Jazz for aficionados


Jazz for aficionados

I'm going to review records in my collection, and you'll be able to decide if they're worthy of your collection. These records are what I consider "must haves" for any jazz aficionado, and would be found in their collections. I wont review any record that's not on CD, nor will I review any record if the CD is markedly inferior. Fortunately, I only found 1 case where the CD was markedly inferior to the record.

Our first album is "Moanin" by Art Blakey and The Jazz Messengers. We have Lee Morgan , trumpet; Benney Golson, tenor sax; Bobby Timmons, piano; Jymie merrit, bass; Art Blakey, drums.

The title tune "Moanin" is by Bobby Timmons, it conveys the emotion of the title like no other tune I've ever heard, even better than any words could ever convey. This music pictures a person whose down to his last nickel, and all he can do is "moan".

"Along Came Betty" is a tune by Benny Golson, it reminds me of a Betty I once knew. She was gorgeous with a jazzy personality, and she moved smooth and easy, just like this tune. Somebody find me a time machine! Maybe you knew a Betty.

While the rest of the music is just fine, those are my favorite tunes. Why don't you share your, "must have" jazz albums with us.

Enjoy the music.
orpheus10

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nsp I just listened to "Chelsea Bridge" by Don Braden and I'm half way through "Blue Minor" from Teodross Avery.

Two really great saxophonist's that I was previously unfamiliar with. That's why I am on this forum to share and learn!
frogman I definitely hear the connection between "Foggy Day" and "Milestones" I have the Milestones album and have listened to it hundreds of times but I do not own "A Garland Of Red" so I never could have picked up on that having heard Foggy Day to few times to remember. 


I do know that the  beginning of a song by Horace Silver sounds a lot like the beginning of a Steely Dan song (to me anyway)


Silver:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWeXOm49kE0


Steely Dan:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfZWp-hGCdA
mary jo I watched both Tyson/Holyfield fights and in both fights Tyson showed his only vulnerability, and subsequently, the way to beat him.

Now don't get it twisted. Tyson was a great fighter. One of the best heavyweights of all time but far from contention in the best ever.

Tyson had heavy hands and could knock out any boxer even one who was recognized as having a "great chin." Tyson's power was intimidating. As Tyson himself once said and I quote "Every boxer has a plan [against him] until they get hit. I would even go so far as to say a handful of Tyson's opponents were already beat before they climbed through the ropes.

Evander knew his weakness. Stand in there with him through the early rounds and weather the storm. Keep him at bay with jabs and clutch him on the inside. Make the fight go into the later rounds or the "championship rounds" as they are called. If Mike was not having it his way by rounds 5 -8 he was beatable in the championship rounds (9 -12).

Now that I taught mary jo a thing or two about boxing its jazz time.


nsp Archie Moore was the second greatest Light heavyweight of all time. Number one, IMHO goes to Ezzard Charles.

The "Cincinnati Cobra" beat the "Mongoose" every time they fought. I know your reading the Stan Getz book now but you may want to put these 3 books on your list of books to read. I read them all and can highly recommend them:

https://www.amazon.com/Ageless-Warrior-Boxing-Legend-Archie/dp/1582612552/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=archie...

https://www.amazon.com/Ezzard-Charles-Boxing-William-Dettloff/dp/0786497432/ref=sr_1_1?crid=21INOE84...

https://www.amazon.com/Charley-Burley-Black-Murderers-Row/dp/0954392426/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=the+black+murderers+row&qid=1564529297&s=books&sr=1-1

I’m sure you have heard of the greatest boxer to never get a title shot Charley Burley and the "Black Murderers Row"

If you end up reading the Archie Moore book that was my source for the connection between Archie Moore and Lucky Thompson.

Back to jazz - James Carter had many influences but I know 2 of his favorites are Don Byas and Lucky Thompson.

nsp "High Pressure" is on the Coltrane box set "Side Steps" as well. Also in its entirety. When I purchased "Side Steps" (5 discs) and "Fearless Leader" (6 discs) they were just released and around 35 dollars each which is a bargain.
My first Tom Harrell disc. I bought it when it was released in 2012 and I like it a lot. Still filling out my Harrell collection. Any recommendations?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LU71pXt2Nyg


frogman Miles could and would get mean and nasty. His personal life was filled with drama - some of it violent. Miles welcomed confrontation whereas Evans seems to me the kind of guy who would take the high road Evans was a mellow person no doubt about that. 







nsp That's good news about the "Side Steps" price. Yea Trane's personal life was a real mess at the time. But when he quit all the substances he rose like a phoenix. I visit his grave often and also the house in Deer Park located off the north service rd. 495 eastbound.


One of my favorite "go to" Trane discs:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbSWzaDAf10

 "Maybe I’m being unfair; but, if you knew nothing about them, which of these two individuals do you think is less likely to want conflict and call lawyers"

A picture does not always tell the story...…  

Miles Davis kicked his heroin habit after 2 years of using(cold turkey no methadone). I believe he kicked it in 1953 or 54. After that he was always on top of his band about using. Philly Joe Jones and John Coltrane received verbal thrashings numerous times from Miles. Miles once told Coltrane when he showed up for a gig that he looked terrible and his suit looked like he slept in it.

Bill Evans, oth, used heroin for approximately 25 years (1955 -1980) and I bet he stayed on methadone for the remainder of his life. He was strung out all the time. In the following book, Evans' friend Gene Lees described Evans's struggle with drugs as "the longest suicide in history."

read:https://www.amazon.com/Bill-Evans-How-Heart-Sings/dp/0300097271/ref=sr_1_1?crid=223NU8960Z1RK&ke...


I am not saying that Miles did not do anything underhanded. Maybe he did, maybe not. I can hear the similarities in the two songs. However I think Bill Evans addictions affected him badly and impaired his judgement in certain areas of his life. (definitely not his brilliant piano playing).
mary jo thanks for the boxing and jazz quote. They call boxing "The Sweet Science" and you could also say the same for jazz.

Anthony Joshua did not take his opponent seriously. Deontay Wilder would beat Joshua all day but since he ducked Wilder and fought and lost to a lesser contender the big money "superfight" everyone wanted (Joshua/Wilder) is done.
frogman I like the Harrell selections you posted. I noticed they were all from Harrell's younger days. Is there something that you don't like about his output since 2000?
nsp thanks I purchased "Roman Nights" a month or so back when we were discussing Harrell here. A very fine session.  

I have 16 Phil Woods discs (a couple have Harrell on Trumpet). MY favorite right now has been "Images" with Phil Woods and the Michel Legrand Orchestra. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lIAy3WIRuM
frogman I have Woods' "Musique do Bois" disc. The version of Willow Weep For Me he plays on that is an up - tempo of the original which became a jazz standard. And, yes, the rythm section on Woods' rendition sounds exactly like All Blues from KOB. 


nsp I had never heard of Billy Childs until I saw your post. He sounds a little like HH. I liked both songs. 


BTW, when I listened to Phil Woods' rendition of "Willow Weep For Me" it was easy to hear how you immediately and correctly stated the bass line was "borrowed" from KOB's All Blues.
keegiam no need to apologize as the frogman says its quite common here.

I posted it in reference to the both of us liking that song not to point out that you re-posted it.


This 2014 session by Childs, a homage to an idol of his, the late singer/songwriter Laura Nyro, with an all star ensemble of contributors consisting of the who's who in jazz, Wayne Shorter amongst others, is extremely ambitious to put it mildly.

Not my cup of tea but is does show just how talented at composing, arranging, and playing piano Billy Childs is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_hvdK6_KlE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FIfs8R8FmlQ
Big Harold Land fan here. I have all of his sessions as a leader and to many to count of his sessions as a sideman with the likes of Curtis Counce, Carmell Jones, Bobby Hutcherson, Blue Mitchell, and many more including his short stay on the east coast in the mid 50's to play on all the Max Roach / Clifford Brown sessions.


IMHO, Land has been under appreciated and deserving of more recognition for the truly remarkable tenor player he was. He makes my list of top 25 all time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4J6c0g2CyzM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRVvP1IcbqY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_9MsAUoGfs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_eeqCVvlHA
Thank you acman3! I have that album and play it often.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nt_fmhtePoc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIANyO3jdA8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GslhRUBgXNI 

Harold knew when to blow hard and when to blow soft. His timing in and out of a solo was impeccable. And it is my sincere belief that Clifford and Harold had a "telepathic connection" while playing.
alex I have all those albums except the last one by Bill Evans. I'm one of the rarities in that I prefer Monk (40 plus discs) over Evans (12 discs).
alex I liked that song "Dulcinea Blue" of Evans’ Quintessence album so much that I listened to a few more songs off it on You Tube then ordered the album. The 3 men playing along with Evans on it, Harold Land, Kenny Burrell, and Ray Brown are giants of jazz.

I received the album "Continuo" by Avishai Cohen and gave it a thorough listen. Great album.

Still waiting for your review of the Cohen concert. A simple short answer will suffice if you are short on time.


"Continuo" full album:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=numSROD-gZY&list=PLoxhDWWBCgefXsfrPmbktRpAmreYVgOGy



frogman thanks for the links to the Hawes album which I have already ordered. BTW La Faro is a superb bass player. Its a shame he was killed like Clifford Brown, both in their primes, in an automobile accident.

Speaking of Monk and Evans - "Everybody digs Bill Evans" (I do have that album). I like the unconventional manner in which Monk plays and the beautiful music he creates in this manner. Monk is the only piano player that I regularly listen to his solo sessions.


How much more do I like Monk then Evans - about a 1/4 of an inch between the tip of my thumb and index finger.

Classic Monk:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KshrtLXBdl8

Classic Evans:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDw2ClkdeR4

frogman, what is the best solo session on record by Evans? Your opinions go a long way with me and I do need an Evans solo session in my collection.



alex thanks for your candid review on the Cohen concert.

frogman thanks for the Evans recommendations. I found all those albums on Amazon at reasonable prices.

mary jo - alex - frogman I know exactly what you mean by "comfort zone" I too feel the same but like to try new things. More about that later.

Welcome back Schubert! 
More live Monk:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTijrDIU-m4

I love how Monk leaves his piano and starts dancing (if you could call it that) around in a Fred Sanford like gate And the way he plays the piano - not hunched over in a "trance like" state he bobs and weaves and lifts his hands way up and down sometimes putting one hand on top of the piano while playing with the other. 

Simply put you could tell he just loves what he is doing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kROre63J0Lw

The quality of this video (image and sound) is a bit better then the last 2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RINHNEMtm_k
I want to thank frogman, rok and keegiam for their input on the audio gear.

Again, just like 13 months ago, Lyle Mays got lost and forgotten while the audio gear debate got heated.

Frogman and others what is your opinion on Lyle Mays?

Hello Orpheus10 

Great to see a post from you. Feel free to stop in more often after all you started this thread and I think its safe to say you are missed by all of us here when you don't come around for long periods.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLq3Y6zhyGA


Orpheus10 I enjoyed the John Wright Trio album. I listened to every song. I had never heard of him thanks for that.

I am, of course, familiar with Ahmad Jamal and I too have his "At the Pershing / But Not For Me" disc. Mine is one of the latest re-issues on CD and has the 7:38 long version of "Poinciana" released on the Chess label and it is remastered (32 bit).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cytUz9KkK9M

Orpheus10 I am really liking the stories of your experiences in the jazz clubs back when jazz was still very relevant and popular in American culture. Your trips down memory lane are like gold to me. 

Keep them coming. Do you take requests?
Orpheus10 thanks for that.

I like Miles’ "first electric years" 68 -75. I have all of his output from those years including bootleg stuff.

I was fortunate enough to see Wayne Shorter, just once, at Town Hall NYC I believe it was in 2014. It was a Shorter "masterclass" in Avant Guard.

I remember now it was the Shorter 80th birthday tour. I never saw Miles live. Very unfortunate.


Did you see Art Blakey?
 Orpheus10

If the answer to my question is yes, do you have an example of a Miles Davis show you attended?
BTW, I have that Blakey album along with 50 something other Blakey discs. Also one of my favorites.
Orpheus10 thanks again for sharing your memories of the "good ole days" when jazz was still king.

I know your having serious health issues but when you feel up to it know that I will be watching for your posts on your favorite jazz music and the musicians that you had the privilege to see live. 

 Lou Donaldson and I had a 20 minute conversation at a joint on 51st and Broadway, NYC, and I will cherish it always.
Orpheus10 I understand what you mean about the drastic change in Miles' music and dress code. I have read a couple of his biographies and know a little about him.

And your perspective is different because you were listening to him as he changed in real time not after his death and on recordings.


I have seen "Sweet Papa" Lou Donaldson at least a half dozen times and in almost every known jazz venue in NYC.

He sounded great right up into his mid - late 80's. I have not seen an announcement for him playing for about 3 -4 years now I think he finally retired.
nsp

 Thanks for the "Its Time!" songs. I have that disc in my collection. Another fine session by Jackie Mac.



Orpheus10 

We were just discussing that very album by Donald Byrd and Pepper Adams a few weeks ago. And I agree the music they made on those sessions is beautiful.

The lineup on the album is sensational. The only musician that I was unfamiliar with was the bassist Laymon Jackson.


Thanks for your Miles Davis reminiscences. 
Orpheus10,
I have both of those Donald Byrd albums with Duke Pearson on piano. Like you I also have none of his sessions as a leader and plan on fixing that.

 Big fan of Jackie Mac here. I have around 15 discs with him as a leader and to many more to count with him as a sideman like on the Mingus song you posted.

BTW, J.R. Monterose, the tenor sax on "Pithecanthropus Erectus" is outstanding as well.
I think the Avishai Cohen concert put alex in a state of shock!

Anyway I know he will be back probably he is busy doing other things besides checking this site. That gives me an idea!

Just kidding I always find time for this thread no matter what I have to do.
Welcome back alex, 56 here.

This Freddie Hubbard album, "Minor Mishap"(released in 1989), featuring Duke Pearson on piano was originally released as a Duke Pearson album titled "Dedication!" released in 1961 on the Prestige label.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHPenlTH7UY

nsp,
Great Jackie Mac selections. Here is a couple from one of my favorite JM sessions:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8n2C9ybcjEQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDv7DRfF2bE

Keeping with the current topic of playing with "emotion" I think that could be said of the following song off of a terrific album:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDiy7o01H2w


I just listened to a couple more songs off of Yusef Lateef's "Live At Peps" and have already ordered volume 1 and 2 on CD.

Really good music thanks Orpheus for posting "Sister Mami" as I never had heard of these live 2 volume releases before.
I like Yusef Lateef as well but must admit I only have one of his recordings titled "Eastern Sounds"

The "Sister Mami" song, posted by Orpheus10 was very intense. I think that live album will be my next Lateef purchase.

A couple off of "Eastern Sounds"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6ozhnxYfKs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGkKc52Cvxo


nsp,

Great links of "newer jazz" I especially liked the song from the Grant Stewart "Plus 4" album. I will be adding that disc to my collection.
John Zorn has written quite a few "mainstream jazz" arrangements played in an "accessible" manner by excellent musicians. The "Book Of Angels V12", links courtesy of acman3, is proof of that.


Further proof can be found on BOA V11 featuring Medeski, Martin, and Wood. Not as "easily accessible" as BOAV12, MMW sound more like jazz fusion but still nowhere near some of the "way out there" Zorn compositions/arrangements/music.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAbXWby68B0



Orpheus10, I posted this on the last page but it was overlooked. 

I know this is "real jazz", played by excellent musicians, and every one of them puts "emotion/feeling/soul" into their solo's. I have the album and I think its a gem.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDiy7o01H2w

Another example of a current jazz guitarist who is pretty darn good:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-p2qja49-Oc

Fast forward to 6:45 to hear Gilmore's solo.

And then there is the great Bobby Broom, whom Sonny Rollins brought on tour with him numerous times in the 90's.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrekQ3339BY

nsp, Thanks once again for introducing me to Grant Stewart. I have been listening to a lot of his music last couple days.

Grant is living proof of what you have repeatedly been posting - there is no shortage whatsoever of jazz musicians of today that can and do play old school jazz and play it well.

"Real Jazz" as Orpheus10 would say....

Here is Grant playing "old school be bop"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_Lght0wPzw

Grant playing Tadd Dameron’s "The Scene Is Clean"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRjR5JLMZfM

Grant playing Johnny Mercer’s "Somethings Gotta Give"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BuUm732W5bQ

alex I hope you take note of the above. Not saying you should buy albums from current jazz musicians but there are plenty of them playing "Real Jazz" similar then your extensive collection of jazz LP's from the 50’s and 60’s. And they can play it with "emotion"

Whenever any jazz musician stretches the boundaries in search of a new sound, Coltrane’s last 2 years for example, it is not going to have that "Real Jazz" sound rooted in blues. And this was just as true in the 50’s - 60’s, Ornette Coleman as another example, as it is in 2019.