Jazz for aficionados

pjwas I did more research on red Garland it becomes apparent that his boxing career is confusing. Another site quotes him as being a semi-professional  and yet another site said he was a professional and had 35 fights as an unranked lightweight fighter!!. so confusion Reigns on the internet. I am going with your theory that he was an amateur that never turned Pro.

pjwArchie Moore was the longest reigning Light-Heavyweight champion who did not get a title shot until he was 36!! George Foreman took his style of fighting (peek-a-boo) and Moore trained George when he made his comeback.You were right about Tyson. A bit of a bully ,most guys who fought him were too defensive and lost before they stepped into the ring(worst example was Michael Spinks) .
I could talk boxing all day and night but back to jazz:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSZgYdg4u-Y 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQqGyMO27h0

mary_jo
I am not taking your bet but must think Alex is either very busy or did not like the show .I miss Schubert's contributions also. Hope he comes back.

pjwSo it sounds like L Thompson may have been an influence on J Carter. I wonder if James has discussed in any interviews who his influences were?

pjwI had to go to Discogs to find "All Morning Long" at a reasonable price and also found Red Garland's "Hi Pressure".with Coltrane and Byrd. Are you familiar with that disc? Is it good?

frogmanThat is some connection you found. The  tempo is speeded up for Milestones and a few notes are added but it is too similar to be a coincidence. But borrowing  a simple add on intro  and taking a song written by someone else and taking credit for it are two different things.
Not giving Bill Evans credit for writing "Blue In Green" not only robs him 0f royalties but the esteem for having written a major jazz standard performed by countless others for over a half century.
My question is :If this is true why didn't Evans sue to have his name put on the song? Did he leave the physical evidence in the studio and had nothing to show as proof? Did he consult a lawyer? Maybe he was naive and did not think his work would be claimed by another? Certainly
he wrote mainy other great standards but none so simple and beautiful as BIG,

This ones for you you posted this sax player last week. Here on this cd  he is with  other top notch musicians playing standards:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NG2_JtXc7T0

pjwInteresting I'll have to check their records. And both Charles and Archie Moore lost in  heavyweight bouts to my favorite fighter Rocky Marciano.I have heard of Charley Burley but only read a little bit about him. I'm currently reading a biography of James J Corbett. I'll check out those other titles you listed.

pjwThe box set "Side Steps" is still available for $35 !!. I checked out the listing on Amazon and it seems like a bargain.Since I did not order "All Morning Long" yet I only have two titles , "Soul Junction" on lp and " Tenor Madness" on cd.

This is the only album I have for Tom Harrell but I keep going back to it often. He has surrounded himself with a group of excellent young musicians including on sax Wayne Escoffery, pianist Danny Grissett and drummer Jonathan Blake.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80TTB6ZlxNM

frogmanGood juxtaposition. Miles certainly looks mean with that scowl on his face.
I think pjw's point about Evan's addiction could be telling. Someone pursuing a heroin habit is less lilkely to have the time and energy to devote to his business circumstances.And you are right Miles was the KING back in the late 50's and who was going to challenge him?
pjw--Correct about Miles getting on his bandmates drug problems. In fact he fired Coltrane for a spell due to his unreliability and then rehired him after he weaned himself off drugs.

guys all good vids on Harrell. I have a number of older lps he did with  P Woods and submit this as one of the better ones:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FcvjRddmeOk

frogmanLike you I did not follow Harrell's career/output much after his stint with Woods until I found "Light On" . That is going to change.
pjwIf you like "Number Five" I suggest these cd's with the same group:Light  OnThe Time of The SunRoman NightsI know you like  Jimmy Greene check out Harrell's Live at the Village Vanguard it also features Xavier Davis on piano.
Also "Infinity"'  w/ guitar , M Turner on sax , J Blake on drums , no piano
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ojmh44P7PY 
 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JpvWq9r2W-M

I take that back. It is from KOB but it's not so what. All Blues

frogmanThat intro is "so what" from KOB.  what's interesting is how the ryhthm section keeps playing the motif as Phil's play starts to play his solo.

frogmanI corrected myself Right away before I saw your post. Maybe that base line did fool me at first.  but I listen to The Melody of so what in my head and said no that's not it. A quick process of elimination and then after  hearing The Melody of all Blues in my head I said definitely All Blues.

I found this piano player on youtube that I really like. He made a CD entitled bedtime story which covers a lot of Herbie Hancock Tunes. He does sound like he channeled Herbie H.  a lot but I still think his improvisations are so very fresh and different. Does anybody else know him and has he done other good work/ recordings?I put my money where my mouth is and bought a copy of bedtime stories even though it was pricey.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5UGgwuExQtE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEXZvLgPto8

 

acman3  thanks for the vid posts on B Childs career.  a nice cross-section showcasing his talents. This guy has been around for a long time and I can't believe I've never heard of him .
 especially good was the live cut from the Italy concert.   the cut moved at a torrid pace with sizzling solos from everybody!!. Child's comping  was excellent, sometimes prodding The soloist and sometimes following him.

pjw

Two other Bill Evans solo recordings you may want to check out are both titled Alone . One was recorded in 1968 and I featured several cuts from it here. The  second recording was recorded in 1975 and is available on YouTube. I prefer Evans in a trio setting but these recordings do you have value for their sensitive and intimate playing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEyvjHuMR4E
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcgdvP2bBVU
 

I found a Michel Legrand LP in my collection titled " After the Rain" with both Phil Woods and Zoot Sims on saxophone.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNHnhqTQxx4 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIvyiPjGYrA

frogmanMonks Jagged and angular Rhythm as you referred to it is what set his music apart from anyone else's and is instantly recognizable. And as you say Charlie Rouse got it due to the fact that he stuck keenly to this rhythmic pattern. Whereas  Johnny Griffin just did his own thing rhythmically altering the unique   Style of Monk's Tunes

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjfoeS8PKEK

frogman
Your post of Round Midnight. By Bill Evans reminded me of an album I've been listening to lately by his great bassist Eddie Gomez entitled Palermo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zy59GYLbGV8 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYrvwe4nVcg

alexThanks for your Harold land postings I have all those albums except the carmel Jones which is going to change. I know you're posted him before I like his playing although he's not well known.
Regarding the A Cohen concert it sounds like you have mixed feelings. Were you not that familiar with his music and were  expecting something different?Modern jazz players not all but many do not write songs in the same way as previous jazz artists of an earlier generation. Many artists today don't use the blues form , either Not Having learned it or not wanting to use it as a vehicle for musical expression. Many modern artists also do not write Tunes with a lot of chord changes that set up melodies that are memorable .  today's players tend to use less chords and keep the melody simple so that when they improvise they have a free range to go in whatever Direction they want to. Also some groups do not follow the format of playing a Melody at the beginning of the song and then having each player do an improvisation for certain number of choruses. 
Sometimes the players are  improvising together either two or three at a time. 
I did listen to 3 songs so far of Cohen's album continuo which pjw posted. I find what I just said pertains to this album which I do find very engaging. But I don't think the Melodies are memorable but the band does play very tight and has excellent musicianship.I find that music outside of  a certain comfort zone can be difficult to comprehend but if given the chance one may find an appreciation in the different language Expressed.It is all about the journey if you find something new and different that you like that's great if not maybe the next time. Happy listening!!

frogman I love Hampton Hawes he's one of my favorite pianists. Pretty much a self-taught player, he  is an excellent blues player  who can play it any Tempo and never seems to run out of ideas . Hawes was in jail on a heroin sentence when he wrote a letter to then President Kennedy and was the second to last person pardoned by President Kennedy before he was assassinated. Hawes went back to recording for contemporary records and his output for that label is my favorite. Thanks for the posting of the for real album which I don't have and will probably purchase.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9rUZr6KqoM

Alex I am also interested in how & when you obtained your collection? Being from another country I was wondering how are you obtain information on different jazz artists and what sources  can you hear music? Jazz magazines , song Play on radio, television, internet radio, YouTube? Also are there stores where you can into and browse  music or did you have to order everything by mail?

http://www.chicagoreader.com/chicago/john-wright-piano-jazz-south-side-soul-prestige-gathering/content?oid=1499599

orpheus10
Above is an article on John Wright's  I think you'll enjoy. Thanks for posting him again I just bought a CD set encompassing four of his albums.John remained very popular in Chicago and true to his roots there until the end of his life.With regards to Alex purchase of  music I don't believe he purchased these titles when they originally came out. I think that the internet and it's information and places like YouTube and others where people can be exposed to music led him to find the Jazz titles he now has.  but of course until he weighs in on the subject we will not know.

BTW
The Kenny dorham caught hosted by pjw with Sonny Rollins "La Villa"Comes from an album title jazz contrasts originally on Riverside by Kenny dorham. Title listed on YouTube is" Kenny dorham" which I believe is incorrect. I have the album on a vinyl reissue twofer titled "but beautiful"

pjw you posted a cut from Jackie McClean's Action recently. Are you aware of the album It's Time by McLean which was recorded a little over a month earlier than Action?  it has a slightly different excellent lineup Charles Tolliver& Cecil McBee play on both albums. Herbie Hancock is on the piano & Roy Haynes takes the drum chair.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVl5G-gxndM 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AiqwsUus-XU

orpheus10
Glad you enjoyed the article it was quite extensive and a nice tribute to John Wright. I wholeheartedly agree with your assessment that the music of a time and place is as important in defining that time as any pictures or words maybe even more so. Your memories  and stories relating music two different places and times are always interesting keep them coming!!
 I hope when I receive my John Wright CD and listen to his music that I can capture some of the atmosphere and feeling  of the time& place .
 Obviously I can't come close to your experience as you lived it which makes it so much more special.
 with regards to your  experience with Miles Davis it must have been quite a culture shock. I've read that Legions of fans dropped Miles Davis when he went into his Jazz Rock thing.But miles knew what he was doing he picked up a lot of new fans with the style of music he created at the end of the 60s.   I discovered Miles the opposite of you by first listening to bitches Brew in 1974 . Of course having been exposed to rock music up until this point I thought it was interesting and quite different. When I discovered his earlier work a few years later I was really blown away.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7aQN6ozACk8
I  will say a prayer for the return of your good health.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpeVxr9zAyo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUownIXdOyE orpheus10 & pjw
 you are cuts you are cuts from several Duke Pearson items in my collection that I think you'll enjoy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYIds0OBPCs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GPPAluXs10 
Kinda mixed up the cuts guys sorry.
O-10 enjoyed your Miles Davis stories interesting that someone knew him as a child. If he was running around trying to learn something at that young age and music was in his blood. And brain.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8n2C9ybcjEQ orpheus10
Miles Davis song "So What" is probably the title most identified with him. Every time I hear this song I just think about how fresh it sounds. I don't think about 1959 or any other year. The song is absolutely timeless to me. It sets a mood that defines jazz although putting it into words is actually more difficult then the perception when you listen.
I also miss shopping at record stores and going through bins of vinyl records searching for new artists at discount prices. When you were paying two to $5 per album it was easy to take a shot at a new artist
to see if you liked him

 you asked for some Jackie Mclean so here goes. With Donald Byrd
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uuVDpta66C4 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ak8i6tW80Mg 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78qOiRzAFUY

AlexOur  music buying experiences are somewhat  similar. For many years I shopped in small stores that had good jazz selections and also consulted the all music guide for artists.  I also did a lot of mail order and read reviews downbeat and Jazz Time magazine's. Anytime anyone placed an ad for selling music in these magazines I got on their mailing list. There was also a monthly  magazine called Cadence which was devoted to All Things jazz including interviews reviews and they also sold music. when all of when all of these things dried up I turn to Amazon and my cable TV jazz station.  and also now to this forum which has been a big help. I know you feel you are I know you feel you are stuck in a certain time zone regarding jazz preferences but I can assure you that many new Young Jazz musicians are playing in the style which I believe you like and I will continue to post those artists and hopefully you can find something you like.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIpRFVwnIeA  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GWOyHYXCiM

pjwGlad you like Grand Stewart. Around the corner is on my short list of his CDs to buy. The first CD of his I purchased was a set of covers of Ellington and strayhorn tunes title Grant Stewart plays the music of Duke Ellington and Billy strayhorn:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLFmf2jbZ8 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgPJO1uT6F8 
BTW- not sure if you noticed but he's sounds similar to Sonny Rollins which is one of the reasons  I really like his style. I'm not the first one to say that as I also read it in one of the interviews of one of his CDs. I also own his CDs in the Still of the Night, live at Smalls, and Planet jazz. Haven't had a chance to listen to them will comment/ post when I do.

rok
Dee Dee's bluesy "Hound Dog"  put Elvis'  version to shame.

acman3
enjoyed  the Masada book of Angel cuts. My one Masada CD "Eight" never received much play time but I like this group lineup and songs you posted. Might buy.

pjw
there is a special place in Hell reserved for Jimmy Page.

orpheus10
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVr3h2KdBWk

Orpheus10There  has been a number



of  Mingus  tribute bands. Here's some samples from things that I own
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mL1bnw6dLS4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ro4xlAJOAU



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtLppaiIBDk

rok" the International sweethearts of rhythm" was a nice little slice of jazz history. The person who posted the video  seems to indicate there were numerous all-female bands  back at that time . Did Ken Burns forget to cover them in his PBS Jazz series? Or did I just miss that segment. I am guessing that these ladies got together out of necessity as none of them were probably offered positions in the male-dominated Bands of that era.

orpheus10The saxophonist on the Mingus big band cut you posted was Seamus Blake, one of
the new younger artists that I posted recently. Here is something elsehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DoFB1G05z1I

orpheus10
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zht6IcoJ9C0

Talkin about it let's give everybody a chance to listen to it. Stanley Turrentine Freddie Hubbard live in concert CTI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXRS6Xptlaw

pjw
R.I.P Alvin Lee
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7muWJUHsJbw 
Hope rok is not offended by us posting another white guy playing the blues.lol

acman3
+1 "Gitanet"

rokSorry to hear that. Hope it was just a safety feature of your amps to protect them.  maybe you can name these speaker wires so we could avoid them. Or is the music so damn good you just can't avoid turning it up!!  hope you have a backup amp?

rokExcellent.

pjw
FWIW- I listen to the first three cuts on the Freddie Hubbard Stanley Turrentine CTI in concert video and I somewhat agree with mayoradam west.   the Rhythm Section was tight but I found the solos to be a lot of noodling, repetitive, a lack of direction or coherence IMO.

pjw
Jackie Mclean  did a lot of recording as I am sure you are aware in the 50s /60s.  one of the main reasons was he lost his Cabaret license in New York due to a drug conviction.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B373SM8Y-aU 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTYfiFsGYls 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKEqvb1EQF8


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbqjV_eo9do

acman3Right!! I remember now he mentioned it as his favorite.