Building high-end 'tables cheap at Home Despot II


“For those who want the moon but can't afford it or those who can afford it but like to have fun and work with their hands, I'm willing to give out a recipe for a true high-end 'table which is easy to do, and fun to make as sky's the limit on design/creativity! The cost of materials, including 'table, is roughly $200 (depending, more or less), and add to that a Rega tonearm. The results are astonishing. I'll even tell/show you how to make chipboard look like marble and fool and impress all your friends. If there's interest I'll get on with this project, if not, I'll just continue making them in my basement. The next one I make will have a Corian top and have a zebra stripe pattern! Fun! Any takers?”

The Lead in “Da Thread” as posted by Johnnantais - 2-01-04

Let the saga continue. Sail on, oh ships of Lenco!
mario_b
Hi Ghougary, I don't think plaster is overdamping, it being fairly neutral and non-absorptive. Give it a go! As to the bias weight, biasing is not an exact science, as the force actually changes as the needle travels across the LP, there is no absolute value. So I think the Lenco weight would be perfect, actually close to the size/mass of the original, which is quite small. Been really busy these days, but will be back with yet more Idler Impressions later ;-).

Had been away from home the last few days, and played Pink Floyd's The Wall, and while I was drinking pop from the bottle (bad me), I almost swallowed the bottle when the Lenco Dynamics came suddenly slamming out from a quiet introduction!! Forgot just how SLAMMING the Mighty Lenco/Idler was!! The words are "speed stability", true, in-practice, actually-playing-a-record, Speed Stability. There goes the one musical advantage digital has over vinyl! Back later for more ;-).
Hey Guy's,

I'm new to the idler thread, but have had my Garrard 301 for a good while now... still loving it too! I have a couple of questions I wonder if any of you have experience with.....

I have a strobe platter and original oil bearing. I have noticed lately that my bearing seems to be making some noise. I fully cleaned and lubed it when I bought the table and built it up and it looked really good. No scoring or anything (almost looked new). I am using a 30 weight oil in it..... Any thoughts??

Also my platter rings when I tap it. I have a Herbies mat on it which helps everything out (a super upgrade to the original). I am thinking about trying to get a friend with a wood lathe turn me one out of wood..... Kind of like the Teres. Anyone ever tried this?

I am even contemplating the Shindo platter bearing system, but it's incredibly pricey.

Thanks for any input

Chris
Hi Johnnantais,
I have my L78 apart, and to give myself some real "kick in the pants" motivation, am in the process of selling my 1987 LP-12. Of course I will construct a big,bad massive plinth from mdf/birch ply.
I would really like to use the Denon-103 MC and the Rega RB250/RB300 combo.What model of MC and arm or tweek would you suggest for a 1,000 Cdn budget? In your vast listening experience would it be sonically more beneficial to cut away that top right-hand part of the deck for a maple tonearm board or carefully cut a properly positioned hole in the deck?
As always, thank-you for starting this thread and sharing your experiences with us.
Igor
Hi Chris, from your description it sounds almost impossible the noise is coming from your bearing. Remove the idler wheel and simply spin the platter to see if there is any noise, make sure it is not coming from the idler-wheel. If it is indeed coming from the main bearing, then take it apart again, polish both the spindle and bushings with some sort of powdered metal cleaner, and then re-lube once it has been thoroughly dried. I use Mobil 1 10W30 for extra-quiet operation.

Hi Igor, in fact those who follow my writings know the Rega RB-300/Denon DL-103 is one of my favourite combos! So for roughly a grand I would buy the RB-300, spring for an Incognito kit, a Kerry Audio counterweight, and buy either a 103 or 103R, or a 103 and have it re-tipped by Soundsmith. The OC9 is also an excellent match to the RB-300, it has less SLAM/ PRaT than the Denon, but still quite good in this respect, and more delicacy/detail. As for the Lenco, given the acreage of the Giant Direct Coupled plinth, I no longer cut the corner off, I simply rotate the Lenco 90 degrees clockwise and build an armboard next to it which will accommodate short and long tonearms. Check out the later photos under my "system" for an idea.

And now for the promised diatribe on speed stability: yesterday the fellow came over who is waiting for a Lenco so he can kick out his Wilson Benesch Circle. He has much more invested in his digital rig than he does in his vinyl rig, and yet what did he remark on above all others things in listening to the Lenco? You got it, speed stability. As I wrote up above, the ONLY musical advantage (I did not say "convenience" or "silence", neither of which are musically-important) digital has over turntables is speed stability. This, it turns out, is due to the use of belts (and overly-complex DD circuitry, which still must combat the nefarious and serious Stylus Force Drag, or SFD), which of the three systems is least suited to combat SFD. And of the three systems only one was specifically designed to combat SFD, and that's the idler (political correctness and wishy-washy ersatz "wisdom" notwithstanding). Because when the idler-wheel system was first designed the stylii tracked at 10 grams and more, which required some serious muscle to counteract. Later on, when listening, it is evident that of the three systems the idler-wheel is STILL the best of them, as is evident when simply listening to them (properly set-up, of course).

So, all of those razor-sharp transients, that incredible PRaT and gestalt, that amazing bass SLAM and power and depth, the incredible detail, the astounding imaging and retrieval of the acoustic space, the naturalness, is due, indeed, to simple speed stability. The Giant plinth does act to quieten down the noise to astonishingly low levels, but it also serves to nail down the workings to increase even more that astounding speed stability. And the more stable the speed, the more all of the above attributes increase. And the way to improve the speed ability even more is to increase the mass of the plinth, and to direct couple it. In fact, I believe that much of the reported speed instabilities of the Garrards in particular (and the Thorens TD-124s) is due to the habit of isolating them from the plinth via rubber suspension/grommets/gaskets, which being springs, allow the 'tables so mounted to rotate, just like a Linn on its three unstable springs.

So, night after night up here I sit astounded, listening to my Lenco, after decades of use. How many 'tables can give such satisfaction over the years (and so reliably and painlessly with minimal upkeep), and not only satisfaction but constant amazement, excitement and power?

So, for all you digitophiles out there who claim to love music, imagine what would happen if the LP could match the CD (or DVD, or whatever else they are cooking up) for speed stability? Imagine what would happen if all the LPs' advantage in naturalness was accompanied by the transient speed and clarity of digital, but without the reconstruction by computer of the original waveform? You don't have to imagine, you only have to listen to a properly set-up idler-wheel drive, and hear the best of both worlds, which will never be achieved via computer chip. Get ye out and hear a Lenco or Garrard (or other large quality idler), Direct Coupled to a Giant CLD plinth!!! And all your dreams of musical reproduction in the home will be realized, aaahhhh, sweet satisfaction at last :-).
Has anyone filled in the center-top of the platter aside from the mumetal mod? On my first deck, I glued down the platter mat with contact cement. Then I realized there is a potentially resonant space in between the platter mat and the platter. Does this matter? Does it matter with the sloppy big alluminum disc in the middle of an L75 Platter Mat?