With my Spendor sp 1/2e's, I had them toed in directly at me, so I could just see the inside edge of the speaker and the cross section was just behind my head. I had them as far apart as I could at about 8-9 feet, I was 9 ft back. My new Vandersteen 3a's are, according the set up manual, not supposed to be toed in at all. I found this to give a very unnatural soundstage, and the detail suffered. I toe them in directly, just like the spendors. I had read that a direct toe-in involves the room less. But I still play with them from time to time.