Glanz moving magnet cartridges

Dear Dgob, Are you mad at MM thread? To my knowledge the
stylus and the cantilever by Acutex 420 are pretty good
so I assume that one or the other was broken? Or deed you
order by Axel the 'exotic' beryllium or boron cantilever and
Gyger 2 stylus? Otherwise I dont't understand what Axel could improve on.

Regards,

Dear Raul, there is no way to avoid distortions with any pivoted tonearm. The choice is between 'less distortion' at the end of the record or the 'average distortion' across
the record. From the choice made one can not deduce that one 'likes' whatever kind of distortion.

Dear Henry, I know for sure that Dertonarm uses the FR-66/ FR- 7 (kinds) for a long time as his reference. He can hear all kinds of carts by his friends Thuchan and Syntax without the need to buy any (other) for himself. We may assume that he adjusted his FR-66 optimal relative to the FR-7 models he owns. This means that the cart 'prescribed' the geometry. Or, which is the same, Ikeda 'perscribed' the geometry for for both of his constructions. However you may be 'like Nikola' (aka 'sick') but you are certainly not like Dertonarm. With + 20 carts you are 'forced' to follow the geometry of your FR-7 /FR 66 combo for all other carts you may use with the FR-66.In my former post I made explicit restriction to the FR-64. Speaking about our common 'sickness'. I am crazy (= sickness) about the tonearms and more in particular about the FR-64. To me the most beautiful tonearm ever made. But I don't like the FR-66 in esthetical sense and that is why I never owned one. To defend myself I prefer other kinds of 'arms'.

Regards,

Dear Raul, the adding up 'theory' leeds to infinite regress.
What are we supposed to do with 'distortions' that we
are not able to hear? Whatever componets we own
the unknown one may have 'less distortion'. How are we
supposed to get the right unknown component of any kind?
My friend Henry just spend a huge amount of money for the
'right cables' and then hear from you that he likes some
peculiar kinds of distortions ,probale caused by the wrong
tonearm geometry. Ie Stivenson. And then to think that
by drilling a hole which is only 1,5 mm larger he could
adjust his both FR tonearms also for Bearwald.

Regards,

Dear Henry, There is this notion about the 'reduction of complexity'. Our brain already select between 'long'- and 'short term' data and also devide our actions in 'routine' and 'conscious'. I divided my 'just listening to the music' , as you put it, from my 'messing' with the componets by installing two separate systems. In my living
room there is the 'constant' Kuzma Stabi Reference with Triplanar and the Reed 2 A both with fast headshells by which I seldom change anything. To satisfy my 'messing
needs' I installed an second system im my bedroom with the
SP-10 , FR-64 and Lustre 801 , both with exchangable headshells. Because I deed this only recently and descovered, as you predicted, the joy of 'messing' with
3 carts in one single day, I spend at present the most time in my bedroom... However when the 'sickness' is cured I intend to 'return' to my listening room . The precondition (for the cure)is : don't buy any cart anymore.
BTW regarding the FR-66. I don't like the dimensions but I understand that an architect loves 'huge projects'.

Regards,

Dear Raul, you must be also clairvoyant because you
are obviously capable to judge my 'system' without any knowledge
about the components involved. Besides I own
two systems so I should ask to which one are your referring?
My living room system consist of Kuzma Stabi Reference with
Triplanar VII / Benz Ruby 3s and the Reed 2A / Krell 100
(aka Miyabi Standard). The amp is ASR Emitter II Exclusive , the phono-pre Basis Exclusive (2010 model) and Usher BE 20 speakers. My second system is more modest but there I have two tonearms with detachable headshells such that I can test carts in a easy way. The TT is Sp 10 mkII with your SAEC mat , the amp. is the Maranz PM 8000 ,the phono-pre Jasmin LP2 and the speakers Jamo Concert 8. On this system I was not able to hear much difference between my both Virtuoso's but well the difference between this 'American' Miyabi and all other carts. That is the reason that this cart is 'promoted' to the Reed 2A and substituted the Phase Tech P 3 G which is also an exceptional cart. This means to me that one can hear or 'detect' an exceptional cart also in a modest system. I am in this hobby for more than 40 years and think to know what is important and what not but also willing to learn. But I prefer your advice based on listing to your own system than your advice based on quess work about
my or Henry's 'system'. BTW both of us are testing all those MM carts in order to select the best one and 'promote' them to the main system. Ie we are not testing those carts as a separate hobby.

Regards,

Dear Raul, You are allowed to 'touch' both my systems as
you like but not my Aussie friend. He owns + 20 MM carts,
wants to 'switch over' to the real music as soon as possible and is also not known as a patient person. Well I know for sure that by all NOS carts the patience is a necessary condition for at least 30 hours 'burn in' time or , which is the same, to allow the suspension to 'accommodate'. It would be cruel to ask or expect such patience from Henry. This than is the obvious explanation for his 'refusal' to mess with AT 20SS or the highest ranked Signet. One also need to add Herr Professor as an added reason...

Regards,

Dear Henry, The Dutch are very fond of silence in the sense of enjoyment. After more than 40 years in this country I still have no idea what they enjoy. But if you are like the Dutch you should enjoy the silence at present.
I hope that this kind of enjoyment is not addictive???However if this become true I am interested in those '155 cl' styli; all 4 of them.

Regards,

Dear Banquo, I was glad to hear that Henry agrees with
me about the silence. While I put my question about those
155 lc styli in a conditional form his answer was such that
I don't believe that we agree about what friendship means.
You however made clear to know what friendship means so
I hope that Henry agrees with you. Anyway his argument is
demolished by yours. BTW thanks for the support. The
fact that those styli are available 'here' is something different:
I don't expect such a price from a friend.

Regards,

Dear Dgob, I assume everybody is interested but you forget
to mention that this one is without the stylus.

Dear Banquo, While I am not able to understand the Dutch
preference for silence I do understand their income policy.
To put it short: those who have 'more' pay for those who
have 'less'. This is the same as the 'transfer' of a part
of welth to the less fortunate. I don't believe that this
policy is based on Aristotle because he also wrote some
other 'ethical' prescriptions: 'how should we treat our
slaves'. It is of course possible that he had a friend
among his slaves but this 'onother self' is difficult to imagine as being glad to be slave for the sake of his friend. While Aristotle was the 'father' of logic he was obviously confused about the identity relationship: even the twins are not identical persons. The 'onother self' invention will not do as a quide for the income distribution.
Henry's position reg. this question is the best illustration why the income police can't be based on 'onother self' but must be 'prescribed' by the state.
But more relevant for this thread is this. I own the Signet
9 cl as well as the 7e. The Signet 9cl is the most beautiful cart I have ever seen with a stylus which looks much more impressive than the one of his 'little brother' 7e. So the preference for the 7 x by Henry needs some correction in the sense of the identity question: is the 7 (whatever) with 155cl 'implant' the same object as the sincere one?
We are often seduced by our 'honourable' members to buy the
carts they recommend but without any idea about the implication. Say, one just got the 7 (whatever) for a considerable amount of money and than discovere that he need to add the 155 cl stylus. I have seen one on ebay.com and thought that +/-$240 was for the 'whole cart' but, alas, only the stylus was listed. So my idea was that those 4 by Henry are not only 'abundant' but also second hand...

Regards,

Dear Henry, 'our Baltic friend'? I thought that you and I are Slavic brothers. If however you confuse Balkans with the Slavic people there with the Baltic people than I can quess what kind of student you was. But you become architect so you abviously passed your college somehow. I myself passed math. because my dad was bank director while my math. theacher needed some loan. So no blame is intended. Regarding the carts involved. The TK 9 stylus is totally different than those of the 'lower ranking' ( pace Raul) but of those 'lower kind' all can be improved with 'your' 155 cl I think. The postfix 'E' by my Signet 7 means 'elliptical'. What 'Ea' means I have no idea but am sure that 155 cl will fit all 'lower kinds'. BTW there are no 'frindship challenges' but well jokes from both sides and even from 'some' third party with philosophical contribution of Aristoteles.

Regards,

Dear Professor, I already mentioned your remarcable memory
but if we see you as an encyclopedia you will get more emails than you can probable manage. I thought that those post fix markers like E, CL, EA, etc. refer to the stylus
kind or shape. The marker 'SU' by Signet 7 is different in
this context and I have no idea too what this marker refers. But there is obivously some disagreement between you and Henry because he uses the 155 cl as 'implant' also for this cart. I assume that the corpus or the body or the generator of the 7E and the 7SU are the same. So if the 155 cl is not suitable for my 7E why well for the 7SU? Regarding the headshells I have a specific problem. I hate to pay too much for those. There are those magnesium headshells made by Jelco (?) and sold under different names for about $50
(40 GBP on ebay.uk). To me those are 'perfect' headshells with good wiring and azimuth provisiom and +/-13 g. I bought 4 of those and own ,consequently, also 4 specimens of 'something' like my friend Henry. With the headshells from my (2x) FR 64 + Lustre 801 this means 7 (preadjusted) carts and many combinations possibilities. If I was as good in math. as Henry I would mention some numbers but alas. Anyway I don't need 'too many' of those.

Regards,

Dear Henry, You are right: in comparison with our Professor
we are 'mere mortals'. He just 'explained' to me how 'simpel' the nomenclature of AT and Signet cart is????
This reminds me of my best friend at high school who try
to convince me that mathematics is 'actually' very simpel. He had obviously no idea how insulting this opinion of his was for me. This measerable postfix 'Ea' to which I pay no
attention whatever means that I bought the worst and the oldest model 7. My euphoria as expressed with: 'My gosh I at last got one' was obviously premature. The drama is even worst because there is no way to improve the situation with the 155 LC implant which I would get for free from a friend from a developing , but big country.
Regarding my former , former Yugoslavia there is a huge comfort in the fact that only few people are architect. This kind of human kind admire only their own work and are in particular never satisfy with the work of their colleauque. As I undertand there is some kind of nostaligia for the former Yugoslavia such that a horde of Slovenian and even those damn Croats travel to Beograd for the booze (the best Sliwowitz there is) and the folk music. Nobody care about the buildings if those are not own property.

Dear Dgob, We will return to your 'thematics' as soon as anyone succeed to find any of those misterious Glanz carts.

Regards,

Dear Dgob, Your description of both of your 'love affairs'
is writen in prose but reads like a poem. The problem, or what looks like a problem is that neither of those carts is available to us, the 'mere mortals' as Henry would say.
This however is a typical pragmatic consideration in which a Dutchman would be very interested.
The other people with a more romantic inclination, like some Serbians would ask different kind of questions with no practical sense whatever.
To give you one exampel. According to Marlon Brando the most questions he got were about:' deed you do it with Marlyn Monroe and if so HOW WAS SHE?
Considering the fact that your 'poem' is about two carts would you be so kind to give us some other name for the comparison sake?

Regards,

Dear Professor& Dgob, The marking of the resp. models is on
the stylus by both: Glanz and Astatic. This may mean that
the corpus (body) or the 'generator' is the same at least by
the first three in the row. Considering the fact that
the styli are not 'astonishing' (Shibata by Astatic,line
contact by Glanz) the only explanation for their sound
difference 'must' be the cantilever. I am most intriqued
by Vetteron's 61. If he wants me to believe him he need to
post to me some pictures(grin). My, uh,'Italian connection'
is the proud owner of the box only. If Vetterone needs the
box I will be happy to ask my Italian friend for the 'treasure'.
Regards,

Dear Dgob, I am so excited with my Glanz 5 that I want
to say something about this cart despite the fact that
I am far from the needed 'break-in' time. Just 4 hours of
listening. An important part of my excitement consist
of the fact that I surpassed Vetteron's MFG 61 for which I
actually searched all this time. But I am willing
to exchange this treasure for one of his best plinths.
Anyway the cart is unbelievable dynamic, more so than my
previous 'dynamic champion' Miyabi Standard. As if the
orchestra and artist are in your listening room. The first
cart by which one can't reach the volume by which the sound
level become unbearable. Like by an real concert. The timbre
is different from all other carts I own. I will need to
accomodate to this novelty. The cart is much lighter than my
FR-7 and has its stylus at exactly the same position as the FR-7 .
But I don't believe that either is meant as Bearwald because
they 'refuse' to follow my Mint LP protractor's curve which
is made for my FR-64 S according to the Bearwald geometry.
So I need to try the original Ikeda's 'prescription'
and move the FR-64 to 230 mm pivot-spindle distance. This is
the most difficult adjustment I know off. But well exciting.
You see: excitment all the way.

Regards,

Dear Dgob, As a imperturbable English gentleman who speak
real English will you be so kind to explain to me what this
outburst from our Aussie friend means? Is he threaten us,
teasing us or is he making jokes about us? We the Serbian
warriors need to know the real intentions in order to react
in an adequate way. That is to say: we like teasing and jokes
but if whoever dare to threaten us there is no other way than
to start a war.

Kind regards,

Dear Henry, Ever heard about Polish-Russian 'disputes' or, even worst, the relationship between those damn Croatian traitors with the nobel and brave Serbians? All are counted
as Slavonic but when you ask a Polack:'are you Slavic?' his answer is: 'no I am Catholic'.
As I wrote to you: 'you wounded my pride' by refusing to accept my (top of the line) TK 9CL as present. So you have no right to play with Slavic sentiments.

Dear Vetterone, If somebody else told me this about you my answer would be: 'you have no idea what you are talking about. Our Vetterone is an inventor, open minded guy who
would never state such a strong minded opinion regarding the comparison between one known and some totally unknow cart.'
But the facts are the facts. His curiosity should also be questioned because he refused to exchange one of his plinths which he produce himself for one rare, impossible to get and exceptional cart. I had no idea that the American debts would have such an impact on the (his) human nature.

Dear Dover, In Holland 'we' say:'butter by the fish'.
Without any ranking of those Vestax cartridge as well as
some comparison with the 'carts of the month' this looks
like the general statement 'we all are Gods children'.
Strange however that Thuchan , who is a 1/2
Japanese according to Raul, confused Mitachi with Mitsubishi.

Dear Dgob, I was not refering to your interest in philosophy... but was wondering why you deed not post this contribution in the MM thread. Meanwhile you already corrected this. That is to say if you want to keep your Glanz thread, uh, 'exclusive'. If you would be so kind to mention the price of Axel's work we may be able to deduce the cantilever/stylus combo from the price.I myself am very reluctant to retip a cart which already has a new stylus as well as the cantilever. This 'prerogative' I live gladly to Raul and 'some' British gentleman.

Regards,

Dear Dgob, I think that the Glanz 5 is the best MM cart that I own. To give some idea about the other: AT 180, Signet TK 9 CL, Virtuoso black with boron/super elliptical,
Acutex 420, Stanton 881 S , AKG P8Es VdHul, etc.,etc.
But since 4 days I am busy with my new Benz LP S. The big question is the comparison with Miyabi Standard , Sony XL 88 and the FR-7 (with nude line stylus). To my mind or testes with those 4 last mentioned only the Glanz 5 among the MM kind can compete. So you can easily deduce that I am very happy with 'your' Glanz 5. To put this otherwise:
without your thread I would never buy any Glanz cart.

Regards,

Dear Dgob, I can't resist to report about my new acquired Glanz 71 l. I compared my new 'treausure' with the AT 150 ANV for about 5 hours. No contest. The Glanz is much better and nearly as good as the Glanz 5. I noticed the same cantilever/stylus as by Glanz 5. The cantilever is a cone like construction, complete different from the 31 version. I am not willing to buy those 'cantilever material' arguments. That is to say if the arguments don't mention the alloy of which the cantilever is made. The facts are that my best carts are all with 'aluminum'(alloy) cantilever: FR-7, Takeda's Myabi, Andreoli's Magic Diamond, Glanz 5 , Glanz 71 L and 31 L. Only my Benz LP S is in the same leaque with a boron cantilever. I also don't buy the 'break in time'. If the producer 'tuned' the cart to his best capabilities how is it possible that the same cart will perform much better after, say, 40 hours of use? In this sense I must confess that my AT 150 ANV is not 'broken in' (what an expression) but this cart sounds 'digital' to me. To pronounced mid/high frequenties.In contradistinction the Glanz 71 l does not accentuate any frequency domain and sounds as an equal whole. The cart was second hand and obviously 'warmed up' already. I need to thank you , dear Dgob, for your introduction to those remarcable Glanz carts. If only Vetterone would be so kind to swap with me his 61 for my Glanz 5 for some listening period of time.

Regards,

Dear Henry, 'The Bavarian audiophiles (and the Japanese) know their onions'. I first thought about their 'onions' in the context of being alliance in both (I +II) wars. But I now think that the Germans think about FR-66 as their own... This is because Japanese are educated in mechanical engeneering in Germany even before the first one. So they are a kind of a spirutual father of the FR-66 as one among (many) other armours.

Dear Raul, I mentioned very clearly that my AT 150 ANV is not yet 'burned in'. I have only about 10 hours on it. The suspension is, I assume, still to stif. So my valuation is
only provisional. But you know how 'excitement' works. I was so glad with the Glanz 71 L that I wanted to share with at least Dgob. You may be also right regarding my 'system'. I test all carts in my second system with SP 10,mk II, FR-64 S , Jasmine LP 2 phono-pre and Marantz amp. (A class). However my experience is that extraordinary carts can be 'detected' also with a modest system. My main system is to complex for frequent testing.

Regards,

Dear Dgob, I am alas the owner of two 'left hands' so no chance for me to build my own plinth for my SP 10,mk II. My hope is that Vetterone will be intriquied with my Glanz 5 in such a way that he will offer one of his plinths in exchange. He make them himself from his own material so it may be the case that this swap is interesting as well as profitable for him (grin). BTW the performance specifications you mentioned can't be attributed to me because I have non. I only mentioned the similarities between the styli. To compare them in A-B-A configuration is possible but I would need to disconnect the Benz LP S from the Triplanar and Kiseki Goldspot from the Reed 2A to do so. But I spend 3 days to adjust both. I also need to open my Basis Exclusive for the purpose. Not an appealing proposition alas. I wish you all the success with your plinth but if carpentry is not your profession I would advice to contract out this work. Your 'own' Adam Smith wrote about division of labour 'ages' ago.

Regards,

Dear Harold, To know if A is similar to B one need to
know something about both or, at least, to have seen
them both. To my knowlege only two lucky b's own this misterious
Glanz: Vetterone and Dover. Vetterone also owns many other
Glanz - as well other other carts. Alas he is to busy with
his inventions so we may get some comment from Dover ?

Dear Henry, If I knew in advance what kind of comment you would produce about my Glanz collection I would not even dream to borrow my whole collection to you. But the sentiment is easilly explained. I used to like you while your Slavic descent added to the illusion of brotherhood.
Thanks to Dgob I got interested in the Glanz brand and got my first 31L not in Germany but in his motherland GB. Just before the 31 L I managed somehow to get the Astatic 200
the cart of the year and not of the month. By my Glanz 31L there was also the user manual included from which I learned that neither Glanz or Astatic have anything to do with the production of the MF (moving flux)carts. The Germans have the expression 'Aha Erlebnis' for such kind of discoveries. By comparing them I was surprised to hear or, better, not to hear any difference. With some reluctance I posted this finding in Dgob's thread. The reluctance because of implicite questioning of 'his authority' the Mexican. You have no idea how glad AND proud I was when Vetterone HIMSELF agreed with my judgment. This accident or fact then induced me to try to get the other 'top line' Glanz carts. The pride induces people to long for more succes. But it took me two years of 'global searching' to get the 4 which you got without any effort or trouble. We in Europe, you know, have learned the expression 'gratitude' as well what it means. Well different countries different customs as one would say. Now lucky me and probable unlucky Henry Vetterone also clearly stated that the worse of those is the 51L . Your preferd choice (grin). He also mentioned some misterious 61 which I was, alas, never able to find in the
known universe. This one was according to him the best of his collection. I am a kind of member of the so called 'German group' but more in intellectual sense as in 'nationalistic one'. Because of this membership I understand their obssesion with FR-66 tonearm. In order to legitimate their opinion as well to be consistent they use this monster with any cart whatever. I myself would never dream to use the FR-66 for any MM cart whatever. And certainly not with the 71 L which has the highest complience of them all (aka 'all 4'). Why and how this German illusion was exported to Australia is an enigma for
me. But,'in the other side', as the Mexican is used to say (aka write) this enigma may explain the 'deviant' opinions about many carts by our Aussie friend.

Regards,

The king is dead , long live the king. Or rather the frog become the princess thanks to my Glanz collection and some Aussie prince. Comparing the last 5 or so contributions with the MM thread caused those associations. If whoever is interested in compliments exchange between the Mexican and Harold the barren one can see the 'why' for himself.
What we need in addition is the Professor, Lew, Flieb (in Don's notation) and more. To provide the substance , cause or occasion I am willing to borrow my Glanz colection to
those mentioned. Then we will be complete again while Dgob's thread can florish with humorous AND informative content.
Vetterone is also welcome but we (aka he and I) need to first agree about one of his plinths ...

Regards,

Dear Henry,If one compare your use of languge by describing my Glanz collection with the language you used to describe your AT 155 Cl stylus one will get a clear picture about the distinction between prose and lyrics. I got the feeling that I need to abandon my atheistic convintion, knee-deep for the Almighty and thank him for the immeasurable luck to have at last got the treasure. And well as exchange for my abundant Glanz 51L. But if scarcity has anything to do with ecomics and prices the fact that you own 6 (!) of those AT 155 CL styli
while nobody except Nikola was able to get one of those 51 L one may get some different perception about the swap involved. And, speaking about economics, in those difficult
economic times an architect NEED to be very inventive in order to sell his stuf. No wonder then that some lyrical capabilities are developed.
Now about the Germans. It is a known fact that they made and love heavy armors. The 'big Berta' ( the cannon) and those huge Panzers should provide some mind images. I myself call my ASR gear ( EmitterII and Basis exclusive) my 'German artillery'. I ever considered to by an Kalashnikov in Bosnia for $250 or the FR-66 to defend myself. The price difference should make it easy to guess what my choice was. So I can understand ,as I already mentioned, the 'German group' inclination reg. 'big guns' but had no idea about similar militaristic inclination buy the Aussie.

Regards,

Dear Don, That is probably why the Dutch invented this saying: 'Protect me my Lord from my friends I can manage my enemy myself.'
Henry likes to tease me with Raul's influence but he forget to mention that I always prefered the (LO)MC's above the MM kind while the Mexican only recently changed his mind in this, uh, connection. Anyway I mostly agreed with his MM valuations and only with the Ortofon MC 2000 of the MC kind. While I can manage my enemy my cheap Jasmine phono-pre can manage Ortofon's output:0,05 mV. What a cart! Realy difficult to believe considering the price.
My conclusion: not the carts are important but our knowledge about them is.

Regards,

Dear Professor, I need to read your prose at least twice to understand by approximation what you are talking about. Your lirical productions are, alas, impentrable for a foreigner like me regardless how many times I would read those. When I invited you to this thread I hoped for your humorous and informative contributions. I now hope that Lew will join us because he was always willing to explain to me difficult American expressions (like 'prostitute variations', etc). Besides he is among many other things also interested in (Italian) cars so the right person to explain your strange parallels between cars and carts.
I hope you will be not surprised with this kind of welcome 'speach' from your friend from the Balkans?

Regards,

Dear Henry, There are mechanical engineering schools with their specific 'design ethic' but my 'picture' of the 'Teutonic appearance' is more connected with cruisers, aircraft carriers, tanks ans similar 'subjects' by the German education of the Japanese engineers.How then the big
Micro tables and the big FR- tonearms become by-products of this 'design ethics' I have no idea.

Dear Jmowbray, Dgob got my best (G5), Henry got my worse
(51L) and you can get my second best (aka 71l). BTW those
Glanz are MF not MI. The 71 l is the same as the Astatic 100 MF.

Dear Vetterone, Glad to see you got at last some free
time for the discussion with the common mortals. I assume
that even inventions can be boring from time to time?
Well our Dover knows about human nature so he posted some
pictures as proof for the exsistance of this misterious
Glanz 61. I want mention the Almighty in this context but
think about the money we in Europe spend for Cern in
order to show that those small Higs particles exist.
Now if you and Dover could hear the Glanz 5 you both would
be able to make a real interesting comparison. BTW I am
still wiling to swap my Glanz 5 for one of your plinths
for my SP 10. What about this generous proposal?

Dear Harold, The nomenclature of the most carts is inscrutable. Think of AT, AKG, Empire, etc.. I have the user manual included by my Glanz 31 l with the 'whole' series imported by Glanz then from Mitachi company in Japan. There are specs of 8 carts with 71,51 and 31 as
the 'top line'. But your 610 LX and 310 LX are not included. There is also no mentioninig of this 61 model or version so both Vetterone and Dover enjoyed teasing me with the fact(?) that they own this 'treausere' and I do not. So while I am not very optimistic in 'nature' I still
hope that both will inform us about this misterious cart.

Dear Vetterone, How can I forget you while continually
dreaming about your plinth for my SP-10?
BTW refering to whatever user manual is not much of a
proof for anything. My own, included by my 31L seems to
be the most recent. (In)there as the top line are mentioned
71,51 and 31 while no sign of this misterious 61 can be
found. If Dover has not informed me to have 'got' one I would
still think that this 61 is a product of your rich
imagination. But now that must believe that this 61 exist
I decided to sell my Glanz collection. Out of frustration
of course.

Dear Harold, There is this old Aristotelian 'methodology'
about the 'essence of things'. Well your 'neverending story'
seems to be the 'essence' of our hobby. Your 'digit'
assumption however is ,alas, false. This 'lesser' number 61
seems to be better than my own higher number 71.

Dear chakster, Thanks for all your efforts to inform your co-members
about MM carts in general and Glanz in particular. But I want to
first explain difference with Astatic kind. Both Glanz and Astatic
ordered their samples with specific requirements. Astatic ordered
output of 4.2 mV and Shibata styli while Glanz output is 3.5 mV
and either line contact or elliptical styli. 
I am not sure how damping is constructed by MM carts. I do know
how those with ''tension wire'' are constructed. When we look at 
your pictures of Glanz 61, 31 and 71 we can clearly see the aluminum tube behind the cantilever. This is usual by MC carts and
is called ''joint pipe'' IN which the cantilever is glued and ON which
the coils are fastened. The same ''pipe'' is connected with the
generator with tension wire. To put this otherwise there is no such
thing as ''pure boron'' or other ''exotic cantilever'' because the
aluminum tube behind them is part of the moving parts. To my
knowledge retip of one MM cart is done by cutting the existent
cantilever and gluing the new cantilever IN or OVER the restant
of the old cantilever. That is why I never retiped any MM cart.
By MC kinds also damping can be easy changed by loosening
the tension wire , removing the the moving part and installing the
''rubber ring'' on the generator behind the coils. 

Dear chakster, I mentioned my reservation about MM carts
regarding their ''internal construction'' . I have no idea how
damping (aka ''rubber ring'') is fastened on the cantilever.
You know my experience with Technics 205,mk3 . Its
suspension problem was impossible to fix. This is one
of the reasons why I never try any ''refurbishing'' of MM kinds.
You also mentioned to never ''retip'' MM carts but you deed
not explained why. Because we both try to inform our co-
members as good as we can this information is pretty important.
As you also know Raul posted a bunch of his MM carts for
''refurbishing'' to different ''retip services'' in advance. That is
without checking their function first. But if nobody is able to fix
suspensions problems by MM kinds this should be mentioned
to our members. Those repairs are not cheap so if they make
no sense our members should be warned. If some of the MM
kinds have the whole ''exotic'' cantilever inside than this
cantilever must be damped somehow. I know how this is done
by styli with tension wire but not how this is done by other kinds.
My scepsis is based on my experience with 205,mk 3 which
may not apply for other kinds. If you know how those (whole)
cantilevers are damped and if those are also reparable then 
you should explain  how. One only need to look at the ''tube''
behind any MM stylus and then ask the question: ''how can
this be done''?

Dear Lew, Dgob is an real English gentleman and can as such
impossible refuse my kindly request. Besides he owns this G5
thanks to me as well lives nearby Holland. I hope he is aware
how dangerous those Serbian fighters are . Loosing the EU 
market is one thing but loosing your life one other. 

Dear chakster, I quote Aristotle: ''Amicus Plato sed magis amica
veritas'' (I love Plato but I love truth more).
I was wondering about your ''dismissal'' of Glanz 71 L in comparison
with Glanz 31L. I was also surprised with Axel's repair of the 71
damping. So I inspected both styli. The stylus by 71 looks pretty
complex , more like an MC kind then usual MM kinds. The conical cantilever is pretty short with so called ''one point suspension'' and
tension wire which can be adjusted with an screw at the end of
the ''stylus tube''. The damping rubber is just behind the stylus
such that by increasing tension on the wire one can adjust the
compliance . As you mentioned your sample was ''low rider''.
This means to me that you listened to an defective Glanz. So
your opinion about Glanz  71 is not very convincing.
In contradistinction the 31 stylus is much more simple  and
without tension wire. The tube behind the cantilever looks like 
those by Shure. I don't see how those can be opened in order
to change the ''rubber ring'' assuming that there is one.
Like you I  think that G5 and G7 have the same stylus as 71L.

I hope Dgob will be so kind to inform us about his experience
with G5 which btw he got from me by way of exchange (grin)



 

 

Dear chakster,
''Glanz MFG -71 l (has) much bigger tapered Aluminum alloy 
cantilever ...found in cheaper and fairly high quality cartridges''.
Curious statement but I don't believe that Mitachi would make
such effort for the construction of 71 stilus (in comparison to
31 L) if there was no improvement  in comparison to 31 L which
is much more simple qua construction. I assume that Dgob's G-5
has the same stylus (construction) as 71 l. I never inspected the
G-5 stylus so I have no idea how it looks. My hope was that Dgob
would react to my (and Lew's) request and explain to us why he
''swears'' by those G-5, G-7 kinds? He has the most experience 
with the G-5 and , I assume, prefer this model above all else. 
Alas he seems not to be as ''nice '' as I assumed. Anyway no
reaction at all. 
Now about this ''tension wire''. At the end of the ''stylus tube''
there is an adjustment screw with which the pressure on the
rubber damping can be increased or decreased ''tuning'' this
way the compliance of the cart. I think that Axel used this screw
to fix your ''low rider'' sample. For 60 euro not much work (grin).
If you look better at your User manual you will see this screw
as well damping rubber behind the cantilever. 
By MC kinds the ''rubber ring'' is fastened behind the coils on
the generator. The pressure on this rubber ring can be adjusted
by the tension wire in reverse. When the tension wire need to
be installed back and ''tensioned'' against the rubber ring. 
One can see different screws on the MC generators one of
which need to fasten tension wire at the end of the generator. 
This tension wire divide the moving part(s); stylus , cantilever and coils fastened on the (aluminum) joint pipe and damping which
is fastened behind the coils on the generator. Without tension
wire the front or the moving parts would drop  off. 

Dear chakster, Logic is connected with mathematics ( aka the
number theory) in the West but not necessary in the East.
Chinese and Japanese distinguish  between ''bad'' and ''good
numbers''. So searching for logical explanation for Glanz numbers
is hopeless undertaking. Even worst is the AT nomenclature.
I own AT's  in the cloths of Signet kinds numbered from 10 ,etc.
but without nr. 8. I own all of them till TK 5 but despite logic there
is no nr.8. So I assume that they (the Japanese) assume that
this number brings misfortune. But then there is some logic in
avoiding this number because everybody wants to avoid misfortune.
So it may be the case that they preferred nr. 61 above 71. Also
because the 61 is produced later they needed to put this nr.
somewhere so they put it between 71 and 51.  There is ,alas,
no reason for us in the West to feel superior because we also
have some strange numbers: negative , irrational and even infinite
numbers.

This English gentleman forget the ''function of time''. Or rather
he wants to reverse  its direction. When Raul started this
thread one could ask more money for each cart of the month
than he paid for. This ''one'' was member of this forum and had
as such ''inside information''. To put this otherwise we were able
to experiment for free. Alas this is not anymore the case. However
our English gentleman still thinks that those ''good old times''
are still present. 

Advantages of tension wire by ,say, MM carts is ever explained
by J. Carr is this forum. They are usual by MC cartridges but
not by MM kinds. With exceptions. By AT , Technics , Grace and
some Glanz& Astatic (the ''top'' versions) also. I can see this
clear by MF 71 and Astatic 100 but not by Astatic 200 or
Glanz 31. Tension wire ''imply'' fastening an both sides of the
generator. This means fastening an  the cantilever and its
back side. By Technics this back side is glued but by Glanz 
there is an screw on the back side . Anyway in order to repair
damping this wire must be removed. This is not possible by
Technics but probably well by other.