*****Brazil is really a very fascinating country in regard to African rhythms. I try to get to the source of these rhythms in Africa, but they no longer exist on the continent*****8
They don't exist there now, because odds are,they never did. Music in the West created and played by people of African decent, does not mean the orgin is African. Just like in the U.S. People are forever trying to connect the Blues, Jazz and Gospel with Africa. There is no connection. It's all indigenous to the US.
Interesting clip. O-10, you really have eclectic taste in music!!
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I think Olatunji started all this back is the hippy 60's.
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BTW, On Cuba, Africa, Slavery and Indians in the Movies, I have declared victory. So we can all move on.
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In the so-called African dispora, the relationship with African culture and the connection to Africa varies by country. Much more Afro-centric in Brazil. Less so in the caribbean. Most of that, is 'contrived'.
In the US, the African connection does not exist. Some contrived attempts were made during the 60's to 'create' a connection, mainly as a reaction to racism in the US. Also as a show of solidarity during the civil rights movement.
Growing your hair long and wearing a dashiki does not an African make.
I could write a thousand pages, but you guys are smart, you do the math as pertains to the music part. If you have any knowledge of the slave trade in the Americas, you can figure this out.
I stand by all my comments.
The 'Indian' recording? I assume that was a joke. Sounded just a wee bit too polished. Besides you only saw / heard that sort of thing within the village. I was speaking of certain portions of the soundtrack. No chanting, just a full-fledged Western orch playing.
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*****In regard to Cuba, I was sitting on my duffel bag awaiting orders to deploy to Florida during the Cuban missile crisis,****
I was learning how 'protect' myself from a nuclear bomb by hiding under my desk at school.:) if I had known you were on duty, I would have felt much better!:)
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Your 'rant' on Cuba. Remember the line from the Dylan song: "You don't have to be a weather man to know which way the wind is blowing". I think Raul understands this. I just hope some smart people in Cuba are preparing for the coming change.
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Two excellent clips. Awesome sax solo. What is the correct custom for applause at a Jazz performance? Do players expect applause after their solos?
I have Abdullah Ibrahim's latest CD, 'Mukashi' on my to buy list. I have always liked him. From back in his 'Dollar Brand' days.
Can anyone speak about Sonny Rollin's 'artistic impasse' of 1959-62? It is mentioned is a review of his 'The Contemporary Leader' CD in the lastest BBC Music magazine. Any details?
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****This goes back to an early discussion on this thread during which the mistaken idea was posed that jazz musicians don't practice and don't study the N&B's*****
Not by this person.
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O-10: This may be representive of the Jazz scene within Cuba. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTnoDOSv7_oThe music being played inside Cuba should be the most authentic Cuban Jazz being played today. Since The Frogman says the regime frowns on Jazz, there might not be that much NEW, to discover. Except the expatriates. Cheers |
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The Big Phat band, despite the name, was pretty good. In the video clip, they didn't appear to have the proper level of seriousness for a Jazz group.
I also thought that having the Sax section out front would have been a lot more interesting.
Four guys playing trumpet, dressed in all black, out front, should have done more with that opportunity.
They were well dressed for the occasion.
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This seems like an appropriate posting. http://www.jazz24.org/2014/04/song-day-john-coltrane-my-favorite-things/It was clear Trane was searching for something, although audiences sometimes couldn’t figure out what. He was known to play 20- to 30-minute solos, which often left people scratching their heads, at best, and running for the doors at worst. I read a story about Coltrane saying to Miles, “I don’t know how to end my solos,” and Miles responding, “Take the horn out your mouth.” This text was taken from the article in the clip. Don't you just love Miles' quip! Cheers |
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O-10 'Gris Gris' has been in my Amazon cart forever. I will order it now. It's supposed to be one of his best. This guy never makes a clunker. Marie Laveau is my favorite. I have it on this CD. Along with several other gems, such as the Monkey! Truth spoken here!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWUb5AR7W8MCheers |
Today's Surprise!! World Saxophone Quartet -- DANCES AND BALLARDS Amazing!! I could not believe how much I enjoyed this. Every track a winner. This is supposed to be Avant-Garde / Free Jazz. This is the best example of that genre I have ever heard. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQ60abjwCPQWSQ, another group I have 'Grown into'. Purchased several albums / CDs by WSQ based on positive reviews in "Stereo Review". They, SR, never steered me wrong. Sooner or Later, they were always proved right!! Cheers |
Kleiber was voted Best Conductor ever, by one classical magazine. I don't remember if the vote was by the Editorial staff or the readers. I guess you could say he had a 'flowing' style. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfbLpijCN3MCheers |
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O-10:
Great clip of Valaida singing and playing with the dancers. Those guys had some great moves. Does wearing baggy pants help with the overall effect?
Reminds of me those Latin guys dancing in baggy suits. Gotta love it.
The Mills brothers are played every week down here on the local PBS station. Great singers. They were just cutting the fool on this clip. Did you notice the shoes the 'country gals' were wearing?
I had always assumed Pops was joking, with his comments on sister Vallaida. After hearing her sing and play, maybe not. Could Pops have been worried?.... Naw! What am I thinking. :)
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O-10:
I can't think of any other Jazz guy that went totally Classical.
The Frogman? Well, as Wynton might put it, "he left Jazz and went into Classical". He pulled a Miles on us.
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Today's Listen: Chick Corea -- SOLO PIANO STANDARDS Highly recommended. Could not find a youtube of the CD. I did find a youtube of my favorite selection from the Corea CD, which is also the theme from my favorite movie. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HtHEgINHO0Cheers |
Gershwin: Wonderful piece. I have a couple CDs of Previn and the LSO, playing the same pieces.
'Rhapsody in Blue', just screams "Broadway"! It is what we think of when we think of NYC.
Sadly, we can't buy CDs by orchestras the likes of Chicago, Philadelphia and New York. 99% of all my classical is by European Orchestra. :(
Another TEST, is for flute players, playing 'William Tell'.
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I see all of you just totally ignored my clip of 'BRAZIL'. And yet, you have the nerve to call yourselves "Aficionados"!
Lawd, Lawd.
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******Maybe you will feel more at home with the song "Jazz Police"!*******
hahahahah very good. My fellow "aficionados" can be thankful that my jurisdiction does not extend beyond Central Texas. Otherwise, arrest warrants, for bad taste in Jazz, would have been executed in NY and MO. :)
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Donegan:Dorothy is not an innovator. She does not attempt to push the envelope. She is what you said, an entertainer. Which is not a bad thing. You go to hear her and party at the same time. With someone like Silver, you would have to give him your undivided attention. Another recommendation from Stereo Review.
Brazil: The reason THIS Brazil is special, is because it is the theme from a very unique movie. I can't tell you exactly what happened in the movie, because, I am not sure I know. I have only seen it three times.
I do know it seems to be a futuristic, comical, horror story. This is not your run of the mill Brazil. That's why I love it. Because of the movie. Besides, there is a lot going on in this version.
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The Frogman:
Pops was just messin' with Snow, when he called her the second best. Her being somewhat of a novelty, i.e. Female Jazz Trumpet Player. Pops never said who the best was. He didn't have to.
Brazil: yes, this Brazil fits the movie. I read what wiki had to say about the movie. I will have to watch it again. I am not exactly sure when he started undergoing torture.
I guess his mind retreated into fantasy and this music. The movie is not about Brazil, the country nor the music. Does not take place in Brazil. Guess that says a lot about the power of the song. An antidote to horror.
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O-10:
I will have to read, and re-read your tome. For now, I have scott with her husband, Stanley Turrentine. I remember her from back in the day. I was not aware of many women, save singers, in Jazz at that time.
Nice informative post.
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BTW, do 'blue notes' appear in Classical and other genres?
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Today's Listen: Very eclectic album. From a player/composer of extraordinary intellect. If you like Jazz you will find something here to like. Every track a winner. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZq70OblqXkMy favorite 'interval' of all time!! I tired to listen to "Bill Evans At The Village Vanguard" after this, but I couldn't. Just tooooo much contrast. Will save Bill for later. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYgow060zOgCheers |
*****For example; Velaida Snow has been mentioned several times, and compared with "Pops"******
Just to set the record straight, no one compared Valaida, bless her heart, to Pops.
It was all said in jest. Even Pops was being facetious when he called the the second best Trumpet player. A way of messin' with her, and reminding everyone, as if they needed reminding, that he was, is, and always will be, The best.
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It could be that musical genres follow something like the Bell Curve. Start off at zero, the few creators, grows to a maximun output, with maximun participation, creativity and popularity, then fades back to zero, the talent, popularity and creativity declining over time.
The main problem with geting involved with the 30s and 40s, is recording quality. Also, speaking for myself, as great as the music was, I don't own a lot of stuff recorded during that era. I think of my box sets of Bessie Smith and Robert Johnson. Great music with a great amount of noise. You LP guys probably have a higher tolerance for noise.:)
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*****To evade oppression in the United States, Scott moved to Paris in the late 1950s. ******
You read this alot in Jazz history. It's odd / strange, that black people, would 'flee', seeking racial justice, to a continent where Tens of Millions of people were murdered, based on race, a decade earlier.
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*****What makes an artist an important artist?*****
Well?
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Direction of this Thread:
I will follow you guys. You are the true Aficionados. I think of myself as representing the unwashed masses. IOW, The Dreaded 'Public'.
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*****The "soundtrack" is as shallow as a sidewalk puddle compared to "Brazil" on the LP, and that's what I meant.****
I get what you mean, but you are out of context. You cannot seperate the soundtrack from the movie. Jobim's version would have been a total flop as the soundtrack. You have to see the movie. As one reviewer said, the movie is like '1984' minus Big Brother. Instead we have a regime of deadly buffoons.
This soundtrack is in the same class as the soundtrack of 'The Third Man'.
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Liked Sanchez. But as a French speaker, I didn't understand a word she said. :) This is sometimes more important than at other times. Not important at all in Opera. The awesome music overcomes language. Not so with Sanchez. Turrentine: Always glad to see Jazz guys pay their respects to the good Lord. This is him with his wife, Shirley Scott, on organ. I have this CD. He seems to be more 'Jazzy' than 'Jazz'. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AM1h4_gPkBE&list=RDAM1h4_gPkBE#t=27Cheers |
Important vs Great:
The answer to this lies with the unwashed masses. So, as you stated it, a player can be great and not important, and important, but not great. And of course, both and neither.
How could that be? Easy, the art community does not seperate the wheat, the public does. THINK about it.
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New Cuban Music:
Does New Cuban music have to originate in Cuba? Should the music played and composed by a player of Cuban ethnicity, living in another country, be considered 'Cuban' music?
We need to answer these questions before we can begin the search for NEW Cuban music. If there is any New Cuban Jazz.
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Today's Listen:
Herbie Hancock -- GERSHWIN'S WORLD
Let's see; we have hancock, shorter, jodi mitchell, stevie wonder, kathleen battle, chick corea, the orpheus chamber orch and a few more. Your musical curiosity demands that you listen to this CD. I loved it. I was surprised at Jodi. I am not that familiar with her.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRUFC4NN6js
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Under the heading of WTF!!!
"I wish I could play the piano the way I want to."
The first 'wish', from Oscar Peterson, in Nica's book.
I have an LP by Cannonball titled, "The Black Messiah". During one of his usual mini-monologues before playing a tune by Herbie Hancock, he sort of dismissed and ridiculed Herbie, because he received, and accepted, an honorary degree from Grinell College. It's in Iowa, I think.
I was shocked to hear his tone. Was there bad blood between Adderley and Hancock? Anyone know?
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*****Cuba is probably the only country whose people, history and music are inextricably interwoven.*****
In Cuba, like almost all other countries and cultures, history and music are inextricably interwoven.
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Some interesting clips of young Cubans playing new music. I notice they don't throw their elders under the bus. You don't have to destory the past to play the new. The interviews I don't understand, so I just skipped to the Music parts. This seems to be present day Cuban musical scene. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2g09nfWcM0Cheers |
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