Classical Music for Aficionados


I would like to start a thread, similar to Orpheus’ jazz site, for lovers of classical music.
I will list some of my favorite recordings, CDs as well as LP’s. While good sound is not a prime requisite, it will be a consideration.
  Classical music lovers please feel free to add to my lists.
Discussion of musical and recording issues will be welcome.

I’ll start with a list of CDs.  Records to follow in a later post.

Berlioz: Symphonie Fantastique.  Chesky  — Royal Phil. Orch.  Freccia, conductor.
Mahler:  Des Knaben Wunderhorn.  Vanguard Classics — Vienna Festival Orch. Prohaska, conductor.
Prokofiev:  Scythian Suite et. al.  DG  — Chicago Symphony  Abbado, conductor.
Brahms: Symphony #1.  Chesky — London Symph. Orch.  Horenstein, conductor.
Stravinsky: L’Histoire du Soldat. HDTT — Ars Nova.  Mandell, conductor.
Rachmaninoff: Symphonic Dances. Analogue Productions. — Dallas Symph Orch. Johanos, cond.
Respighi: Roman Festivals et. al. Chesky — Royal Phil. Orch. Freccia, conductor.

All of the above happen to be great sounding recordings, but, as I said, sonics is not a prerequisite.


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Right, I have read every book I could find on Brahms , not just because his music is so great , but because his mind and manor are fascinating to me as I grow old .
#3 The best I have heard is Otto Klemperer With the Philharmonia Orchestra .on a EMI Great Recording of The Century /
Its in 1955 mono which is fine for me .
If not for you there is a stunning 3 with the Basle Chamber Orch./ underGiovanni Antonini on Sony Classical ,.
The best sounding and and very well done Beethoven is 2&70n BIS with the Minnesota Orch. /Osmo Vanska
One of THE most beautiful recordings I have ever heard .
P.S. Barbirolli never made a bad record ,

Nothing wrong with VonKarajin  3rds

There is a very good 1,2, 3 on a DVD I have . Michael Gielen/ German SWR Orch . Which is one of the fine German Radio Orchs.





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newbee, if 960 is transcending i must have it !!
Would you please give me the full  details I need to Amazon it .
Guys who never wrote a bad note;
Mozart , Schubert, Brahms .

Bach is a given .As are Schumann’s chamber pieces .

Among modern composers Leos Janacek excels in everything .His string quartets are to die for !
If you like long , sweeping symphonies that are just plain beautiful , Sibelius is your man .
Mahler is someone you either like or you don't . No shame either way .
What EVERY Classical lover should have is IMO the greatest recording
ever made .
Puccini’s" La Boheme " with the greatest singer of the last century,Jussi Bjoerling, with his two favorite partners, also greats, Victoria De Los Angeles and Robert Merrill .
Sir Thomas Beecham never made a bad recording and this is his very best , a true masterpiece . Every one involved was at the acme of
their art .

As Robert Greenfield ,the great Gramophone critic said "rarely if ever directed a more glowing opera performance on record .......the norm against which all other performances have to be judged ."

The sound was remastered from mono from the 1956 recording from the original two track tape and is very natural and spacious .
My two copies are Seraphim SIB-6099 which means it was an EMI recording , a good thing .
I know it is on CD and also know I would pay a lot more for vinyl .


Even if you hate opera perfection has a beauty all its own .

P.S . There are CD recordings both on Naxos and Great Performances of the Century on Amazon .         I'd buy Naxos , same thing , less money . Read the reviews folks !


Really ?
Mozart and Brahms are better .
And at their best cases can be made for Haydn , Schubert and Bruckner .
The horse that thinks Beethoven is better than Mozart and that
Schuberts Great 9th a "if you must have" and Haydn out of hand , must prefer mud over oats and 400 lb jockeys .
And likely has heard little live music  in his stall.

It's common for those who grew up in a rock culture to like music that does something for them and not for the music itself .A German principal in a great German  orchestra said to me , " their hearts are blind to beauty " .
Which happens to be true . And happens to not meet any known definition of xenophobia .My friend was speaking of the entire World . What do you have against Germans ?
Nothing I said is unreasonable and what you said is. You define what you dislike in any manner you see fit. Infantile .

Yes , I’ve noticed general knowledge is not your strong point , newbee.
What I do/ did best is teach History at a German University .
I gave my 12 year old daughter a complete set of the Beethoven String Qts. I did so because she heard me play them so much she wanted her own set .

Seriously , you two would do well to at least audit Logic 101 at a college near you .
No problem at all rvpiano !The only reason I went on and on was I respect you as a musician . At one time I was part of the " family " of the second best band in Berlin
and knew well most of them . As a History Prof . I saw that their total
immersion in their craft left them with little knowledge of the society around them . Some were aware of that as Germany makes a
BIG effort to tell history like it is in a much more truthful way than we do .I talked to a lot of them about the world around as it related to them .
Some thanked me .

As I saw it musicians are like the best doctors and others in the most demanding professions . They live in a bubble, which is great for the music, but not always for them .


P.S . My buy of the Beaux Arts box was one of my better buys .That Pressler is a one-off .

If you actually believe that rock is only an American phenomenon  and not a world wide one both in playing and composing you should say nothing .
elizabeth,
I’ve been sitting here trying to think of the basic difference between
elegant Mozart and pedal to the metal LvB , which is hard at my age .
.When Beethoven hits his last note one thinks " that’s how its done !!!" .
When Mozart is done one can only think "it could be done no other way ."


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Unless you are just using Classical as a time period about 90% of all
those enamored of this would give this title to Bach .If you are Mozart gets more votes . Not to say a good case can’t be made and is for Beethoven .
IMO Brahms tops LvB in most things other than his String Quartets .
More refined and elegant , listen to both violin concertos back to back.Listen to Clarinet Quintet Op 115 etc .
Of course at the end of the day, you like what you like .

I agree with you , Jim !
MacKerras  with the BBC Scottish was as good as music gets ,
But as you say , hard to find .

Also with jcazador ,  As a fan of Schubert I have all their outings of him .
Yes Jim , I remember when he brought a great favorite of mine, Janacek ,to Scotland .I thought he would do well in Scotland !
MacKerras was one of the first who knew the language of the composerwas an element not to be forgotten . He could go czech in the blink of an
eye .
learsfool. Perhaps it was on another post, but I did recommend Bruckner ,
and would have R. Strauss if I had not been schooled by Herr newbee
for putting Mozart and Brahms above LvB and Mahler .I learned that Bruckner was too "precious " , Schubert’s 9th was over done and Haydn is to be dismissed out of hand . In fact all symphonies before LvB are to be .
I do appreciated being corrected .

In Europe Claudio is the man for Mahler beyond doubt . Rightly so .
Few of my favorite moderns , fool that I am, in no order are,Bartok, R.Strauss, Vaughan Williams, Hindemith , Janacek and Bruckner .
FWIW , I have a Bruckner set "Skrowaczewski / Rundfunk -Saarbrucken" that I dearly love . Those smaller German radio banks played together forever and often , this great conductor had them at their peak and sometimes lesser is more .

St. Paul is a hot spot for Early Music , I’d as soon listen to Henry Purcell as anybody .




Point taken .It was not obvious to me . I thought you were just some self appointed expert  out of their mind dismissing the Mozart and later Haydn symphonies as well . 

Radu Lupu , Murray Perahia,Mitsuko Uchida and Alfred Berendel are some of the go-to Schubert players . As for sound Phillips went all out for
Uchida , a wonderful pianist .The best single piano recording I have heard of Schubert is his "Wandererfantasie" Op.D760 with Maurizio Pollini on
DG .which is a 1973 recording that has remastered very well in my Hears .Schubert’s two Piano Trios are some of the most beautiful music ever written ,an excellent recording in all respects is the Beaux Arts effort onPhillips .
 woops rv,  I see you got in as I was righting ! Hmm , great minds think alike and that .I thought of Richter too but he's had a lot on not so great sound put on him.
Happy International Women’s Day all .
Remember Amy Beach , one of the greatest American composers regardless of gender .

Everything she wrote is a joy to listen to , a favorite of mine " Gaelic Symphony " + "Piano Concerto" on Naxos is/ Schermerhorn / Nashville Sym .
Her many chamber pieces are beautiful as well.
Not to worry jim , you have something to say that is worth hearing which no amount of spelling mistakes can erase .
True rv , you could argue as to whether  Hewitt or Gould is the best player
ever to come out of  Canada , but no doubt she is the greatest living one .
She will be at 92nd Y on May 14h .
Brahms is the best music for the elderly IMO . I used to wonder why his music is often called " autumnal".Now I know.


He was also a fan of Schubert .I like Rubenstein and love Fournier .

Jim , would a UK pensioner be considered well off with a years income of 50, 000 quid ?
I have long been a major fan of Faure  and his piano works IMO don't receive the attention they deserve .I have the  Hewitt 's and they are very good .
Yesterday  I was gifted a CD by one Nicolas Stavy  that I believe  surpass the Hewitt  . A BIS recording , BIS 2389 so you know the sound is tops !
I had a good, a very good, account of the Glazunov Vn, by Aaron Rosand Vox that died in a move .Every musician I have known was big on the Glazunov
There were MANY great recordings on Vox Classics !
When Hogwood and Kirby are together even God stops to listen .
Tell wife what a monster you would have been had not classical music made a refined Scottish Gentleman out of you .Down at the local with the lads at all hours etc .Worked for me .
As one of my grans was born and raised in the Gorbals I have some idea, Jim
The other one was a "rich" girl from the Florida area .

Since Hollinger is surely one of the greatest artists alive not surprising he is able to produce the lyricism of Schubert
The 3 times I heard him live it was literally hard to believe
he was human . You are spot on with the reduced forces . Heard our World Class St.Paul Chamber Orch . do Schubert’s 1 and 5 two weeks ago , to die for .Schubert is played more today than 50 years ago, thank God .When I first started with classical all the pundits treated his symphonies, as "juvenilia"compared to the mighty Beethoven.
I kept playing both their 3, 5 and 9th and thought I must be an idiot to think Schubert was better .Haven’t got any smarter .

Classical music changed my life 180, never heard a note of it till I was 30and heard the Great Jussi Bjorling sing a song in German on Armed Forces Radio . It was like turning on the light in a dark room and there stood beauty itself .
On a Glazunov note try his 6th with Jose Serebrier and the Royal Scottish
on Warner Classical . superb !Few days ago I heard his Ballet"The Seasons " on FM . A beautiful piece of music.
To me he is like Brahms in that I feel like I’m having an intelligent adult conversation .
rvpiano, went through Amazon and my mess of CD’s for an Oistrakh . no luck. I have heard Gil Shaham play the Glazunov live here with the SPCO , its one of his standards, and he is superb with it .

Ordered him and Julia Fisher on Telarc , Fisher is my favorite living violinist
and Oistrakh my #1 not with us .Fisher does remind me of him at times .
Did find an 8 CD set of all of his symphonies and concertos with Serebrier and the Royal Scottish , ordered those . One has Rachel Barton-Pine with the Russian National Orch . Have you heard any of those ?
What I did find in my treasure was two CD’s of Glazunov’s solo piano
on helios with Stephen Coombs(never opened).Very interesting and very complicated with counterpoint on a Bachian scale. .To my hears he does everything to a piano that can be done to it , lyrical over the rolling thunder always there in his music, pushing emotion to the top but never going over it ! I imagine most players just stay away from it .In any event I was simply enveloped by it .His Sonata No 1 in B flat minor ,Op 74 is breathtaking .
Thanks rv, kind of you But I did find a Russian one of several of his concertos where folks said the Glazunov was the star .I already had a CD of his 6 with Royal Scottish which is very good .Barton-Pine is very easy on the ear at worst .
Since I am 5 miles from the studio it uses I listen to it.Got about 9 out  ten for about a year , lost 2 in a row and my ego
made me stop !
God said , Love thy Neighbor .
In 2 days , July 1st . the USA has a neighbor that we have a 5,000 border
with that has always been true and from which we could learn much July 1 is their July 4th .
Here is a lovely Symphonic rendition of the National Anthem .of a Great
Nation .
https://youtu.be/ABGW92k2zU4?t=2


Here is a quick vocal version of a land for a nation which I have great respect .


https://youtu.be/kRPGPAnPNa8?t=4

At over 90 Blomstedt is still in heavy demand world-wide , a true master !

  On records his Nielsen Symphonies 1,2 and 3 with the San Francisco on Decca is utterly magnificent ,one of the best outings I’ve ever heard .

Live , his Bach B Minor Mass with the Gewandhaus is burned into my soul .


Bamberg is not only one of the worlds most beautiful cities, its Symphony

is outstanding and has been so for a long time .

A great recording of the Bamberg is a Schubert 9th under Jonathan Nott

on Tudor 7144 . If you can find it you won’t regret it .















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+ I for the Flor Mendelssohn !

   In Russia Kondrashin was considered  the ultimate conductor of Mahler .

I don’t think I’ve ever gone out this far on a branch , in private or in public as I am about to .

I’ve listened to about every Glazunov Violin Concerto(and others) ever made in the last month or so .

Julia Fisher is the greatest violinist in modern times , She simply makes, name who you will , seem like an also ran . She does things no one else can .Never forces a note , tone steady form the lowest to the highest note, nonpareil control of harmonics, a natural ability to balance with the orchestra , magnificent dynamics with vitality and perfect inflection in every note . Similar to Mozart in her ability to make you think it could be no other way . For starters .

Of course I could be wrong and we all like who we like .


Thank you rv and jim .

It not that I don’t like other violinists , I am in love with Nicola Benedetti, almost broke my dial finger when I heard she was coming to Minneapolis last year and bought the best seat in the house .

Of course the fact that she is 200% Scottish and has done so much in general for my DNA land had something to do with it . But I could make a list of dozens of others . I went hundreds of miles to hear Milstein and Oistrakh both of whom who I still listen to often and so on and so forth .


The simple home truth is than God gave Julia Fisher the entire package .

Thank you Lord !


P.S . rv, I put the Glazunov toward the top as well though Brahms is my smack dab tops . What makes the Glazunov so great is the same thing that makes the Brahms great , it is in superb taste .

So many sound like honey dripping off Perlman’s bow .


UK public education is similar to US model . If your economy rests on buying scraps of paper from someone who then sends you an I.O. U . you’d better keep them dumb . Even in private schools they neglect that .

I like some composers , like the Great Leos Janacek ,who use dissidence but with him it is logical with what he has to say which is a lot . Simple truth was revealed to me at uni by an eminent French philosopher . She said none born in the age of TV and rock will ever have the clarity of mind to write something like Bach or Mozart . Brain is rewired .


I spent a night in Ayr after landing at Preswick for the sole purpose of the Bobby Burns museum , you could do a lot worse laddy .



Well jim , IMO England and the Royal Racket have always used Scotland as cannon fodder and cheap labor . Simple .

The entire UK acts like the Queen is their mother , high road to never growing up .Makes a loser think he’s a winner .

I’m truly sad that Ayr has fallen on hard times .

But , though we may never see it the match is not over .If Norway can do it , certainly Scotland can do it as well .



Up to you jim , you could scarcely be blamed of anything .

I’ll stick to our combo of iI duce and maggy .

His spirit is in numerous places . Others go to school on him .


Vox made a  ton  of great stuff , I see one I buy it .





The Fountain Head, a towering Masterwork from one of Bach’s greatest influences . Played about as well as it CAN be played ! I have a fine USB DAC pluged in my computer with a pair of Beyer headphones playing this better than 90% of all Systems ! You are there for about 400 bucks .




https://youtu.be/OnQ6are1Ju0