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***Unless you have traveled the south on two lane black top roads by "Trailways" bus, you ain't seen the south. ***
Ain't that the truth! My mode was Greyhound. I remember going from Ft Campbell, KY to Ft Bragg, NC in the wee hours of the morning. You are spot on about the cabins in the middle of nowhere. Trees forever. I thought, how could someone live this isolated. In truth, they were probably having a bluegrass jam session as I rode by. :)
I will have to get the Southern Comfort. Have you ever heard of the of the group, 'Carolina Chocolate Drops'?
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***** by very clearly suggesting that you "something was wrong" with Miles because he did attend Juilliard; and absurd comment; perhaps you were joking. Please clarify.****
It was obviously said in Jest. You and Learsfool need to lighten up. Chill. Put on a little MJQ!
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****No one is trying to "impress". I nor Learsfool (I am confident in stating) need this forum to "impress";*****
No one could get my comments on artist vs consumer wrong, unless one did it on purpose. Lets move on. I concede all points to you.
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I have this one and I think you might like it also.
Folkways: A vision shared. A Tribute to Woody Guthrie and Leadbelly.
Awesome performances by all. From Bruce Springsteen to Sweet Honey in the Rock.
One of my favorites: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZtIq8I6hlo
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The Nicholas Brothers, WOW. How do they do that?? Amazing! The best dancers EVER!!!
I fell in love with Miss Dandrige after seeing the movie CARMEN JONES. If my thought dreams could have been seen, my mom would have washed my mind out with lye soap. What a beauty she was. Went to sleep a many a night, with her on my mind.
Thanks for the clips.
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Interesting.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDO1SL-gj98
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Winona, Mississippi: I have been thru there a million times. Mostly on my way to Huntsville, Alabama, when I was in the Army. I think US 82 crosses I-55 there. I also have to go thru there to visit Kin folks in West Point and Tupelo.
The clip, 'Country Girl', I have on my CD of the Chocolate drops. I have their CD "Leaving Eden". It's pretty good. I leave it out on my desk so I can play it often.
Never had churned butter, but many biscuits. Have primed a few pumps and gathered firewood in my time. No greater place to be a child. What's better than running in the dirt barefooted?
Did you realize that there were no fat people then?
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Learsfool:
*****I grant you the use of your term as you want to use it - that's not the issue *****
Thank you. That's an important point.
**** I know of no musician who would say "playing music in accordance with some musical theory, and that alone, can make a player great." This is absurd on the face of it, no musician would ever say that.*****
Aboslutely true!! I agree with you. Well, one might. :)
***** What we do not understand is that you really do seem to think that many do?? ******
AHA!! now we get to the core of the problem. This is an example of The Frogman's Jedi Mind Tricks. He makes a statement, finds it cannot be defended, and now, all at once it's MY statement. I do not think this!! I use N&Bs to sum up what I feel THE FROGMAN thinks.
He said as much when we talked about the clip with some trumpet player and Phil Woods. I can't quote him, but I came away with the idea that he thought the trumpet solo to be the 'perfect' bebop solo. I thought it was noise.
This is the clip where I pointed out the obvious, that Woods is Fat.
So Learsfool, you are preaching to the Choir. You need to ask The Frogman to clarify / explain Nuts and Bolts. It's his term. Once he does that, we can start all over again. Perhaps, I will then have to rename "nuts and Bolts" Jazz.
In the mean time, lets remember Ellington's " It don't mean a thing, if it ain't got that certain something" :)
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Learsfool:
I surrender. I guess everyone understands it except me.
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*****Over the years, I have discovered there are great leaders, and great sidemen; when a great "sideman" makes a record makes a record without one of the great leaders he's recorded with over the years, it falls flat. *******
Truer words were never spoken!! It's amazing how often you mention stuff that I happened to be thinking of, along the same lines.
It's why some people that I declare noise makers, can be brilliant when playing as sideman to other artist. I can even think of quite a few Blue Note types. I won't call names.
As always, you have the insight of a true 'aficionado'.
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****I've done this a number of times, and added considerably to my collection by doing so. Occasionally, I've added brand new musicians, but primarily it was old musicians who I thought, I already had their greatest recordings.*****
My only problem with youtube clips is that, while I may love the clip, I have to think, can I listen to an entire CD of this music. A little, of some music, goes a long way.
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good for what ails ya
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wt4PyEFlf6Q
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Jazz on radio: Yesterday was 'Big Band Sunday' on the local pbs station. They play mostly music from in and around the war years.
Yesterday they featured Billy Eckstine. Eckstine also played trumpet, until Dizzy arrived on the scene. Then quietly changed to valve trombone. :) What a talent. His orchestra has to have had the most illustrious lineup ever. Dizzy said that even as a big band, they played Bop. Dizzy, Miles and Fats on trumpet!!!
Also on the program was 'Sidney Bechet and his New Orleans FeetWarmers'. How can you not wanna hear a group with a name like that!! :)
Found out that Pittsburgh has contributed a lot of great players.
Another player was Garnet Clark. Left the US for Paris. He never returned. Died in an asylum in France. 1938 I think.
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I don't get an all-Jazz station at my location, but, I can imagine what you are talking about with the word 'sameness'.
Another source for hearing music and getting a history lesson is cable TV. No one has mentioned it. On my TWC provider there are a lot of channels just devoted to music of all genres. Several of them Jazz. The channel name serves as a warning for the 'smooth' and 'contemporary'. I go for the 'Classic' i.e. real stuff.
The classical channels are a wealth of information about the music and composers. Same as the Jazz Channels.
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****That's the story of my life, "I was in the right place at the wrong time".*****
No guts no glory! You must seize the moment! Did you tell her you knew Miles? :)
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Silver: Great clip of 'Senor Blues'. On the same page I saw a clip for 'Filthy McNasty', one of the great song titles in Jazz. I had just received Silver's "doin' the thing - at the village gate". I think this is the album on which 'Filthy' was first released.
On this clip, Andy Bey, who seems to be everywhere these days, sings. I love it. Have not heard silver sung, since Dee Dee's tribute.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jnc-y2D5RBg
You are right about the time restraints. Esp when you consider this music was recorded for LP. On the positive side, it forced players to say what they had to say, quickly. Pertaining to lesser players, this was sometimes a blessing to the listener.
Thanks for the clip.
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*****and I'm allergic to what I call "High Class Culture".*****
Well, you may call it 'high Class', but there is nothing 'high class' about it. Just a different genre of music. Of course the snobs have tried to make it their own, and keep the masses out. They are begining to see the folly of that attitude.
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I think this is the first Jazz LP I ever purchased. Played it until it was unplayable. Cost $2.50. Quite a bit more now on amazon, from 'these sellers'. :(
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mfl5AVTrMfE
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*****Miles was just the opposite, but he sure could blow that trumpet. Just a little trivia that I've been exposed to over the years.*****
That little trivia is a major component of what makes Jazz so fascinating.
Today's Listen:
Lou Rawls -- AT LAST
His best ever? I think so. Includes duets with Dianne Reeves and Ray Charles. David "Fathead" Newman and Stanley Turrentine lend support. Great tune selection. Outstanding recording quality.
Oscar Peterson Trio + Milt Jackson -- VERY TALL
Sort of like MJQ with new personnel. Nice playing, but they lack that ethereal sound of MJQ that I love so much.
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****when I passed it after driving to "Chi Town" in my brand new "Duece".*****
Are you speaking of the iconic "Duece and a Quarter? :)
In the CDP today:
Ellington / Basie -- FIRST TIME! THE COUNT MEETS THE DUKE
The Orchestras of Duke Ellington and Count Basie playing together. That's all an aficionado needs to know.
Maynard Ferguson -- CONQUISTADOR
Everyone says it 'commerical'. I say, what does that mean, and, so what? Love it. Any would be trumpet player would. The only recording I have ever thought, from a distance, was a live band. And from Sony speakers sold in the PX.
THE GOSPEL AT COLONUS
Great Gospel singing. the Five Blind Boys are awesome.
Playing For Change
great songs and fascinating rhythms. A brilliant concept.
Fairfield Four -- STANDING IN THE SAFETY ZONE
The best recorded sound ever? Great Gospel singing.
Lari Siffre -- SO STRONG
Great songs with meaning. No weak tracks.
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*****which he stood between and pulled down the alley behind us, while crying "rags and old iron".******
"Pulled" the wagon??? You must have lived way out in the sticks. In my more upscale area, rags and old iron guys "pushed" the wagons!!
I think I am going to like China Moses. She also has a clip with Dee Dee. Nice voice and presence.
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*****this is the first time you missed hitting a home run in regard to your recommendations*****
This is an outrage!!! How about a bases loaded double? :)
I have to have faith that The Lord is testing me for a greater purpose.
You need to listen to the Bey sisters instead of listening to / for Jazz Classics. Listen to the voices and the phrasing. Many, many 'Jazz Classics' were previously 'pop' or 'broadway' or even 'gospel' classics. Everyone plays music not written by themselves. Where would any genre be without that.
'Since I fell for You', is a great tune. Thank you Buddy Johnson!! Not Morgan nor Welch. Although all were good.
And why is it that, Morgan playing Johnson's tune is ok, but it's not ok when the Bey sister do it. And they Nailed it. More appealing to me than Morgan's version. No instrument can compare to the human voice, when it comes to expressing emotion. Think Ella!
You said it yourself, you were listening for the so called classics, instead of listening to the sisters. I stand by my recommendation. Play it again!
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Even better, think Billie and Nina.
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I had never heard the original either. I agree with you about the piano playing.
Music history is full of instances where the 'covers' of certain tunes supplanted the original in the public's consciousness. The Diamonds vs The Gladiolas, being a prime example.
I will always like the Lenny Welch better, because of the time in my life when it was popular. The original was great, but hell, I'm old and cynical now.
Who 'owns' tunes? Interesting question. We all know that B.B. owns this tune. Don't we? Well, don't we?!?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNR0iLw92Gc
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I didn't realize that China Moses is Dee Dee's daughter. No wonder she is so good. Great clip.
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Watched Disc #1 of the Ken Burn's series "JAZZ" today. Good refresher. I have not seen it in a while. I am sure all Jazz fans have this set. It's good to watch it every now then. Watching it will, like the music itself, take you through an entire range of emotions, and remind you of what it's suppose to be.
Wynton gave brilliant commentary throughout.
Intersting fact:
Adam Clayton Powell Sr, railing against Jazz from the pulpit of Abyssinian Baptist Church in NYC. Can you imagine that?
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I am not sure if your post was meant to inform or admonish. If the former, I agree with virtually all of what you said. If the latter, no one has ever accused me of anything even remotely intellectual in nature! :)
I agree that music and muscians can say things beyond words. THEY, can speak to us in that way, but, I am not sure WE can communicate with each other via youtube clips.
Youtube is a great way to be exposed to new music, I just have this thing about submitting clips of Jazz music that I don't own. Just me.
Of course Jazz, and all music is a reflection of the times in which it was written, Jazz seemed to have started off happy, joyful, sensual, and then got angry / political / message laden, and finally cerebral.
'Store Bought' is the term I use for the cerebral stuff. It's not, happy, angry, political, and it has no message. I guess it's whatever the listner wants it to be.
****We hear things musicians say that can never be put into words, and others don't hear.****
True! That's why I seldom try. I just like it, or not. I remember reading articles about Classical music when I first got started. Writers saying what each movement of LvB's 6th sym meant. The 6th was my first favorite. What they wrote was interesting and to my puny brain quite profound.
Then I listened to thed 6th, and discovered that their attempts were pitifully inadequate. Verbal Description is Futile! As the borg might say.
Thanks for your post.
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****Maybe that's why Miles was so horrible with words, they failed to communicate anything he was trying to say. ****
This is spot on. Ever hear Dizzy talking about his music? The guy sounded as if he was from another place. Which he was!
****Being an "aficionado" is about listening to the music***
This may be true, but once you hear the magic you just have to tell somebody!!! You can't just keep it to yourself. Hence all the traffic on this thread.
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*****Rok, my post was meant to inform, and criticize Ken Burns in regard to us. While programs like Ken Burns are excellent for many others, I feel we are far too advanced for those types of programs******
I disagree. I liked it for it's historical value. Just like Nica's book. Burns is often criticized, mostly by folks that feel their favorite players / tunes were omitted, or given short riff. You can, could've / should've anything to death. It was a brilliant series. Also a gift from my son.
I have a few of the CDs. Guys like Sidney Bechet, I felt the sound quality would be the best avaliable for the old stuff.
I do realize that all the other folks on this thread are far more 'advanced' than I am, concerning Jazz. However, they are not so advanced, as to be able to dismiss one of the premier film makers of this era.
Burns did a great service to Jazz and Jazz fans. The Jazz scene is not exactly running over with supportive media the quality of Burns' documentary.
He best work is probably THE CIVIL WAR. I listen to that soundtrack on CD often.
He is a relative of the Poet, Robert Burns. I served with an Officer named Burns in Germany, who was also a decendant of Robert Burns. The similarity was stunning.
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*****Listening, hearing, and sharing what you heard with us, all go together; from now on, say it with a musical post, and then I'll know what you're talking about*******
Good point. I don't listen to just Jazz. This is my latest listen. Don't listen to this one late at night when all alone. Another of the Delta Greats. Lyon Mississippi.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdgrQoZHnNY
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***** Jazz from a historical point of view, is irrelevant to me at this stage. My primary objective is to increase my collection, and that's become rather difficult.*****
I am just the opposite. I cannot seperate the music from the history surrounding it. I always marveled at the British Bands trying to sing the Blues. They didn't have a clue. It wasn't their culture. I guess some music travels, and some does not.
I think part of the reason I don't care for the latest Jazz, is because I don't relate to the players. And that applies to all genres. I also have an age bias. Musicians younger than I am, I have a problem accepting them. Gladys and Aretha can school me, but Beyonce is just mouthing words. :) Classical is excepted, because the players aren't doing the talking, the composer is.
I aim to increase my collection also, but by finding gems I missed. When I think that so many of my adult years were spent outside of the country, I missed a lot. The Bey Sisters being a prime example. Too bad they only made two albums. I think I will have an easier time finding gems than you will finding good new stuff. :(
BTW, I took your use of the word 'advanced' to mean the degree to which folks on this thread appreciated and understood Jazz. In that sense, I defer to you all. I am still a rookie.
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As you might guess from these youtubes, I have been watching the "JAZZ" documentary again. :) I think we all need to be reminded, every so often, of what Jazz is supposed to be.
These guys were greater than I ever imagined. Should be a requirement for all Jazz fans.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzcpUdBw7gs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5Hbh_-IRs8
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***** I believe you've sold the Beys as well as they can sold in this room.*****
The Bey's music speaks for itself. Does not need selling. But, as you pointed out, I speak French and all of you speak Spanish, so agreement is futile. Listen to it again.
The very words used to state what the Sisters lack, are the exact words that could be used to describe their brilliance. Something is wrong.
Maybe those wussy high-end speakers you people listen to, can't capture the essence of the Sisters. Is an upgrade in order? May I recommend POLK? Pops had Polks. I think. :)
Speaking of French:
Sidney Bechet, was involved in a gunfight in Paris back in the 1920's, as a result of an argument over chord changes. Wounded two. This was in the middle of Paris in broad daylight! That's when Jazz was Jazz!!! :) Who has that kind of passion these days?
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I have the CD 'Duke Ellington and John Coltrane' that includes 'In a Sentimental Mood.' You don't often hear Coltrane playing so mellow. I will play the entire CD later today.
Thanks for the clip
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Acman3:
Everything I said was in jest. Just messin' with you guys.
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Don Cherry: My, My, You are advanced! I enjoyed it in spite of myself. I think I remember Cherry from back in the day. He used to play a tiny trumpet. African Tinge. Very good.
But, you better git yo self down to Nawlins!!
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Acman3:
*****I once played some Hot 5, for a friend who knew little about Armstrong, and after about 5 seconds he said ," Oh Cartoon music". I still laugh over that.*****
On disc three, the critic Gary Giddins relates a story where he played a record of Louis playing 'West End Blues' for a music professor friend of his. He listen to it, then asked Giddins to play it again, he did. Then the Music professor said "that is the most perfect three minutes of music I have ever heard". Notice, he said perfect MUSIC, not JAZZ. Interesting.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pK2gzH14KM
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Both "A-Train" clips are great. In Fact, I just happened to listen to the Mingus/Dolphy clip yesterday. But The Delta Rhythm Boys win by a landslide!! Just tooooo many Foxes!!!
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Urbie Green: Too smooth. No bite. No dynamic range.
No perceived start, middle,or end.
One Frenchman's opinion. :)
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Nice tune and playing on the Johnson clip. Never did get into trombone as a lead instrument. They always sounded muffled to my ear. That is, except when playing music from Nawlins, or in big bands. Not the best choice for Bop.
I have 4 CDs by Johnson. I like them more for the personnel playing with him, than I do for his playing.None I have are worthy of submission. The one you send was great. Maybe because of the Fox on piano!!
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For all of you that have ever sat on the 'Mourner's Bench.'
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sorry!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdPGDBZdXuk
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The truth is spoken here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJjjfFo5VIc
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Wynton tries Rap.
Something for all you Camus readers. hahahahahah
"Started off like Eldridge, now you're like Beaver." awesome line.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-Fk6t5vvbM
This is fun!
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Great clips. A small portion of those scenes are in the JAZZ dvd. I remember the women in the boxcar.
I knew I had heard that song before. Racked my puny brain and remembered. It's on a Aaron Neville CD, "Warm Hearts" I believe.
This is the version of 'Louisiana 1927' that I have.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EyfvnM4Grik
Thanks for the clips.
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Another great tune from the same CD. The name of the CD is "Warm your heart". The songs are all very good. If we all spoke French ,I would highly recommend it. :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neC_NH1AgTY
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The perils of dying in Nawlins. I bet old Kerwin thought he was going to rest in peace. Instead, He went on the ride of his life or should I say, his death!
The most absurd thing ever.
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again Sorry.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krJW2qMVv4M
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Acman3:
If I knew what the 'markup tag' was, I would surely use it. :)
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