Dave, you are guys also helped me. It is too bad that others could not make it.
I only wish that I could go back to my system in the early 1970s when I thought it was outstanding and close to realism. I suspect that I would be delighted to return to what I have now. |
Glory, try the Cable Company. |
Mapman, your posts are an example of GIGO. |
Mapman, And I am of the opinion that I cannot achieve the results I'm getting with digital signal processing. |
I recently asked if the HFC power cords were more efficient than the typical ones. |
Ddraudt, My new URR pc is on my dac now. It is not quite what Frank's was here, but is getting there. You didn't mention the additional information that you always get with the HFC URR power cords. This is what always amazes me. It must be there but hidden with noise with other power cords. The bass control also is unique. |
Mapman, ah, so you do think you are the shill police. LOL! |
Mapman, sorry you don't have a warrant. |
Mapman, it is always good to achieve excellence at a low cost. It is always bad to assume that cost is closely tied to excellence.
Shilling is often just a pejorative word for raving and is often used by those who want to rave about a competitive product and often, but not always, because they have a stake in that product.
Since there is no measure of excellence, there is nothing more than personally liking or not liking a product. So in reality your interjections on this thread have no benefit or utility. Mine also in posting to you have no benefit either, so have a good day. |
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Mapman, it proof is in the pudding. I've heard other cables with the magnets added haphazardly. |
Mapman, just do it and get back. |
Rlawry, with my BMC M2 amps connected to the BMC speakers, I measure 3.4 ohms. This is what I measured with my Exemplar speaker wires also. |
Geoffkait, I know what Lak is saying. I too have been in audio for a long time-since the 1960s. Each system from the first was all I could afford, and I enjoyed each. I got my first high end audio system in the early 1970s and enjoyed it greatly for over six years. I heard many other systems during the next five years including the JBL Ice Cube amp. During this time I attended CES and other shows and tried a broad range of speakers. I had Duntechs, Roger West's A1s, Linn Soundechs, Exemplar horns, Beauhorns, Avantegards, Accapellas, Altec horns, and Crowns. Each of these sounded mainly good, but all were compromises. Then realism got to be primary in my quest. Never did I think the systems sounded awful but all were deficient. |
Geoffkait, I really would love it were I able to hear my ServoStatic system versus what I have now. I doubt if the Servos sound anywhere near what I have now, although at the time, with ARC Dual 75s and 51s or Paolis on the tweeters, were among the best.
I really don't know what your point is. |
Mapman, pictures don't make sounds. |
Keithtexas, I spent some time on Google gathering information on the Mad Scientist stuff. I saw no mention of magnets anywhere. It maybe that their filter use magnets, but they say nothing to suggest they do. |
Travbrow, all I can say is that you are wrong about the impact of cables and David's system improvement. I was there when we put an addition HFC URR power cable in and heard an improvement that caused me to buy another one for myself. I also heard his system for quite some time prior to installing that new pc. It was not as dynamic as mine, but nevertheless, it was quite good sounding, especially considering that he had borrowed amp and speakers.
You are whistling into the wind if you say that cables cannot be as important as other components, and I am talking about power cords as well as ics and sws. |
Travbrow, all I can say is that you are wrong about the impact of cables and David's system improvement. I was there when we put an addition HFC URR power cable in and heard an improvement that caused me to buy another one for myself. I also heard his system for quite some time prior to installing that new pc. It was not as dynamic as mine, but nevertheless, it was quite good sounding, especially considering that he had borrowed amp and speakers.
You are whistling into the wind if you say that cables cannot be as important as other components, and I am talking about power cords as well as ics and sws. |
Ddraudt, I spent some time today looking for information about Kiethtexas' Mad Scientist cables and found nothing about magnets. I have known of others who say that they have experimented with magnets but all are minimal efforts relative to what HFC is doing.
On new stuff from HFC, yes I'm anxious to hear to new cheaper power cord. |
Keithtexas, I get nowhere with any of your websites. But it is not important. |
Travbrow, You ask, "Wouldn't it be a shame to get caught up in the cable game thinking its so important from reading hyperbole on the net and neglect the things that matter more?" One would alway be a fool to pay much attention to what others, who you don't know, have to say.
You also suggest that a "top quality integrate amp" would be best. Of course, but one of this quality is hard to fine. Also in all probability none can rival the best line stage with the best amps.
All that I can advise you is to avoid listening to the HFCables and power cords.
Anyone who does optimize their speakers and who expects much will always be dissatisfied. I have at last found a room treatment that really works. This is after trying probably 20 different ones. I have also owned 27 different speaker systems. |
Geoffkait, as you know I've have been down the path to virtually every tweak as I think I must have been one of the first the try your Teleport tweak.
Now with my dependence on a music server and playing double DSD for everything from cd ripped to it to double DSD recorded music. I use a special TEAC optical reader to bridge the act of ripping. I can say several things about what I observe using this reader.
First is that my FIM cd mat doesn't work on the TEAC. The transport accelerates so fast that the mat loses it contact with the cd. Second although I have an AudioDesk cd trimmer and had found that trimming on both sides is better than on one side, and that painting the edge with either green or black worked, all of this is lost when I am ripping to the hard drive. I also own a Nespa light treatment that also had a effect when I used cd players, but not with a music server. I will also note that the ESata cables from the transport to the raid drive great affect the information on the hard drive and from it to the dac. |
Ddraudt, I think you know that I was overwhelmed by the improvements I heard also. I was glad you were able to make it. Were it only true that other manufacturers to really devote research into improved grounding of their units, we all could hear what we heard here. Furthermore I suspect in eight weeks or so, we might hear much greater improvement. |
Deweyiii, I'm going to try that from the wall to my HFC Waveguide power center tomorrow. It will be replacing a HFC URR pc. |
Knghifi, it is better than some of the other quality cables I've tried it against but will not replace my HFC URR pc. I'm still trying it against other in this location as well as in other parts of my system. |
Knghifi, I noticed that you are selling your HiDiamond P3 Power Cables. Did they not equal the HFC pcs? Have you said anything about these pcs? |
Kzhtoo, you sound as though you look forward to comparing the three. I hate to compare power cords almost as much as comparing cartridges. Let us know what you find. |
Jmcgrogan2, one does hope that we are moving forward, but in my 27 different speakers there were some changes that I took which sent me up back waters. Buying the Infinity Quantum Line Sources after having their ServoStatis is but one such experience.
It strikes me that speakers are typically the worst examples as they are all compromises. |
Jmcgrogan2, I too am at the highest percentage in non-basic components since hearing HFC and Tripoint.
Mapman, obviously there are no measures, but one can hear the decay of notes, precisely locate the performers, hear the ambiance of the hall or studio, and hear human presence with their lips, shuffling, fingering the basses and horns.
There is scientific evidence that humans are aware of ultra high frequencies even if their brain show no auditory awareness. Michael Fremer posted about this article which I knew of some time ago. But on my system you can hear the decay of notes when the HFCs are used and not with other cables I have.
I am not posting to convince you, merely to give my take. Doubt it at your peril for all I care. But if you want proof come to my house and hear it. |
Mapman, You are all over the map. "A bunch of meaningless hyperbole" becomes
"...no doubt it sounds very good." |
Jmcgrogan2, my first CT-1 and CT-1Es were from the Cable Company and I was told the CT-1 was well broken in and the CT-1E not. Perhaps this is the explanation. But when the CT-1Es, a full loom, were broken in for nearly a month only then did they have the top end of the CT-1 IMHO.
What I observed was that the Enhanced, Ultimate, and Ultimate Reference cables each took longer and longer time to break in. I have heard many great sounding cables but only the HFCs have the top ends that lend realism to music reproduction. |
I have two HFC CT-1 power cords. When they had broken in a while, I heard the top end extension that is so characteristic of HFC. This characteristic sets them apart from other power cords in my experience and makes a comparison very difficult.
In my case, having six of the URR power cords that are clearly better and provide the ultra sense of being at the recording venue makes me unavailable for the CT-1 use. I might wish that they were available when I bought the fifth and sixth URR pc.
I suspect that those with experience with what HFC brings to the table will love the CT-1s. Since I think the HFC pcs have greater impact than do the ics and speaker wires, other might want to make the CT-1s their first excursion with HFC. I should also note that the CT-1 are much easier to install, having no waveguide in the middle. |
Snook2, I hear no difference between 1 m. and 1.5 m. |
Ddraudt, and you can hear a CT-1 next weekend. |
Geoffkait, I feel that way out in far western north New Mexico. It is fortunate as there is no electricity anywhere here. |
Calloway, lest I be misunderstood on the CT-1s let me speak of more recent experiences. I had two non-HFC cables on my raid system and driving my turntable. Surprisingly and clearly the HFC CT-1 in both cases gave superior performance. Noise on the ac line even that remaining after the HFC Waveguide power center, harms performance.
I was glad that someone without broad experience with the HFC URR power cord and an open mind reported their experiences. |
Calvinj, you are welcomed to drive down. DFW is about a 3.5 hour away. I think you are close to FW so I guess I35W is your route. |
Calvinj, In late June, we will be going to New Mexico where we might stay through September. This is to escape Texas heat. We are selling our little home there. If it were sold early this summer, we would, of course, not be going. |
Calvinj, I agree with Rick that more magnets are always better than fewer. The only real limit is how much you might pay as they are costly to assemble and to buy the rare earth magnets. Obviously, a meter long set of wave guides with plugs at the end would be the limit. |
Calloway, I too have spent a lot of late and dearly wish I was done, but Rick keeps pushing the boundaries as do the people at Star Sound, and now I have H-Cat back in the picture. |
Calloway, lightening is a very perverse force. I had it hit one of my water heaters just above where I was about to step from my car. I was only about fifteen feet from where we had a very large water oak. It started a small flame on the gas pipe to the water heater which fortunately faced away from any wood or boxes.
My system was on at the time and only about six feet away on the other side of the wall. It was totally unaffected which I think was the result of the Audio Standard ac filter I was using at the time. I now worry about the Tripoint grounding unit as well as other components and remove both when storms are around.
Most of the large trees in my yard are now gone after the draught of 2011, so we are now sitting ducks. |
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Ghosthouse, I think unpredictable is really the proper word. I was on a doctoral committee once where the US Army was paying a guy to get his doctorate. He was seeking to achieve the best prediction of weather in Iran to deliver supplies so that missions would not venture out when predictions were averse. He raised correct predictions to 3% accurate and the meteorologists were amazed.
In my research explaining 3% of the variance is worthless. If we could predict how only 3% of voters voted, whether 3% of adults would vote, whether 3% of states providing more money to improve education, etc., we would be failures. |
Ddraudt, I hear everything is running smoothly. We will be back on about the 7th. I'm anxious to hear the new H-Cat X-10 with all the purification of the HFC, Star Sound, and Tripoint and room. |
Ddraudt, is the HF pc that with the long waveguides as in the Waveguide power center? If so, I don't think I can use more as they would pull components off my racks. |
Lak, long ago I bought five 18KVA cracked high voltage isolators from a store called the isolator store in Iowa or Nebraska. They are heavy. I support the waveguides of my URR speaker wires on them as well as the URRH pcs to components on the top shelves.
I found that the man who ran Rightway Audio was right that one isolator should be between the floor whether bare wood or carpet. I would say that a wooden rack used as you do to hold the waveguides up would be okay and much better than a metal one, but a ceramic isolator would be better.
On the single isolator versus multiple set, I was at a manufacturer's home where he had three isolator rings on each speaker wire. I asked if I might change to only one. He said yes. I had to put the one on speaker stand under each wire with one isolator on top. When we turned the music on he and another listener were very impressed. He said had I not heard it, I would not have believed it!
Glazed ceramic is the best isolator. |
Ddraudt, perhaps someday, I can get more Rhythms and try Them on ceramics under them. I find the isolation much more important although I have vibration controls under my HFC speaker wires on top of the big isolators.
I wish I could find devices such as the Audio Points that were great isolators. Since the power coated shelves of the Rhythm shelves mean they isolate the components, I am not confident that static electric doesn't reach the components. |
Calvinj, I will be backin TX next week. For a system with no HFC, no Star Sound, and no Tripoint my system here sounded quite good. I'm anxious to hear the new Hcat amp & pre in my big system. |
Ptss, so I guess you are leaving? |
