Everyone familiar with MOOC?
http://www.mooc-list.com/course/introduction-music-etsu
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The DCI championships used to be televised each year. Another casualty of lowest common denominator programming.
I love this stuff!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myiEWUL37ZU
Check out all the different group's youtubes from the 2013 Championships.
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Billy Bang Quintet -- RAINBOW GLADIATOR
If this is an example of Avant-Garde Jazz, I stand corrected.
This is great stuff. The booklet was a joke, did not even list the players by name or instrument.
But, I just had to go to AMG, to discover the ID of the piano player. Her name is Michele Rosewoman. She can play. Another 'discovery' of mine.
Check it out.
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It will never be abstract again!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmOFAtg9twM
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Various -- THE BEST JAZZ TUNES OF 1960
Various -- THE BEST JAZZ TUNES OF 1961
From the same people that produced the "100 Best Jazz Tunes of the 1950s"
The sound quality is of the same high standard. As before, all top tier players and groups. More lesser known tunes, but that is a good thing.
Nice notes in the inserts with good pictures. Nice package. 2 CDs in each set.
I felt that the 'middle' was sort of weak on Coltrane's 'Giant Steps' and Ornette Coleman's 'Blues Connotation'. At low levels it can disappear. That Ornette gets better every time I hear him.
ANDY BEY AND THE BEY SISTERS. This is great singing with awesome arrangements. Ain't got it, git it. This is the one on the 'prestige' label.
I am listening to my second CD by Bey and his sisters now. Another great one I think!
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Speaking of Nawlins, This be the real deal.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GX0I60Zb9Qk
Two of his CDs "Resurrection of the Bayou Maharajah" and "Spiders on the Keys" highly recommended!!
As you can see, he don't need no stinkin' Steinway
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Acman3:
I have the soundtrack CD from the movie 'Kansas City' and another titled 'Kansas City Band/After Dark' which includes additional music from the film.
Your Clips: This is Jazz in it's natural enviroment. You got ya small cramped bar, you got ya smoke, you got ya rowdy crowd, you got ya working girls. Not a sheet of music in sight. The music just has to be Jazz!!
I see they are all wearing suits and ties. :) It does matter.
I prefer the Kansas city style above all others. It swings!
Thanks for sharing.
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The Frogman & Learsfool:
Can't the French get a little love? :) I saw the 'crooks' on the stage floor behind the players at the BBC Proms.
As far as the answers about why playing 'period' instruments would be a problem; it brought to mind the famous exchange between Monk and Coleman Hawkins. :)
Thanks to both of you for your excellent information. Where would we be without your unique perspectives on music and musicians.
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These are not being presented as input to the Jazz thread. Just a convenient place to store them for easy retrieval.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4C4NiVKrXk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4ZyCPhVvvM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=en6kmiX0SDc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6pnzyfFi9w
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0XMn0U9b2Y
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmvT7B3u7II
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5EdmHSTwmWY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIt3dx4an9c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqBtS6BIP1E
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWIGu6-r67Y
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0oFadjx-is
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IEJlSGRX1Y |
O-10:
*****Rok, could you post what CD's these cuts are from*****
I am not sure there is a CD. If there is, I have not been able to find it on Amazon.
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FYI: 'Tube Amps' on 'How it's made' tonight. Science channel. All of you that are into ancient technologies might find it interesting! |
8-8:30
Central Standard Time. Time Warner Cable.
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Temporary storage: Not Jazz.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFIOu2sYxoc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nu9RVPTpDyA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNj9bXKGOiI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlLsbL2LJKw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oab4ZCfTbOI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xO0Q3192Jrs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJX_MHeMm5g
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRctq68MGxM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOPYn1l1pvw
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John Coltrane -- EVOLUTION:THE ROAD TO GIANT STEPS
Four CD box set from the same folks that gave us 'The 100 Best Jazz Tunes of the 1950's' and 'The Best of 1960/61' sets.
Excellent packaging. Nice booklet with very interesting info on trane and his career. Good pictures. Excellent info on each tune on the CDs, including player lineup and the album the tune was taken from.
The only downside is that, CD #4, is the Coltrane CD, 'Giant Steps'. I would assume EVERY Coltrane fan has that CD.
The CD #4 does substitute the alternate takes found on the original 'Giant Steps' CD, with interviews given by Coltrane. Four of them. I guess that's an ok trade.
The other three CDs have Trane as leader, and as sideman with a bunch of folks. Miles, Monk, Adderley, Garland, and many more.
The sound quality is the same as the previous sets. Which is very good.
A must have? A lot of us, including me, have a lot of this music contained in our current Jazz collections. But it's worth it to me to get the nice packaging and the informative notes. Besides, I love well done Jazz complilations, esp box sets.
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O-10:
Both clips were very good. The Yellowjackets are a blast from the past. I have them on the LP, "Samuria Samba". That clip has an African tinge for sure.
Pat Metheny clip was good also. I also listened to this one so I could see the band playing. Done in Poland.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUAK02_o9cI
The girl is a Fox. The tune seemed unbalanced. It opened with the vocal stuff, then Metheny did his solo, and it ended. Should not the Vocals have come back to close it out?
The audience looked like a meeting of the communist central committee. The seating, the hall, and EVERYONE clapping. :)
But both were well done. I didn't think Metheny had it in him. I have his LPs of "80/81" and "First Circle".
The women were dressed, I guess the guys couldn't get to the cleaners in time to get their suits. :)
Thanks
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James Booker?
"Resurrection of the Bayou Maharajah" You gotta have it!!
Check out the clips on Amazon.
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***how does one acknowledge good artistry while at the same time not liking it?***
Is that possible?
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I had a similar experience in Korea. Our Commander was also the adventurous type, and liked to take all the Officers on these 'tours' to experience real Korean life. Nothing as upscale as your experience. We started with the street vendors.
We began with squid, clams and octopus, then on to fried insects and dog. But the best was yet to come. On another occasion, we went to a sitdown restaurant and we all had soup. That's when I formulated the first law of eating in Asia. Never, never, never, order the soup!!!
Still thinking about if you analogy applies to music. :)
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Wynton Marsalis -- At The Octoroon Balls-String Quartet No.1
I am surprised none of you 'progressive' folks have mentioned this one.
I am not sure what this is, but I like it. All the music was composed by Wynton Marsalis. This just adds to Wynton's reputation. The man can do anything musical.
Played by the Orion String Quartet.
Also included is "A Fiddler's Tale Suite". Sort of Marsalis' version, or his take on Stravinsky's "Soldiers Tale". Wynton plays trumpet on this piece, he does not play on "Octoroon Balls".
The complete Fiddler's Tale with narration is available on another Sony Disc.
Played by Chamber Music Society of Lincoln Center.
Not for everyone, but how can a Jazz / Classical Aficionado be without it? I feel it's historic. I loved it.
Outstanding Sound Quality. Interesting Notes. Check it out.
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O-10:
Good reviewers are hard to find. The best source I know of these days in 'The All Music Guide to Jazz'. It's out of print, but there is an internet site. I prefer the book. They can still be had at Amazon or other book sellers online.
My favorite reviewer there is Scott Yanow. We seem to be on the same wavelength. I assume all Jazz fans have this book, if not, get it!
The most important thing about AMG reviews, is that they state the type of Jazz the artist plays. So a 5-Star rating for a free Jazz album, would not interest me. Also nice short synopsis of each artist.
Back in the day I trusted a few guys at 'Stereo Review'. The Amazon reviews can be helpful, if there are enough so that you can seperate the serious from the idiots and the fans.
Listened to MJQ last night. "Fontessa" and "Django". Is there better Jazz for late night? They define sophistication!
Listening to Wes Montgomery now. "Full House" Live from a small club in Berkeley. With Miles' rhythm section. I have never heard Wes this way. They, the rhythm section, seem to bring out the best in everyone they play with. Remember Art Pepper? Johnny Griffin almost stole the show.
Begs the question, was it Miles or his Rhythm Section? :)
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****what distinguishes a good reviewer from a bad one is not wether he reviews music that we happen to like, but wether he is able to express in words how the music touches him/her; and, to do it in a credible and eloquent way*****
This is true, but from a personal point of view, it's more important that the reviewer's taste and musical sensibilities coincide with those of the reader and are demonstrated to be consistent over time.
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Youn Sun Nah.
Amazing ability with her voice. I found Koreans to be very passionate and soulful people. They love to sing. In 1976 during my first tour there, a then current hit song, sung by a Korean woman, is the most beautiful song I have heard to this day. Have no idea who she was, or what the song was about. I listened to it several times, almost daily, for 15 months.
If Jazz ever comes out of Asia, it will be Korean!
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***** Jimmy Scott passed away. R.I.P*****
There was none better. A victim of immoral, bottom-dwelling 'music executives', for much of his career. R.I.P. Indeed.
This morning, I am listening to his CD 'All The Way'. As is true of all of his recordings, higly recommended!!
Sad Day.
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O-10:
Computers don't go on the fritz these days. Don't you think it's time to 'upgrade' from that Commodore 64?
Could not click away from this. Just goes to show that you guys don't have to run all over asia to find new stuff.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAVEuYk5qiw
Better
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQGDEhgu-7E
Mo' Better
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FReGLY2lLuY
Even mo' mo' better
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAU5QSYmUsk
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What ever happened to Sonnenberg? She was thought to be the next queen of violin, after Anne-Sophie Mutter.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTU8Q0paSzk
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*****Tell that to Lois Lerner.*****
Her computer was just following orders. As was, I suspect, Ms Lerner. :)
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O-10:
****Regina Carter has really blossomed; I have a CD by her that I'm not too fond of*****
I agree completely. I also have an older CD of hers that I don't play alot.
***her jazz sensibilities make her sound like an old pro,***
Exactly!! Well Stated.
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Don't like these? Git outta Jazz!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jDDtUFUgbM
Bey Sisters SMOOTH SAILING
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVrB0TqRkEU
Bey sisters LOVE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCwWOEEvOjY
TASTE OF HONEY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNR0iLw92Gc&index=14&list=PLV6hME6DzFRSZy8PSXolDVKeWbcye7dLg
THE THRILL IS GONE
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4kvzWLSDT4&app=desktop
This could be a textbook example of just how irrelevant 'nuts & Bolts' can be to certain genres. (Jazz, Blues, Gospel,R&B)
I am sure by some musical definition, or standard, this is a blues tunes. But I grew up in the Mississippi Delta, and heard a lot of the greats, granted, before I knew what I was hearing, but I never heard anything that remotley sounded like this.
I wonder what John Lee and the boys would make of it.
Just so happens I recently received Oliver Nelson's CD "screamin' the blues". Features Eric Dolphy. All blues lovers should check it out.
Boogie Chillun' :)
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Just wondering.
Sheet music, and degree of difficulty. Would the written score used by the world's top Orchestras of a Beethoven symphony all be identical?
If they can and do get simpler, or less difficult, give an example of an Orchestra (name) that would use the simpler score.
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If the Berlin Philharmonic is playing Beethoven's Ninth and the Austin, Texas symphony is playing Beethoven's Ninth, are they using identical scores?
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*****I ordered her latest CD, "Southern Comfort"; she sounds so relaxed and confident now. Her new CD is derived from her roots in the south before she was born, I think it will be quite interesting.******
Let me know how you like it. And do yourself a favor and order this also. You will not be sorry!
http://www.concordmusicgroup.com/artists/andy-bey-and-the-bey-sisters/
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O-10:
*****I'm sure I would have enjoyed the Beys live, they have such a happy and joyous sound*******
I agree. And here is an example of that happy and joyous sound. I may have submitted this one before, but a person could listen to this everyday.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jDDtUFUgbM
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***My impression is that when there isn't unequivocal agreement with your assessment of an artist there seems to be a knee jerk reaction in the negative instead of a substantive discussion of the particulars of the "why's and how's"; perhaps I am mistaken****
I think all three of us agree on Carter. Yes, perhaps you are.
***But, to suggest that those guys can't play is ludicrous; those guys can play and they demonstrate superior musicianship even if falling short in the area of authenticity as compared to Delta blues.***
Didn't say they could not play. Did not even say the tune was not blues. I was just pointing out that music can meet certain technical criteria, and still not sound like what the name implies.
****"inner workings"**** aaaaaiiiiiieeeeeeeeee!!!!!
you slay one dragon and The Frogman blindsides you with another! Mercy Lord!!
****The "authentic" but mediocre food, or the excellent Nuveau (and barely Mexican) food? For me, it's a no-brainer.***
Depends on the genre. Blues, Gospel, Folk and real Country (not C&W), has to be authentic, otherwise its not really what the name says it is. A lot of modern music has no 'authentic' component to it. It consist of just the notes on the page.
IOW, the current Queen of Opera Divas, can sing any gospel song ever written. Blues and country songs also. Even if this diva was born and raised in Germany. Right? She can get the nuts and bolts, oops, I mean inner workings, perfect pitch and tone, but I doubt if she would get the correct meaning of the music. She would not want to get on the stage with The Gaithers or Mahalia Jackson.
When I was reading your food analogy, I thought about the Little Stevie Wonder song "Finger-tips parts one and two. On the record you can hear a member of the band shouting to his band mates "what Key?,What Key?" hahahaha. Mom and Pop forgot to put the meat in the tamales!!
Other than these few insignificant points, we are in total agreement.
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The Frogman:
Thanks for an excellent answer. You just could be the most valuable resource on all of Audiogon.
Can we now say that any difference heard between Berlin and Austin would be due to the difference in the skill level of the players? That's what I was trying to determine.
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Blues: Music Form vs Genre
Nuts and bolts blues, is the musical form. Muddy, Wolf, Hooker, and comnpany, is the Genre.
When I use the word Blues I am thinking of Muddy etc...
***Miles went to Juilliard*** His first mistake. I knew there was something wrong there.
"Miles has left Jazz and gone into Rock"-- Wynton Marsalis.
hahahahahha
Thanks for insights O-10. Spot on as usual.
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Learsfool:
HOOK'EM HORNS!!
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O-10:
*****Rok, I'm hoping the CD will offer something I didn't hear on the computer, but before I get the CD, I must say; they have too much of a "popular" sound for me. Just from reading the song titles, and personnel, I'm saying to myself "It's got to be good", but in my old age, I'm very hard to please because "good" is no longer good enough.******
The computer/youtube does not do the bey's justice. The tune list is sort of misleading, in the sense that you have never heard them done this way. Unique arrangements and fantastic harmony. The can really sing. Besides Kenny Burrell, Milt Hinton, Jo Jones and others, are on board, and provide great Jazz credentials.
If you don't love it, I will refund your money. I am older than you, and I listen to it everyday.
Got a new Cd player today. Can't wait to hear it on the new Marantz. Damn, I'm beginning to sound like an Audiophile!:( Help me Jesus!!
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****Hmmmm, so did Wynton.*****
Wynton also plays Classical music. He probably went to Juilliard to keep up on his nut&bolts. Or he could have been getting his "ticket punched" for the gig at Lincoln Center. Since NYC is completely under the control of N&Bism.
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***you are not a particularly good communicator via what you write. Example:****
Wrong answer! I am an excellent communicator. The problem is, you have this habit of reading what you wish I had said, rather than what I actually said.
****Nuts and Bolts is a term I use to reflect an attitude. And that is, that playing music in accordance with some musical theory, and that along, can make a player great.****
***Huh! If you mean this then it would go counter to everything that you have said previously about the subject.***
Allow me to say Huh!!! I am telling you that when I use the term N&B, I am referring to an attitude YOU have. YOU, not me. So how does the statement run counter to anything I have said? After all, it's you that champions all these school trained noise makers, not me. |
Learsfool:
Berlin vs Austin. I just used an extreme example in my attempt to make sure The Frogman understood my question. I was trying to find out if the musical scores, for all Orchestras, regardless of rank, were the same. I was not trying to compare Austin to Berlin in any other manner.
Thanks for dissing Central Texas. I'll have you know that Austin is the Live Music Capitol of the World. Don't believe it? Ask them!
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The Frogman / Learsfool:
Why not submit a list, for us aficionados, of GREAT Jazz players, who were great, BECAUSE, they went to Juilliard.
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O-10:
****I can feel Horace Silver's presence in this music, that's just how much of a difference, a great leader makes in the music*****
Of all recent losses, his death truly sadden me. Almost as if I had known him. In Nica's book, his first wish was for immortality. I think he really loved his music life. It showed in his performances.
Over-used word, but he was a true Giant.
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Listened to today:
Horace Silver -- DOIN' THE THING -- AT THE VILLAGE GATE
Horace Silver -- JAZZ HAS A SENSE OF HUMOR
Charles Mingus -- OH YEAH
George F. Handel -- WATER MUSIC / FIREWORKS MUSIC
Both Silver CDs were great. His death really sadden me. Surprised me. This is from his liner notes of the 'Sense of Humor' CD. The players he talks about are the group on this CD. Kisor plays trumpet, and has a beautiful tone. They were all good.
"I haver often been concerned about the state of Jazz in the future since most of our older masters of the music have passed on. I don't feel I have to be concerned about that issue any longer since fine young musicians like Ryan Kisor,Jimmy Greene,John Webber, and Willie Jones III are on the scene.....there are many more young Jazz musicians who are capable of carrying the music forward and insuring that it stays alive and vibrant. Insuring that it remains pure and unadulterated. Insuring that the masters have not sacrificed and dedicated their lives to this music in vain. Long live jazz in it's pure and unadulterated form."
He then dedicated the album to Thomas 'Fats' Waller.
Any Comments?
Nice interview with mingus at the end of his CD. Talks about his early career. He played with everyone, including Armstrong. Was afraid to travel down south with Pops, so he quit the band. Disappoints me to know that. Talks about influences like Joe Turner and T-Bone Walker.
The Water Music is the one The Frogman recommended. The English Concert / Pinnock. As always, The Frogman was spot on! Thanks.
I may have submitted this one before. It's LvB's 9th. Played at the 2012 porms. I am sending it again just for the interview at the beginning with Barenboim. I don't remember it being part of the clip last time. He makes some interesting comments about the symphony.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vypj9NCINdM
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Learsfool:
Nuts and Bolts is a term I use to reflect an attitude. And that is, that playing music in accordance with some musical theory, and that along, can make a player great.
You and The Frogman have a habit that drives me nuts. You misquote me, and then shoot down the misquote!
I was speaking of great players being asked about, not so great, or unknown players. "What do you think of so & so?"
Answer: Oh man, he is a great player. I wish I had him in my band. He will be the best someday. etc......
They will never say anything negative about a player regardless of that player's skill or potential. Why?
I think it's just because they are all nice guys. And they were not born great, so they know what it's like to struggle.
I cannot imagine any musician, other than so-called Rock musicians, being anything other than nice human beings.
Cross-genre? You are correct. They all respect each other. The great ones. Beverly Sills once said that Ella Fitzgerald had the most perfect voice she had ever heard. She was not being nice. Just factual. And I am sure the feeling was mutual.
My comments were about the great, being asked about the not so great, and unknown. And Nuts and Bolts, as I use it, means, if anything, a school of thought. Sort of like saying, you can go to school and learn how to be a great Jazz player. You can't. If you could, I would be one. :)
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**** but, with due respect, when it comes to some of these topics, you don't know what you are talking about. If you did, you wouldn't have to ask some of the questions that you do. ****
I don't HAVE TO ask any questions. Asking questions, and the answers, do not make me enjoy my music more. Just curious.
I know exactly what I am talking about. I always respect your facts. Your opinion is actually not as important as mine. Because I am a member of the most important group in the entire music equation. The Consumer! You guys don't impress us, you don't eat. Just the facts.
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O-10:
I agree about Marantz. This is my third Marantz player currently in my rack. I just got the CD6005. It appears to be the SA8005, without the SACD function. Same DAC, and it has the USB input.
So far I am very pleased with it.
I also have the SA8001(sacd) and the CD5004.
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O-10:
BTW, your Marantz is probably the most beautiful of all their CD players.
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****Don't you understand how ridiculous that comment is? Have you any idea how many great musicians there are in the jazz and the classical world who are assholes? And why are you denigrating all Rock musicians?****
OK class, lets read every word very carefully.
I said, "I can't imagine". That is different from saying "Every musician is in fact". I don't know all these people, and neither do you, so I am basing this or media I have seen, heard, or read about the artist. But please, do feel free to submit a list of Famous, Great, Jazz players, who are also Assholes.
I trash Rock 'musicians' because they destroyed Rock & Roll.
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****BTW, what happened with that on-line music course you were considering? You should do it. ****
I am still reading my book. Very interesting. But I have no interest in becoming a musician. I may be lacking in my N&B knowledge, but I know Jazz when I hear it!! :)
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