Jazz for aficionados
Schubert, Stan Getz went to Brazil to record with Joao Gilberto on the session that "The Girl From Ipanema" was recorded. They were to rehearse while waiting a couple days for the "professional" vocalist to arrive. Stan suggested to Joao that his wife, Astrud, sing in her stead until she arrived. After hearing Astrud sing Stan told Joao to call the pro and tell her to stay home because Astrud's vocals were perfect for the Bossa Nova songs they were to record. Of course later, Stan had an affair with Astrud. I read a great biography of Stan Getz. Apparently he was a real ladies man. |
I just received an album by the Steve Kuhn Trio with Joe Lovano titled "Mostly Coltrane" The material is superb and Lovano and the trio sound awesome. Highly recommended! I could not find any of the studio session songs on You Tube but ran across this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvgdBM16sys |
mary jo I agree 100% with your last post. You do not have to be the perfect singer who can sing in any octave, perfectly on time, and in all genres of music and still sound great. How many vocalists truly possess this gift?? Your example of Astrud and your observation/conclusion of what she brings to the table as a vocalist is correct. Stan Getz knew what you know as soon as he heard her sing. |
frogman, Stan Getz could be, and was at times, very violent. If it were not for his son he might have choked his wife to death one night. She had been secretly giving Stan some drug (I forget the name of it) that she got from a doctor. Anyway Her (I forget her name but she was born in Europe and was a wealthy and beautiful countess) and Stan had been seeing this doctor and a psychologist to help Stan out with his addiction problems. At this time he was off of the heroin but was drinking heavily. The doctor suggested this drug which makes you sick when you drink. If I remember correctly Stan refused but his wife went behind his back and got the drug and was slipping it to Stan daily. Stan was getting violently sick after just a few drinks and eventually solved the riddle then went into a rage confronting his wife and he pushed her onto their bed and was on top of her with his hands around her throat when their son, who had heard all the commotion, went into their bedroom and pulled his father off of his mother. I read the book over 10 years ago so my recollection of some of the history could be a bit off but the above scene I distinctly remember because it was extremely abnormal behavior (at least I think so). Here is the book which I highly recommend for Getz fans: https://www.amazon.com/Stan-Getz-Life-Donald-Maggin/dp/0688123155/ref=sr_1_4?keywords=stan+getz&... Here is a review from 2017 on the book: I dunno--kind of a love and hate thing here because the book was so detailed in every little cubby hole of Getz's haphazard life -- it was just shocking to read of a life so misaligned due to mental illness, yet so stupendously prodigious in his profession. I literally put the book down and just shook my head more than once while reading through it. The author speaks with a real display of knowledge concerning how music is created and innovated upon, but I think he went just a little too far in the personal trials that Getz suffered and inflicted upon others in his tormented years. |
More on Getz I may have been wrong that Getz married the wealthy countess but I remember he had a relationship with her when he was living in Europe where he met his second wife, Monica Silfverskiöld, who was the daughter of a Swedish physician. When I have the time I will search the book for the countess' name. More on Getz/Astrud: http://www.organissimo.org/forum/index.php?/topic/63373-getzgilberto-astrud-their-working-relationsh... |
I searched Stan Getz my book and found that it indeed was Monica Silfverskiöld, Stan’s second wife who came from an "aristocratic" family. Monica was the granddaughter of Count Eric von Rosen, and a member of the privileged "Jeunesse Doree" the golden youth of post war Europe. Her mother Mary grew up on the von Rosen estate - thousands of acres of farms and woodland and lakes surrounding Rockelstad, a castle with scores of rooms built circa 1640. Monica’s mother Mary married Dr. Nils Silfverskiöld, a handsome orthopedic surgeon who was 18 years her senior. Hermann Goring, head of the Nazi Luftwaffe (air force), once spent a few days at castle Rockelstad! BTW, a new Stan Getz album of a live performance at the Village Gate, NYC 1961 with pianist Steve Kuhn, bassist John Neves, and the incomparable Roy Haynes on drums was just released last month. I ordered it this morning. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07QD32SVK/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_image_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 |
Schubert your incessant posts to "prove" to every member of this forum that your opinions are the end all be all are, to put it mildly, bigotry. You are entitled to your opinion and I have always respect that. While all of us here might have differing opinions and viewpoints on subjects we should respect each other. No one can claim that his or her opinions are the only ones that count. You are entitled to your own opinion but not your OWN FACTS. Fact: The Getz Gilberto album was, up until much later, the number one selling jazz album with the number one selling jazz single of all time. Fact: At a time when rock and roll was becoming the mainstream music in the U.S.A. and the beatle’s had just released a couple albums that Getz Gilberto was an international success speaks volumes of the appeal of Astrud’s vocals to the jazz community. On another note why don’t you throw all of your Stan Getz albums in the trash (if you have any) since he was a drug and alcohol addict, bi polar, and a sexual predator. |
nsp I got the "Getz at the Gate" disc now but have no time yet to give it a listen. Work until 3pm job in Massapequa then back home clean up and back out to NYC to see Mr. James Carter. Set starts at 8pm. will be a long day. I’m watching the following now to remind me that no matter what I am doing I get my ass to NYC every time JC comes to town. As if I need reminding. Hopefully I can get a long conversation with him in between sets. JC starts his solo at 3:37 I do wish that accordion player was in his band but you cant always get what you want. I would love to see James in a big band setting. He seems only to do that in Europe and not that often. Maybe one day..... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbcrssLqVQk |
Chazro Thanks for the link I was not aware of that. The Blue Note was packed last night for the show. Unexpected for a Wednesday night. JC signed autographs and took photo's with the fans in between sets. Gerard Gibbs played piano instead of the B3 organ and the bassist and drummer, which I am unfamiliar with, were great in rounding out the rythm section. |
mary jo I had a great time. JC never disappoints when performing. He is passionate about what he does and it shines through with not only his saxophone playing but also the rythm section, which in following his lead, elevates their playing as well. What really stood out was Gerard Gibbs' excellent playing on the piano which I had never seen him play as he is always plays a Hammond B3 organ. Gerard and James go way back as you can see on the 3rd link in my last post - a live video from Jazzwoche Burghausen 2004. More on Gerard Gibbs: https://www.bluellamaclub.com/event/gerard-gibbs-organized-crime |
nsp I listened to Getz at the Gate last night and it is an outstanding 2 disc set. Steve Kuhn is indeed underrated.Steve Kuhn and Roy Haynes were in top form on the "Village Gate" date and Stan Getz - well what can I say - he was not called "The Sound" for nothing! I also enjoyed Kuhn's playing on the "Mostly Coltrane" album. Lovano shows why some consider him one of the greatest saxophonists ever on "Mostly Coltrane" |
Alan Broadbent is similar to Steve Kuhn in that he slips under the radar but is an extremely talented pianist/arranger/composer. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UzpART4gNk |
Over the past hour I have been listening to bassist Avishai Cohen songs on You Tube WOW! Incredible bass playing and all around musicianship by the whole trio. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJ_tWKhwBbQ&list=PLoxhDWWBCgecfKLVfjH9wX5D2dXlMYOS-&index=3 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JURBuEQA1sM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnuRTvbS9xE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B19J-Mgfz88 One of the best trio's out there is my conclusion! |
Here is Avishai playing electric bass with Jimmy Greene on sax. I have always liked Greene's playing and have a couple of his discs including a live one from Smalls. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_317YOBfMZQ |
alex hope you have a great time. That band is tight. Cohen is a great bassist/arranger/composer and he seems to always have a really talented pianist and drummer on his studio albums and concerts. As nsp mentioned the drummer on that live concert was also really good. I like his drummer Mark Guiliana and pianist Sam Barsh the best of them all and have ordered the albums "Continuo" and "Gently Disturbed" Guiliana plays drums on both those sessions and Barsh plays piano on Continuo. |
nsp, "Getz at the gate" features predominately long songs and all of the musicians stretch out some nice solo's. Stan, being the leader, is showcased more. There is a nice surprise on track 5 disc 1 in which Stan steps back and lets the rythm section do a fine 12 minute rendition of the John Coltrane song "Impressions" Stan says they would play Miles Davis' "So What" but it is definitely the song "Impressions" as listed on the disc tracks. Here it is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ln36YA6_xM |
nsp and frogman I have 2 Donald Byrd albums with a young Herbie Hancock. The aforementioned "Out Of This World" and another which Pepper Adams does not appear on titled "Free Form" The next Donald Byrd albums I plan on buying are the late 50’s "Jazz Laboratory" sessions featuring Donald Byrd and Gigi Gryce with a numerous cast of excellent supporting sidemen including Paul Chambers and Art Taylor among them. There are 4 or 5 discs of this incarnation currently circulating. https://www.allmusic.com/album/jazz-lab-mw0000889906 The "Jazz Lab" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkDkD9G4130 |
More on the "Jazz Lab" I found the complete sessions box set on CD but its rather pricey: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00BGQ2QCM/?coliid=I1WASKOPWRQVOI&colid=2MJEFFF7AFXNS&psc=0&re... The above includes the live at Newport recordings which I have read are of very poor sound quality. I will be buying the individual studio albums volumes 1 through 4 which can be readily be found for 10 - 15 dollars each. |
Some of Chet Bakers finest: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJF7M6f8XbY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwDSDy7gLr0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwDSDy7gLr0 I think Chet sounded better after he changed his embouchure due to his teeth getting knocked out |
Great trio’s nsp I like Red Garland’s trio output. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9BCWzQnQ4Q https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MY7kXKFMjUw&list=RDMY7kXKFMjUw&start_radio=1 If you don’t have this already get it: https://www.amazon.com/Swingin-Korner-Live-At-Keystone/dp/B00OYT0Z62/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_1?keywords=red+g... |
If you have the time to watch this 55 minute video, as I just did, it is certainly worth it. Branford Marsalis Quartet at the Newport Jazz Festival 1987 Kenny Kirkland piano, Delbert Felix bass, Lewis Nash drums https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zw_yQ3V5gEU |
nsp I have listened to a few songs off of Red Garland's "All Kinds of Weather" album including the two you shared today. It is an excellent album no doubt (did Garland ever make a bad recording???) but one I never got around to buying. I have 4 Red Garland trio albums The PC Blues, Groovy, Red Garlands Piano, and Swingin' on the Corner - Live at Keystone Korner. The last one I just purchased and it is a great live 2 disc set with Leroy Vinegar replacing Garlands usual bandmate, Paul Chambers, on bass. The Red Garland's "All Morning Long" album is Garlands usual trio plus Coltrane and Byrd. I do not have that album, which is fantastic, on the Red Garland quintet album. I have it in its entirety on the John Coltrane "Side Steps" box set. All Morning Long features just 3 songs. The first song (also the album title) clocks in at 20:21 and the following songs are 10:28 and 6:18 respectively. https://www.allmusic.com/album/all-mornin-long-mw0000198802 |
alex I listened to the tunes from the "Reds Good Groove" album. Another great session by Red and co. Of the 4 sidemen just Philly Joe Jones played with Red a bunch of times yet the group was locked in. That album is on my list to buy. Here is another of Reds recordings with Coltrane and Byrd: https://www.amazon.com/Soul-Junction-Red-Garland-Quintet/dp/B000000YR0/ref=sr_1_fkmr1_1?keywords=red... Again, I don't have the album by Red but I have it in its entirety on the Coltrane "Side Steps" box set a couple from Soul Junction: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31dwHVGKx3w https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYFnCJ80axc It has been said (by Miles Davis among others) that Red Garland was a boxer who fought at welterweight and once fought Sugar Ray Robinson. I have researched this and cannot find a professional boxer named Red Garland on Boxrec (the number one source for career profiles of every pro boxer since boxing began). I am thinking that Red was an amateur who never turned pro. Or he could have fought as a pro under a different name which was popular during that time (Sugar Ray Robinson's real name was Walker Smith Jr.). I am just as passionate about boxing and its history as I am with jazz. I am leaning towards Garland never turning pro. I’ve been waiting for the A. Cohen review..... |
nsp thanks for the info and I'm glad to see another boxing aficionado as well as a jazz aficionado like myself. Miles Davis was a huge fan of boxing and a friend of Sugar Ray. According to the Davis biography I read Sugar Ray "scolded/lectured" Miles when he was using heroin in the early 50's. Another legendary boxer and one of my all time favorites along with Sugar Ray was Archie Moore the middleweight - light heavyweight - heavyweight. Archie, also known as the "Mongoose" was a great friend of the spectacular tenor player Lucky Thompson and invited Lucky to his training camp to play while Archie was training. Lucky always obliged Archie if he was around and had the time. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agX6noZYb2k https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MACQ1mr0TA0 The first link, Slams Mishap, is a tune that James Carter loves. I know this because he has played it in full or in part during a medley at every show I went to. That unforgettable sax chorus 09 seconds into Slams Mishap you will hear at every James Carter concert. A live version of Slams Mishap is on the James Carter album "Heaven on Earth" Alex I'm still waiting on your A. Cohen concert review...….. |
acman3 I listened to the song off of "Bonegasm" called Stellar. Different but I liked it and found this interesting clip on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wk2LJdJaefg Jennifer Wharton's got talent! |
