Do equipment stands have an impact on electronics?


Mechanical grounding or isolation from vibration has been a hot topic as of late.  Many know from experience that footers, stands and other vibration technologies impact things that vibrate a lot like speakers, subs or even listening rooms (my recent experience with an "Energy room").  The question is does it have merit when it comes to electronics and if so why?  Are there plausible explanations for their effect on electronics or suggested measurement paradigms to document such an effect?
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maybe you should read it again.

"In 1983, Burroughs was elected to the American Academy and Institute of Arts and Letters, and in 1984 he was awarded the Ordre des Arts et des Lettres by France.[1] Jack Kerouac called Burroughs the "greatest satirical writer since Jonathan Swift",[2] a reputation he owes to his "lifelong subversion"[3] of the moral, political, and economic systems of modern American society, articulated in often darkly humorous sardonicism. J. G. Ballard considered Burroughs to be "the most important writer to emerge since the Second World War", while Norman Mailer declared him "the only American writer who may be conceivably possessed by genius"."

An ordinary man has no means of deliverance. - Wm Burroughs
i was not a reference to his writing but rather his life and how he lived.  Two different things grasshopper.  What literature did you read beyond english composition 101 in E-school?  
Wait…I'm still hung up on Ralph's "perfectly coiffed hippy mane." Having been a Real Hippy (as opposed to a "weekend hippy"), and a working musician since 1967 where I was overexposed to all sorts of hippiedom, I can say that "perfectly coiffed" and "hippy mane" are mutually exclusive.
Ha!  Point taken.  Well, we always knew Ralph was a poseur and a wannabe.  I assume that is what you are implying...
Mane??

I cut my hair back about 5 or 6 years ago and joined the establishment. Now I quaff kombuchas while driving my Honda Insight and listening to NPR. I guess with that I'll never shed the hippy image.
How sad.  Do the Birkenstocks at least live on?

I felt a certain kinship with Ralph and Michael Green, we three the only longhairs at CES in the 90's. I cut off my mop in 2003 when Pearl Harbor (whose band I had just joined) asked me if I would not mind doing. She was a London-type Punk/Rockabilly singer (three albums on WB, Stiff in the UK), and didn't cotton to anything remotely hippie-ish. She had been married to Clash bassist Paul Simonon, and liked her band to look "manly"---50's greaser style. I actually love that look, and gladly acquiesced. But I'm back to the biker look, like Steve Earle in his hard-rockin' period. I prefer to think of it as biker, 'cause I never liked the Hippie style. Love beads, bell-bottoms, and a headband? Yuch!
Nice.  Audiogon needs to institute mug shots for all its users....
Heck, most hippies these days drive hybrids and drink kombuchas... but I've not had Birkenstocks for decades (they didn't hold up so well in the Minnesota winters; neither did my socks). But I still wear sandals as much as I can.

I even ride my bike with sandals (Shimano is making their clipless sandals again) which I used when I rode the Tour Divide back in June.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhrtPyr1KQI
Looks like a kool race.  Next you you do it, take Kait with you.  He needs to get out of his basement and get some exercise.  I lived in the cities for over 10 years during my training at the U and owned a mountain bike and road it all over creation.  The endless trails along the river were great.   
The discussion in which the Ginsberg Burroughs anecdote appeared was about knowledge not lifestyle. To whit,

"Burroughs, older and wiser, simply replied that he didn’t say anything because "you can’t tell anybody anything they don’t already know." That’s putting it rather in the extreme, but it’s another way of saying that some people just don’t get it and never will."

The more I think about it the Burroughs quote could apply to you. 😛
And you separate those two things how? Have you read any of his novels or are you flying on derivative knowledge as usual....?  Again, I don't look to either pedophiles or drug addicts for "knowledge" aka wisdom.  
Some people's ego doesn't allow them to contemplate how little of our brains do we use, how little we know. A healthy dose of a psychedelic can help with that.
I have finally figured out why this thread has been such a mosh pit. Bdp24 let the cat out of the bag.  Aside from the erratic ramblings of Mr Kait (a given on threads of any subject), it has struggled to retain focus due to the insidious input of aging hipsters.  In his book "Doors of Perception," Aldous Huxley celebrated the quasi-religious revelations offered by Mescaline.  Cdp24 mirrors that sentiment.  The dark side of such as chemical enlightenment does not always manifest until much later in conjunction with aging of the brain.  These "experiences" are burnt into our grey matter as a neural circuit of sorts, and these neural eddies re-emerge in an uncontrolled and inappropriate ways unbeknownst to the victim.  The damage wrought by psychedelics has been borne out to some degree in the aftermath of the CIA's LSD experiments (Kait, if you were a participant, this would make this revelation a complete circle).  At this point, in a Zuckerbergian gesture and for the sake of thread clarity, I propose censorship of all participants with exposure to psychedelic drugs in their past.  A hair sample can be taken, and if you are clean, your musings on mechanical grounding will be accepted.    
I actually don’t disagree with anything you just said Geoff. I had a few great trips, and then got some stuff laced with something, as you suggest perhaps amphetamine. Luckily, it made me so violently ill I expunged it all out of my stomach, and things calmed down. The sight of a solid tube of rainbow sherbet-colored vomit propelling out of my mouth (think the Yellow Submarine animated movie) was quite surreal! I saw my first and only third eye that day, right in the middle of a guy’s forehead. It blinked separately from the other two ;-). That was it for me, thank you very much. I felt as if I had narrowly escaped the fate of Icarus, flying too close to the sun (too high).
Third eye eh?  Ever able to teleport yourself anywhere?  Remote viewing?
Not to get too personal here, but regarding "remote".....one aspect of my last "time" involved the perception that we are looking at the physical universe through our eyes, with the same feeling one gets when looking through the eye holes in a mask, being behind the mask and everything else on the other side of it---a two dimensional construct. Except that of course our "mask" is part of the three-dimensional universe, not two. We feel like we are inside our bodies, looking out at the universe those bodies are in through our eyes. Many people don’t consider their body "them", but rather what they are "in" at the moment.
That is called an OOBE and as such is simply a neurological epiphenomena.  Nothing spiritual per say although its novelty can lead one to construct an alter around that experience.  Mr. Leary certainly did.

Another warning about hallucinogens (all natural ones):  http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/0269881116662634
Thanks for the heads up. Someone needed to pick up the banner from Nancy Reagan.

Just say no

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Not benign as you insinuated earlier.  Duh.

Gosh, I don’t think I’ve seen that before - someone trying to win an argument by appealing to big words. I thought I’d seen them all. That’s a new logical fallacy on me. Must be related to the Snow Job fallacy.

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No, just logic grasshopper.  Not something covered in remedial E-school humanities classes.  ;)
Gosh, what ever happened to this thread?
Inexplicable censorship.  I had a post about NIH-level research involving CBD and Alzheimers pulled.  I find it very disconcerting and lessens my desire to be a patron of this site.  Sadly, you see the same pattern with Twitter, Facebook, etc.  I find it reprehensible especially when such "technologies" are used to suppress public discourse and whitewash evil.   
That’s not at all what has happened here. You might want to read Agon’s terms of service.

This thread is: " Do equipment stands have an impact on electronics?"

It is not: "The risks, benefits, joys and science of marijuana and LSD use."
I don’t agree at all. The censors have always had problems with contextualizing humor and/or information within a thread. I have seen it happen many times.  Again, Twitter and Facebook would be proud.
take that to the "substances" thread..
And where do we place your editorial on this situation?
I guess it was inevitable that a topic such as this, do equipment stands have any influence on electronics would bring out the self-styled skeptics and stand up comedians. But what is both ironic and surprising is the cold hard realization (by your humble scribe, at least) that vibration control and vibration isolation are still perceived by many audiophiles as controversial, or completely unnecessary, or even unwanted and deleterious to the sound, or even a well-orchestrated scam. It appears that this whole vibration isolation subject in particular demonstrates what I like to call "Stove Piping" by audiophiles - working in isolation (no pun intended) and developing their own "interpretation" of what a high end audio system should be. This results in everyone comes out with his own "interpretation" of what’s involved.

That’s what Stove Piping does: without sharing of ideas and due diligence and research, systems out there will incorporate their owners’ ideas of what constitutes high end audio. Obviously we all have different ideas what that is. It’s no wonder there is so much disagreement in audio about ALMOST EVERYTHING. And I think it’s true audiophiles cling to their beliefs and cannot be shaken in them, for better or worse. Obviously some beliefs SHOULD be clung to. But many beliefs are worthy of rejection. The problem is, and this is demonstrated on many audio forum threads, the more an audiophile’s beliefs are confronted or contradicted the stronger he embraces them - the Backfire Effect in action. To summarize, Stove Piping and the Backfire Effect prevent many audiophiles from progressing and getting stuck. That’s why some people can be perceived as being stuck in the 80s or 90s.
I agree.  "Stove piping" is something we all do, but its partly the byproduct of our intrinsically schizophrenic hobby where the observer is intimately involved in and colors the observation.    
Please speak for yourself. Schizophrenia is a dreadful disease. It is not "intrinsic" to our hobby.
Okay kids.  I was using definition #2 to describe the innate tension in our hobby.   

Definition of schizophrenia
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: a mental disorder that is characterized by disturbances in thought (such as delusions), perception (such as hallucinations), and behavior (such as disorganized speech or catatonic behavior), by a loss of emotional responsiveness and extreme apathy, and by noticeable deterioration in the level of functioning in everyday life —called also dementia praecox ◆Schizophrenia often involves an inability to orient oneself with reality, a withdrawal from social interactions, and a failure to integrate thoughts with emotions so that emotional expression is inappropriate. There are several subtypes of schizophrenia, including paranoid schizophrenia and those types marked by catatonia or hebephrenia .
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: contradictory or antagonistic qualities or attitudes <both parties … have exhibited schizophrenia over the desired outcome — Elizabeth Drew>
schizophrenicplay \-ˈfre-nik\ adjective or noun
schizophrenicallyplay \-ni-k(ə-)lē\ adverb

Yeah, I don't think it's quite that bad. Perhaps a mild disorder like obsessive compulsive disorder or mild depression. Perhaps mild case of bipolar. In some cases even a full blown case of the you know what.

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OCD tendencies and/of depression do feed into it, but at its core, it has that element of internal division due to obvious reasons.  That's all.  
To be more specific, schizoid mentation/depression/OCD tendencies superimposed on a predisposition towards addiction: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/music-sex-stimulate-same-part-brain-opioid-drugs-rock-n-roll-mcgill-university-scientific-reports-a7568606.html

The burning question is what role isolation plays.  It is my understand that the LIGO team experiences uninterrupted bliss while on the job.  I presume Sheldrake has entered a similar dimension although through a different pathway.....