CAT Preamps vs Amps


I'm a proud owner of a CAT JL2 amplifier. Most of the threads on Audigon say great things about CAT's amps JL 1-3. People laud over the musicality, transparency and dynamics of these amps. However, when it comes to the preamps (Signature and Ultimate versions), it seems like the reviews are a mixed bag. In many cases, some CAT amp owners use other preamps.

Therefore, are the current CAT preamps (Ultimate) as good as their amps in terms of musicality, transparency and
dynamics? Are they on par? If not where do they fall short compared to the amps? What are better matches?
aoliviero
Jafox,

I started rummaging through my tube drawer, because I know that I have a pair of Brimar's, but I think that they might 6922's rather than 12AX7's. Nevertheless, if I have them, I have tried them in the CAT before and am still stuck on the current Telefunken combination. When I find them, whether they are 12AX7 or 6922, I will evaluate them and report back on this thread.

I have noted that some Audiogoners tend to compare tubes across various tube equipment and I think this is a mistake. I find that while one might be able to make certain generalizations about a certain brand of tube, no matter in what piece of equipment it is used, generalizations that any tube is perfect, great or even good in nearly all equipment are a grave mistake. Characteristics which make a particular tube sound so right in one application are often completely absent when that tube is placed in another product. An example of this would be the Telefunken 6922: Rich, dynamic, with a very ripe midrange, great extension at both extremes in a CAT Ultimate, but undynamic, slightly bright and boring in the First Sound. The same could be said of a Siemens 7308: in the CAT, too forward in the midrange, a little thin-sounding and undynamic; in the F.S., exceptional dynamics, great imaging and midrange smoothes out. You really do have to compare tubes in the particular circuit in which they will be used. If you get too hung-up that a particular tube is great or terrible based on some previous experience in another piece of equipment, you may never hear your tube equipment to its best advantage. I have been surprised by this phenomenon several times.

Rayhall, I am describing the sound I heard with the CAT U2
in my system with stock tubes. As stated, replacing the stock 6922's and 12AX7's with Amperex was transformational.
I was considering the preamp for my next upgrade but am now looking to the digital front end as the weakest link.
So the preamp wasn't the problem, just the Sovtek 6922's.
The EI 12AX7's are decent but the Amperex are better. Yes the sound was as bad as I described with the stock tubes.

Bart
actually the phono stage is better than the line stage and the overall sound is musical and detailed. You could say the midrange is a bit lean. You need to spend alot of money to really improve overall sound. The amps are hands down the best on earth, period and that BASS!!!!ss amps run for cover...
my understanding is that the newer preamps from cat are limited to only amperex for rolling, and as we all know they are noisier and sloppy bass but yes, musical in.... the mids....enjoy!