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Orpheus I knew you had to have Blakey's album "Art Blakey and the Afro-drum ensemble" which I also have.
I posted the Poncho Sanchez new album and music because I thought you just might be interested.
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Schubert,
The bass player Michael Pipoquinha, who is featured out front in your Latvian Radio Big Band clip is Brazilian.
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orpheus10
There is far to much humanity suffering going on in the whole world and as you said right here in "the land of opportunity"
I am just as aware of it as you are the only difference is you feel the need to talk about it an awful lot and I go there on rare occasions. Believe me it frustrates and angers me as much as you I just try not to think about it because I know it will never change.
One thing for certain about living here in the U.S.A.
You wont wake up to bombs being dropped around your house by an air raid or tanks rumbling down your street.
There is no real ethnic cleansing and mass crimes against humanity - the recent surge in "mass killings" by mentally unstable individuals is not the same as genocidal ideology and nowhere near the scale of what happened in Bosnia and Rwanda in the 90's nor what still happens nearly every day all over Africa and the Middle East.
Corporate America, Wall Street, and the Central Banking System control everything and use the middle class as pawns in their chess game.
There are hundreds of thousands of homeless people and many of them will not have a great Thanksgiving.
I could go on but it upsets me and that is the reason I rarely bring it up.
I'm going to keep on paying my part as a cog in the machine, enjoy my Thanksgiving, then spend thousands of dollars for Christmas which I really shouldn't but I have my credit cards to use and pay interest to the bankers just like I paid them an extra 200k for interest on my mortgage.
Life goes on...…
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All Music review on Archie Shepp's Four for Trane. Not to shabby!
From 1964, Archie Shepp's first date as a leader featured -- as one would expect from the title -- four tunes by John Coltrane, his mentor, his major influence, and his bandleader. The fact that this album holds up better than almost any of Shepp's records nearly 40 years after the fact has plenty to do with the band he chose for this session, and everything to do with the arranging skills of trombonist Roswell Rudd. The band here is Shepp on tenor, John Tchicai on alto, Rudd on trombone, Trane's bassist Reggie Workman, and Ornette Coleman's drummer Charles Moffett. Even in 1964, this was a powerhouse, beginning with a bluesed-out wailing version of "Syeeda's Song Flute." This version is ingenious, with Shepp allowing Rudd to arrange for solos for himself and Tchicai up front and Rudd punching in the blues and gospel in the middle, before giving way to double time by Workman and Moffett. The rawness of the whole thing is so down-home you're ready to tell someone to pass the butter beans when listening. Rudd's arrangement of "Naima" is also stunningly beautiful: He reharmonizes the piece for the mid-register tone of Shepp, who does his best Ben Webster and adds a microtonal tag onto the front and back, dislocating the tune before it begins and after it ends, while keeping it just out of the range of the consonant throughout. Wonderful! The only Shepp original here is "Rufus (Swung, His Face at Last to the Wind, Then His Neck Snapped)." It's not a terribly sophisticated tune, but it works in the context of this band largely because of the soloing prowess of all the members -- particularly Tchicai -- here. There is barely any melody, the key changes are commensurate with tempo shifts, and the harmonics are of the sliding scale variety. Still, there are the blues; no one can dig into them and honk them better than Shepp. When it came to sheer exuberance and expression, he was a force to be reckoned with in his youth, and it shows in each of the tunes recorded here. Four for Trane is a truly fine, original, and lasting album from an under-celebrated musician.
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Schubert, I am pretty well versed in the Haitian Revolution and the leader Toussaint L’ Ouverture. They were the only slaves in world history to over throw their oppressors in this case the French, and win their independence. However in the long run I think it was not so good. If France was still running Haiti it would not be the poorest nation in the Western Hemisphere. Over 50% of the population have no access to clean drinking water. Carlos Santana wrote an instrumental piece titled "Toussaint L’ Overture" in which the percussion is rooted in African rythm. I am a big fan of Mr. Santana especially his 70’s output. He wrote some really great songs. Carlos is a big fan of jazz and there are many interviews with him discussing Coltrane, Miles Davis and others. Toussaint L’ Overture live from the "Lotus" 4 disc set which gets a lot of play over here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkVKEXvvbn8 |
frogman,
The various bands that "made the rounds" on the beach for donations all played some beautiful rhythmic African sounding music that was easy to dance too (which we did). I also heard many songs that sounded similar to the song in your original post.
I like adventure and had a great time although Fabiola's younger male cousins and nephews were always getting sick but kept drinking the beer I was buying for the simple reason they could not afford beer so were "drinking it up" since Fabiola and I paid for everything including food, tipping the bands and bottled water as well as the beer.
Many of the ensembles featured a "puppet master" who had a carved wooden puppet that they made dance to the music they played. I purchased 2 large (about 20 inches tall) hand carved wooden statues for 5 dollars each which I still have.
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orpheus10,
Archie Bunker - rok has spoken.
No sense at all in reading any books they are all written by idiotic university graduate historians of which rok knows better. Just like his recent take on General MacArthur the only General since weapons of mass destruction were invented to advocate the use of them and escalate a war with North Korea into a war with China and the Soviets as well. He deserved to be fired but in roks own words
"He was the greatest General this country has produced"
Edith get me a beer!
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frogman, Thanks for the crash course on The seven notes in the most common scale in music, the Major scale. I enjoyed the "African Blues" band you shared. It reminded me of a trip to Haiti I made in October of 2009, 3 months before the earthquake. I was 45 at the time and dating a beautiful 26 year old caramel skinned Haitian girl with a body to die for (I got horny just holding her hand as we walked). Anyway she asked me if I wanted to visit some of her family that was still in Haiti. Since I was never there and like to travel I agreed. We flew into Port-au-Prince and her cousin picked us up in a Land Rover which Fabiola (my girl) had sent over there for when she visited. She had become a registered nurse and was doing well financially and would help her poverty stricken kinfolk in Haiti as much as possible. Port-au-Prince was a pig sty and smelled like a landfill. The poverty was evident everywhere. We stopped at a few places there and then her cousin drove us over the mountain pass and into the town of Jacmel which was paradise compared to Port-au-Prince. I stayed at a luxury hotel there for 4 days and every day was a party on the beach and there were many bands with similar instruments in the video you shared playing similar music. Every day we started drinking around noon and were feeling very nice by dusk which had beautiful sunsets. One day they slaughtered a goat and we ate it barbeque style. I was happy I made the trip. Fabiola lost her older brother to the earthquake 3 months later. Fabiola spoke English perfect as well as French and Creole. That video you posted brought back those memories for me. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacmel |
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orpheus10, With all due respect you cannot compare the homelessness situation here in America which is horrific but compared to Haiti, which I have been to and saw with my own eyes, its not even in the same ballpark. I suggest you read your previous link which states the following: "Between 1911 and 1915, Haiti was politically unstable: a series of political assassinations and forced exiles resulted in six presidents holding office during this period. Various revolutionary armies carried out the coups. Each was formed by cacos, or peasant militia from the mountains of the north, or who invaded along the porous Dominican border. They were enlisted by rival political factions under the promises of money, which would be paid after a successful revolution, and the opportunity to plunder." Haiti has been a corrupt, unstable, oppressive country for centuries and it sure was not the fault of the American occupation. Remember Papa Doc....err…...François Duvalier? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/François_DuvalierBTW, Wiki is a quick way to explore and share a subject matter but the best sources are always scholarly books written by respected and proven historians using the best source material available. Again - Haiti is the poorest nation in the Western Hemisphere. Its not the same as "living below the poverty level" in our nation America. I have to agree with rok on this one. The opportunities are there you just have to go get them. |
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mary_jo thanks for all the music. You must have finally gotten a break from work!
I liked the Sade live video. I had never seen that before. Sade has a huge "cult following" here in America. since 2000 she has released just 2 studio albums yet she will sell out stadium and large venues here.
I started listening to Sade in the 80;s when the songs "Smooth Operator" and "Sweetest Taboo" were getting lots of radio play and I have everything she has ever recorded including live DVD's and Blurays.
She has one of the most unique voices in any genre of music. And she is very classy when performing on stage.
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mary_jo those 2 James Carter songs you posted are excellent selections. He can play with as much soul and feeling with any other saxman past or present and those 2 songs are just more proof. He is a technical virtuoso and, IMHO, the best sax player alive today. Here is one of my favorite JC blowing hard fast and funky songs: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pe97sBPSev8And JC’s awesome album "Jurassic Classics"(complete) with his take on some of the classic standards. The 3rd song, Thelonious Monk ’s Epistrophy, is my favorite from the album. He recorded this album at 30 years of age. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91RZC6pGIoI |
orpheus10, with all due respect this statement is wrong: "A person can not get a car, an apartment, or a house without a job; what Mow-ron would not want a job?" In the state of NY we have the Department of Social Services (welfare) and other housing programs. The best of these is called "section 8" An example: A young woman gets pregnant at 18 and has a baby. At 22 she has another and at 24 another all with different fathers. She first applied for welfare at 18 after baby #1. After baby "2 she applies for section 8. By the time baby #3 is born she is granted section 8. Section 8 gives you a 3 bedroom house rent free. The owner of the house gets a check for the rent every month directly from section 8. Usually one of the fathers moves into the house and either works but has no bills to pay, or deals drugs with no bills to pay. I can drive through many of the poor "welfare neighborhoods" and see brand new BMW's in the driveway of the house paid for by the state. (Joe taxpayer). An appropriate song? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSabADNvxjk |
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rok,
I see I was mistaken there but my figures are correct and your 10,000 is an underestimate. The Poles fought hard but were overwhelmed.
In my original post I stick to the facts that Germany had the best general staff of officers, NCO's, and enlisted men at the tip of the spear they were unequaled. It is not the foot soldiers fault when the politicians in charge of strategy and achievable goals are at fault.
From the book "Victories Are Not Enough"
Despite the passage of some 60 years, German doctrinal concepts such as Auftragstaktik and examples of battles and campaigns are still studied at military educational institutions, and some are included in U.S. Army doctrinal and instructional materials. The title of Colonel T. N. Dupuy’s Book, A Genius For War ..., seems to best sum up the rationale for many military writers’ fascination with German military practices.
The fascination with German military prowess is not just a “military thing,” a fascination by soldiers about other soldiers. Indeed, serious historians, pseudo historians, and military buffs have added, seemingly weekly, to the bulk of studies on the Army fielded by the Third Reich, causing the shelves of respectable military libraries to creak from the sheer weight of these publications. The intrigue with the successes, leadership, and tactics of the German Army also has been shared by the military establishments of other nations, providing a student of German military history
The importance of national political and military leaders responsible for higher levels of strategy, developing logical and sequential plans and strategies. The first 80 years of Germany’s existence indicate that, no matter how proficient a nation’s forces are on the battlefield, if senior political and military leaders have not done solid strategic planning and have not developed achievable goals, the efforts of its military forces will likely fail to produce the desired results.
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roc was that a shot in the dark ?
100,000 German soldier casualties in the war with Poland
Try reading a book about it or spend 5 minutes online
German casualties were 20,000 KIA and missing
30,000 wounded
The rest of your post is even worse
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Fact: Germany defeated the Polish armed forces in 4 weeks in 1939
Fact: Germany defeated the low countries of Netherlands, Holland, Belgium, and France in 6 weeks in 1940
Fact: The German armed forces in the Second World War were second to none in combined arms warfare and war of rapid maneuver which historians call blitzkrieg.
Fact: At this point it was just the Brits and Churchill alone against Germany and they were never going to defeat Germany alone regardless of winning an air war over the UK - The Battle Of Britain.
Fact: Germany lost the war in 1941 when Hitler decided to invade the Soviet Union. By December 30 Operation Barbarossa had failed 60 kilometers from Moscow and the Soviet counteroffensive drove the Germans back 150 kilometers, the United States had entered the war and it took 3 world powers with a ratio of manpower and resources of 10:1 over Germany to beat them.
Fact: Germany, because of its central location in Europe and limited natural resources could never win a long war of attrition. They needed to win quick victories to take resources from their occupied territories. When the war in the east with communist Russia, denying the Germans the recourses they required, specifically the oil fields of the Caucuses (Baku) stalled into one of positional warfare instead of maneuver their fate was sealed.
Fact: The Germans were the best at the tactical and operational level but strategically they were inept. They won many battles by wide margins but could never win the war because of their short sightedness.
You are entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.
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BoB was NOT the turning point and the UK could never have defeated Germany alone. The Brits were in no way capable, in the fall of 1940, to invade northwest Europe so they panned and carried out bombing rins over Germany which was a dismal failure.
In the 10 raids bomber command launched against Berlin between June and November 1941, 133 Germans were killed compared with casualties in the RAF of 3 times that much. At the same time British aircraft losses in 1941, mostly bombers, were more then double those in 1940 - (1,034 vs 492)
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geoffkait,
They did not lose half their planes in the BoB.
Attacking Russia, as I stated in my original post, was their biggest mistake. For all intents and purposes Germany lost the war on 22 June 1941 although it took 4 more years.
The original post was about the fighting ability of soldiers. To make it simple I will try another approach.
The Russians lost approximately 4.5 million men from 22 June through December 31 1941. The Germans, in the same period, lost approximately 1 million. Those figures are for KIA, MIA, POW, and wounded. This is a ratio of 4.5:1 in Germany’s favor. Adolf Hitler had predicted that Russia would fold and Germany would win by the end of September. Adolf Hitler was wrong. He and his intelligence staff underestimated the Soviet Unions strength in man power and industrial capacity.
The Soviet Union continued to "grow" army’s and stack them in front of the Germans. They also moved their armament factories beyond the Volga River near the Urals and out of reach of German bombers. In short the Russians ability to replace lost men and equipment far exceeded what the Germans were capable of.
The Germans also had to replace their losses on 2 fronts against the 3 of the largest world powers starting in July 1943 when the Anglo Americans landed in Italy (the Italians surrendered which did not help) and a year later when they landed in France. They simply could not do this.
Soldier for soldier the Germans tactical and operational prowess was unmatched by the Russians, Brits, and the Americans but their endless supplies of manpower and resources was, in the long run, far to much for the Germans to succeed. In short the Germans were overwhelmed by the brute force of these 3 world super powers and their resources of men and material.
We all are in debt to the Soviet Union which bore the brunt of the full might of the German Army and bled them white before we landed on Normandy on 6 June 1944 to open the second front.
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frogman In this case the one who wrote it definitely plays the best version. Here is James Carter's rendition: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h57GgU94dsE
Carter puts a little more of a Maceo Parker type feel into it but I still like the original by Harris the best. |
rok I am no fan of the Nazi's and their ideology. I am just as happy they were beaten as any other sane person would be. As far as comparing fighting abilities of the belligerent nations in that god aweful war I read many books, which you have already stated are factless and lies on jazz, blues, as well as the military I would say that you and I should just agree to disagree. I will not be answering anymore on the subject on WWII. Keeping it jazzy. Here is what I'm listening to right now: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYZcjrydVt0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUyfcnOCIOk&list=PLB59DDD288D18D934 |
alex I read your post upthread and agree. Sometimes I take things a little to far. Will stick with jazz now. This ones for you although I think frogman will like it as well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNCAJ0bEv74 |
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alex I am not surprised that you have that Previn Album.
It is a classic.
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orpheus10 yea those 2 albums are classics. Let me know what you think of them. |
orpheus10 which of my posts are you referring to as complex jazz that requires serious listening? |
Why mary_jo AJ won but he can never beat Deontay Wilder and you are a boxing fan. A lady I would love to meet.... |
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frogman,
I remember back in the 70's when Carly Simon and the Carpenters got a lot of radio play. I would hear them on my parents AM radio station in their car. Fond memories.
Its a shame what happened with Karen Carpenter.
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mary_jo, I understand where you are coming from. Boxing is a dangerous sport. There are very fast stoppages now compared to the "golden era" of boxing and less boxers are being killed from head blows. However there are still deaths in the ring occurring and I believe this to be when a boxer does not see the punch coming, and the punch lands in just the right place on the head usually the temple. Many great boxers have killed an opponent in the ring. Sugar Ray Robinson, Ezzard Charles, and Emile Griffith to name a few. All 3 boxers I mentioned above did this because the referees back in that era would not stop the fight when it was obvious that the opponent was no longer protecting himself, was halfway to la la land and taking repeated blows. The Emile Griffith incident has a great movie called "Ring Of Fire" in which Emile, many years after killing Benny Paret in the ring, meets Paret’s son who was a baby when his father died and is now a grown man. The meeting of the two will make you cry. Emile spent his years in retirement here on Long Island. Of note is that Emile was a gay man back when you had to hide that stuff. I have seen many of his fights on You Tube and he was one of the greatest welter weights of all time. Hard to believe a gay man would enter such a violent sport and be so successful at it. Here is the movie and it is a great documentary all the way through: https://www.amazon.com/Ring-Fire-Emile-Griffith-Story/dp/B0009UC7NE/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_1?keywords=emily+...Emile’s biographies: https://www.amazon.com/Nine-Ten-Worlds-Emile-Griffith/dp/0979994713/ref=tmm_hrd_swatch_0?_encoding=U...= https://www.amazon.com/Mans-World-Donald-McRae/dp/147113234X/ref=pd_sbs_74_1/145-8546346-6339225?_en...I have read the first one "Nine Ten and Out" and highly recommend. Never read the other one "Mans World" Here is the video of Emile Griffith killing Benny Paret (It is a scary look into the final minute of Benny Paret’s life) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7e8jRdW73Sg |
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alex,
I have Shelly Manne's "Complete At The Manhole" both LP's were recorded on 1 disc.
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orpheus10, Just buy the 4 disc box set "Shelly Manne & His Men" Live at the Blackhawk. It is a great representation of West Coast Jazz and one of my favorite albums in my collection Here is a song from it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCaN2irGItAThe complete 4 disc box set was just reissued last year. I would jump on it now for the 20 bucks before its OOP. I have the original 4 disc set released many years back and then it was selling for astronomical prices a couple years later when it was OOP. I am sure this latest reissue used the same masters that my set has and the sonics are great. This box set is a "must have" for any jazz aficionado. Here is the link to buy it don’t miss out!! https://www.amazon.com/Complete-Live-At-Black-Hawk/dp/B07C27FXXH/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=shelly+manne+an... |
pryso,
I am a big movie collector myself and some of the greatest releases are black and white.
Two of my personal favorites are "The Hustler" (Paul Newman) and "On The Waterfront" (Marlon Brando).
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orpheus10,
Do you have something against Shelly Manne?
I just posted on top of this page some essential West Coast Jazz since you stated you wanted to get more of it.
BTW Shelly Manne worked regularly for Hollywood on movie and TV soundtracks.
Well I see we agree on Anita o' Day
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Schubert,
I must have overlooked your Anita o'Day posts. She had an incredible voice with impeccable timing and no "showing off" just class personified even while having on and off substance abuse problems
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orpheus10,
I stated in my post the sonics are very good on the Blackhawk box set. As a matter of fact buy the box set for 20 dollars and if you think its "compressed" (its not) then I will buy it from you at the original cost and I will pay shipping as well.
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alex,
On the Blackhawk box set it states it is the entire 5 volume set on 4 discs which could be easily done since LP's were usually 20 -25 minutes per side and each of the 4 discs can contain up to 80 minutes of recordings
I will look into it further but the 4 disc set for 20 bucks is a steal.
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