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pjwI enjoyed the Alvin Lee vids most in reverse order. The "Bluest Blues" was amazing w/ GHarrison on slide gtr as bonus. Lee gets in some great licks at the end of the song. . 2nd blues song also excellent. Alvin was labeled as "fastest guitar " based on TYA performance at Woodstock but I feel he excelled most on slower blues where he could be more expressive less flashy.
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frogmanI have to agree with your assessment of "Giant Steps". I listen to the first cut with Tenors Brecker and Mintzer and it's obvious their technical facilities are being used more than Carter. I liked Mintzer's version better then brecker's. I like the fact they adhere to the changes of the song and you can hear them going through them when they play. I think for James Carter he has carved a style of his own when playing that is very demonstrative, exciting and different than anyone else. Of course this is an important element for anyone's development. Sometimes I find James veers off into for lack of a better term an R&B Style. But he is never less than interesting exciting and I think he has incorporated previous styles of jazz into to his own personal statement. Maybe James is abandoning some or all of the to Giant Steps to make a different statement. But then it's not Giant Steps is it?
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Morgan's and Johnny Mathis versions of" since I fell for you "are the best |
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jchiappinelli I have to agree with you Gato had a very distinctive voice on his instrument. I did post something from Blue Notes" Complete Communion" album last year but don't remember it receiving much response. I like his early work which was mostly in the avant-garde category and his work on the impulse label. Don't care for his later more commercial recordings. The soundtrack from the early seventies is one of my favorites: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8dPNHriiZA |
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orpheus10 & frogman I would like to Clarify my position on gato Barbieri. I did like his work with Don Cherry on the two blue note albums from the 60s. I have a later 60s album with Gato in a trio which is totally avant-garde and I don't like.That speak low cut posted by O10 could have been recorded by CTI heavy on the orchestration light on the improvisation. I think he made his stylistic turn with the soundtrack he did for Last Tango in Paris and never looked back. I don't think he ever topped it . I did like some of the impulse label things he did but I no longer own them. The rest of it you can keep Here's another standard recorded by gato and the complete album http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wQgSft3pf8 |
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orpheus10 that's too bad it's no that's too bad it's no longer like that. I guess times change. it sounded so vibrant with all the different clubs and churches on every corner all with music. At least you have your memories and you must feel lucky to have been there at that time. I will have some other comments about his interview when I finish it.
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rokI remember two bits being a quarter I never heard of six bits. Is it $0.75?
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orpheus10You took some time where you were not participating and we were posting more recent jazz.
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pjw famous Buddy Rich quote from a Tonight Show episode when he was sitting with Johnny Carson. he had to go into the hospital and the doctor asked him" are you allergic to anything" and he answered" yes country and western"
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWP77C4StLs pjw back in the late seventies when I started listening to Jazz Buddy Rich was one of my favorite artists and drummers( not as much today). I may have to buy That Bio when it comes out. you were correct I could only listen to several minutes of that rant. It's tasteless.I think it's pretty well-known that Jerry Seinfeld used several of buddie's quotes in different episodes. Here they are see above My favorite quote: " would you like to step outside and I'll show you what it's like" BTW - he was a black belt in karate and he probably could back up that statement! |
MBL speakers always wanted to hear them. Very difficult to find a little strange looking but a different technology from most of the other speakers out there. |
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I have that rich Lionel Hampton Art Tatum disc you listed for quite a while. It's very good. Art Tatum was quite a player and Rich plays brushes a lot and is quite subdued in this context. RecommendedI agree with frogman's assessment of Rich and that it was "the Buddy Rich Show" bombastic in-your-face loud big band which I liked at first but grew out of as my tastes changed.
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pjwNot to worry buddy Rich's place in jazz history is firmly cemented. They can think whatever they want. I've already stated that my taste changed towards Buddy Rich the more I listened to Jazz that doesn't make his contribution any less meaningful. I give him much credit for keeping the big band tradition alive and well for many decades up until his passing in the late 80s. Not too many others can say this.You should buy that small group recording with Tatum and Hampton that you posted. That CD refutes any argument that buddy was not able to play subtly and quietly behind other players.
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frogmanThe Don Cherry Gato Barbieri cut you posted a short time ago with European musicians reminded me of their collaboration on Blue Note. I wonder if Gato fully embraced the free jazz movement or was it something he just dabbled in as he was coming up and developing his career. Because after 69 or 70 he pretty much discarded. That Style and I don't think he ever went back to it. you are the first person to get me to listen to an Albert Ayler piece of music completely from start to finish. I think this was because it was a standard "Summertime" which he had to stick closer to the melody. He is one artist that I never really cared for. I find his tone grating to the ear. HIs mournful , emotional quality of playing always come through but he is one of those out players I never liked.
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Glad to see that Ralph Peterson is being mentioned and posted I think Schubert posted him first. One of my favorite drummers who has carved himself out a great career as a leader and also a sideman. He just put out a tribute album to Art Blakey. It's Ralph Peterson and the messenger Legacy it's up on YouTube I'm going to try to post it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcyEJdIpaLQ |
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pjwJust saw your post about your father's wartime experience and aftermath it was quite moving. They say" war is hell", I believe only those who have been there know the full meaning of that phrase. I was glad to hear that he made a recovery although I'm sure it was not easy. Thankfully he steered you away from any military endeavors. I do not always agree with the wars we get involved in but I always respect and honor those who serve.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhvWZ62oVXg mary_joGreat statement " you are not talking about the one who escalated the war in Vietnam are you" in response to the describing Lyndon Johnson as the person who did the most for blacks. I noticed no response to that!! O10 - I agree with most of your sociological statements. The politicians in control of this country pit individuals against each other with labels like liberal and conservative and the general population falls for it. meanwhile the rich and large corporations control this country Lock Stock & Barrel. The rich get richer and the poor and the middle class get drunk. your example of your example of President Kennedy helping blacks that you personally knew was a good one. He was probably the first president to push for civil rights and had he lived he probably would have been the one to sign the Civil Rights bill. Why can't others accept that? |
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schubertI can't remember this version by Cables being posted before. Nice rendition, yes Cable's solo has intensity yet the tempo remains slow enough to remain true to the song. Liked Hart's brush work.
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pryso nice to hear from you again. Wishing you well regarding your health, enjoy your new place. Don't be a stranger!!
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that VSOP 1986 video with Joe Henderson was great. Intense solos. "Eye of the hurricane" indeed!! Do you or anyone know if that group was recorded and has a CD available?
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mary_jo you hit a homerun for me with that Pepper Adams song. Thanks!!
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Lizz Wright is terrific. Loving the cuts everyone posted. How did you di scover her? |
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I think George Cables was Art's Last piano player if I'm not mistaken.
I can attest to the fact that Arts biography straight Life Is For Real so to Mary_jo I recommended reading..
I remember Art saying.. in the bio that as a jazz artist you needed both technical facility and emotional expression. If someone had one or the other but not both it would not make it. I think in his early career or technical facility was more prevalent and after living a life of drama is emotional expression took over and came out through his horn!! |
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Not sure where you read the comparison between Eddie Higgins and Bill Evans? I have at least 10 albums by Higgins and really like him but I agree with Frogman that Higgins touch and sound is similar to Evans but his improvisational solos to me are much different. Higgins stays a little closer to the original Melody while Evans usually spins out lyrical lines and stretches out more harmonically. I haven't listened to frogman Evans Higgins Cuts but will do so when I get a chance.
I will post some cuts from the Chick Corea Trio album when I get a chance. It's a great chance to see Corea and who knows how long he'll be performing. |
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Just wanted to mention that Chick Corea is doing a Piano Trio concert at the Patchogue theater on Main Street on October 25th Friday night. It is his working group with Christian McBride on bass and Brian blade on drums. They recorded a triple CD set in 2014 which I own and is very good. My friend and I have seats in the seventh row dead center. There are still excellent seats available but they're a little pricey 69 to 89 dollars. Thought you might be interested:www.patchoguetheatre.org |
pjwThe song "Old Man" by Lizz Wright is available on an album titled "Dreaming Wide Awake" on Amazon.
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frogmanI listened to your posts of "You Must Believe In Spring" by Evans / Higgins. It pretty much proved the points that we discussed.Eddie Higgins story: from an interview he did about 15 years ago Higgins revealed that he was offered the piano chair in the Jazz Messengers band back around 1960. He told Art Blakey he wanted to think about it for a day. Higgins at the time had a regular Jazz gig where he lived and a family including two young kids to support. He was torn between the great exposure and the opportunity to play with Blakey and the other top Jazz Messengers. But he was also concerned about fitting in with the band as he did not even drink or smoke and most of the band members were hard drugs users. He also had heard that when the band got paid the drug connection got paid first, then the hotel bill was paid and if there is anything left over the guys in the band were paid.Since his Kids were young and he had a family to support he didn't want to go out on the road.
He decided to turn it down and Art Blakey was surprised.
I know you live I know you live in Upstate New York but this may be Chick Corea his only appearance in this area I'm not sure of his itinerary. I thought you might be interested.
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schubert I am really enjoying all these Lizz Wright posts. I am a little disappointed because when I went to search her recording output I have not found a jazz oriented CD. I was looking for another Jazz singer but I'm not sure that's the direction her recording career has taken. She's so good I still might buy one of her other CDs. If anyone finds anything she has done in the Jazz field let me know.
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alex don't feel bad the same thing happens to me sometimes. the forum moves too fast for me to catch up!!The cuts I posted for Don Friedman were from Oliver Nelson's "More Blues and the Abstract Truth. as a habit I check my music videos to see that they will open prior to posting so I know they were good here. Don't understand why they were blocked maybe it's a legal thingI will post more Don Friedman playing later when I have time Fred Katz was a cellist who was in Chico Hamilton's group from the late 50s. Is Frogman thinking that was the guy you posted?
BTW--- Don Friedman studied and play classical music until he was 15 so if you hear classical influences it's understandable. I'm not a classical fan so I would have nothing to compare it to.
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frogmanI listen to all three Fred Kaz cuts & I would have to agree his compositions were more interesting then his solo playing. Didn't seem from his bio that he pursued a Jazz career. if you get a chance to listen to the Bobby Henderson Cuts Alex posted I was wondering what style he was playing in. It's old school I wasn't sure if it was stride?
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pjw the date the date you referenced with Lee Morgan and wayne shorter together are both on a cd twofer I purchased many years ago on mosaic records. When I pull them out and looked at the credits Eddie Higgins name did not appear. That's where I got confused because I thought both Lee Morgan and Wayne shorter played with him together. Apparently he did separate dates with Lee Morgan and Wayne shorter that he referred to as being a major boost to his career
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frogmanThat Wayne shorter date you posted with Eddie Higgins must be the one that he referred to in the interview I quoted. It seems like a nice Straight Ahead Bebop date. Most of my Eddie Higgins material is from later in his career so discovering the earlier a dates is great. Eddie Higgins also mentioned that he played and recorded a lot with Al Gray who became a good friend of his.
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Hiromi- what can I say an amazing talen!! I have mostly heard her in a Funky Jazz context and so was blown away by the cut you posted.
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I know from reading about John Coltrane that he was a spiritual man. It is very obvious in his playing which seems to come from a higher power.I have It reversed regarding Coltrane and Rollins. This is not a ranking of their talents but at this point in my life I much prefer Sonny Rollins over Coltrane but greatly admire both.The cuts posted by acman 3 were all good especially the contribution of McCoy Tyner . But it seem like I recognize these songs from previous albums. Was there anything new on this latest Coltrane release?
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acman3Thanks for the article John coltrane's new blue world set. And the music also
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frogmanSpeaking of players who sound better as leaders I'll refer you back to a you posting of yours of the first meeting between Stan Getz and Bill Evans recorded on Verve. this album was not released till after Stan Getz died in the early 90s. I am quoting this information from his biography that I am currently reading. The author stated that both Stan and Evans privately stated they where not happy with their playing and did not want the music issued. getz had veto power so the session was issued without his permission after he died. the author said Stan played like his usual self but Evans was tentative possibly due to the Rhythm Section.
I had listened to several cuts prior to reading this and enjoyed them but went back to listen to the album after reading this and I could hear that Evans did play tentatively not spinning out his usual lyrical lines. I think there are three interesting points of observation:1) the pressures that artist(s) put upon themselves to achieve a higher level of playing. And the fact that two great artists were getting together they both expected great music to be produced.2) although they may not have been at the top of their game we both enjoyed the pairing and the music produced despite the fact that they may not have raised each other to a higher level.3) the session was produced by Creed Taylor. He also included coltrane's drummer and 2 bass players ,Ron Carter and Richard Davis at different sessions and maybe thought the pairing of thesegiants would be a super session. Although well-intentioned it may not have worked out that way.
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orpheus10 Charles Mingus always got the best out of his side men that is what made him such a great leader. Debating whether someone has a better Jazz performance as a leader or sideman could be endless. I'm sure we could all come up with instances of great performances in both. Seems like an exercise in futility.
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I admire your concern and compassion for others and your concern about societal issues and political problems.
To be quite honest I come to this forum not to discuss politics but to get away from it. Schubert had some good comments but I'll leave it at that.I think change is possible but the will of the people has to be strong. I also feel this is for the Young who should get involved because they shall inherit this mess. at this stage of your life you should be looking for peace of mind and I know that's not always easy ,but that's my advice.
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