the USA which gave him many enemies .
If you said it on a reservation it might not go over well but no one on here
knows you to be nothing but a gentleman in general . Keep in mind this is before the Cambridge neural network explosions . He has some after that that cover the world .

https://youtu.be/hdUbIlwHRkY
I once stopped a class of about 30 where I was arguing that your language has a lot to do with your music and everyone else disagreed with one sentence . " Will every one here who is a fan of Chinese Opera please raise your hand’ . (I was a student )
pjw, I thought it showed you think about the most important things and I was impressed.
They were scientists in uniform . Like all Imperial countries the USA had their eyes on them for a long time and we planned to bring them to USA
ASAP after the war . Imperial country is not an insult per se , it means a nation
that controls important decisions of other nations .Brits being #1 at that .USA had considerable experience at that as well , after the Spanish American war we controlled the Philippines , Puerto Rico and Cuba .As well as Hawaii and Guam.There ourselves not with puppets , our usual MO .

As well, in various ways, every country in South and Central America save Brazil .All the Imperial Countries have Staff Plans for at least 50 years out as to how who should control others . They worked in the White House and Pentagon, just on that,
all during WW II . USA and UK never saw Germany as the main enemy ,
our ally Russia was that .

Again this is not unique to USA nor is it something new . Columbus sailed
because of one .

Japanese think in "group" not "me" in almost everything they do .
Like a good Japanese audience, in the intro they clapped a bit more for the
’little guys" ’than the world known icons . And exploded for the group which is always the most important thing, to include the music itself .


For the money you can make in Japan who wouldn’t want to please the audience ?And Sony no baloney .



rok, Its about like saying a great car mechanic has a different tool box for every brand of car .


You don't have to go to Russia to find examples .
Some of the greatest vinyl ever laid down was made  by the autocrat Fritz Reiner   when he conducted the Chicago Symphony .
First thing he did was fire the best musician in the band because every one
else looked up to him .
And if the Union had not took him to court he would have stayed fired .

If Frogman lived there during those times his intellect would have been more than enough to adapt to the conditions of that time and place .

In our time and place our the credit bureau knows more about us than the Gestapo and KGB ever knew about any German or Russian .



I was at an all-night vodka fest once back in the 70’s with 6 Russian Profs who had fled the USSR .One , a Harvard Russian Lit prof said to me "We were in danger in Russia because intellectuals are respected
in Russia , we are safe here because they are not ."

P.S . I don’t drink .P.P.S   Nothing stays the same but God .



nah, rok is OK , he wouldn’t shoot both of us .

That Kenny Wheeler stuff is my is my idea of jazz at its best, thanks !


rok , Stalin was not a Russian and did not like Russian culture . He targeted Russian intellectuals because then and now the Russian people respect them perhaps more than any other culture .
Ever been on Moscow metro ?

Cheers

MacArthur was a great General, made 3 good moves to 1 flop which is high for a General. But the famous photo of him not even bothering to salute the President ,  then wanting an Atomic War with mindless raving , refusing to obey order after order,
showed  an old man  who had lost it and lost it bad , but believed he was better than ever .

Truman should have fired him right on the tarmack.
81563.  Well I do consider myself   fairly sharp on classical and not so in jazz .But , I grew up till about 16  listening for hours every day  to swing and other forms of jazz, as did most Americans .  In my heart I'm  almost as close to Sonny Stitt as I am to Bach .