Best stand mounted monitors


I need your help please as I'm replacing my floor standing KEF Ref. Series 104/2 speakers with stand mounted monitors and probably a subwoofer due to the wife-acceptance-factor. I'm looking for comments from people who have listened to and hopefully compared the following monitor speakers that I'm considering:
(1) REFERENCE 3A - MM Decapo i
(2) PROAC - Response One SC or Tablette Ref. 8 Signature
(3) VON SCHWEIKERT - VR-1
(4) REVEL - M20 or the new M22 due out Q1 '04
(5) ATC - SCM 10-2 or SCM 20-2 either active or passive.

Other things you need to consider before offering your advice:
--> I will be replacing a very old Sherwood receiver with a new tube preamp and either tube or SS amp. I'll get the speakers first and then match the amp to it.
--> my room is about 4,800 cubic ft (40*15*8) and is average "aliveness" so having a higher sensitive speaker (e.g. >89dB) is desirable as it'll will mean less power required. I listen mostly to jazz with some R&B and classical.
--> budget is around US$2K-$3K (new retail price)
--> Id like to buy a REL subwoofer to match (e.g. Stadium II or III)

Many thanks.
kevinzoe
Dawgbyte,
I couldn't find any speakers by Gryphon at the link you provided. I thought Gryphon only made electronics (i.e. preamps, amps, integrated, a CD player) and not speakers . . . Could you provide more info or a direct link to the speaker on their web site as I couldn't find it?
Thanks.

Kevinzoe
Kevinzoe, try this link to the Cantata:

http://www.gryphon-audio.dk/default2.asp

Here are the design specs and other information.

- World's first loudspeaker operating in perfect relative phase at all frequencies
- Separate Linkwitz-Greiner Q Controller with preset and custom settings for ideal low frequency integration in any room
- Hand-adjusted crossover network individually optimized for each loudspeaker
- Acoustic second-order 12 dB/octave Linkwitz-Riley crossover network isolated in integral speaker stand for perfect relative phase at all frequencies
- Time-aligned front baffle for identical arrival time from all drivers at the listening position
- Symmetrical vertical driver array for ideal point source presentation
- Customized, extensively modified Danish drive units
Triple-magnet bass/midrange motor system for maximum force and precise focus
- Special cone surround termination to eliminate edge reflections
- 29 mm high frequency driver with ventilated pole piece and sealed rear chamber for low resonance frequency
- Specially developed sloped aluminum tweeter baffle with damping layer
- Sealed enclosure with extensive internal bracing
- Combination of pure wool and synthetic interior damping materials
- Real-wood finish options, including virtually unlimited custom finishes
- Designed and built in Denmark

Gryphon Audio Designs stands at the vanguard of home entertainment design and engineering. Founded in 1986, Gryphon achieved immediate global acclaim for the state of the art performance, intuitive ergonomics and stunning beauty of the cost-no-object Gryphon preamplifiers and power amplifiers.

Now, the Gryphon Cantata loudspeaker system reaps the benefits of the vast body of technical knowledge and experience accumulated by Gryphon at the cutting edge of audio engineering.

Designed and built by our dedicated, conscientious team of award-winning engineers, Gryphon Cantata sets a new highwater mark for sonic realism and emotional involvement with bold innovative design that will be a handsome addition to any contemporary interior.

The arrival of the Gryphon Cantata forces us to seek out entirely new descriptive paradigms in order to convey the full magnitude of its achievement.

A Monumental Achievement Without the Monument
We didn’t set out to build a compact floor-standing loudspeaker. We set out to build the best possible loudspeaker, one truly worthy of the Gryphon name. When we applied Gryphon’s assembled expertise in a unified effort to re-think the every aspect of the process of loudspeaker design and assembly, questioning what had been accepted wisdom for nearly a century, we soon discovered that there was simply no reason to make it bigger. And lots of sound reasons to keep it compact.

At Gryphon, decades of experience have taught us this crucial lesson: What is left out can make even more difference than what goes in. By attacking the familiar problems of loudspeaker design from this fresh perspective, Gryphon’s engineers acquired new knowledge and understanding that offered a unique opportunity to optimize every aspect of loudspeaker performance in a system of greater beauty and more modest dimensions than ever before seen at this exalted level of quality.

A Celebration of Beauty
Because the Gryphon Cantata so radically re-defines loudspeaker performance, we felt it appropriate that it should also re-define the loudspeaker’s role as a physical object in the domestic landscape, as a thing of beauty to be celebrated in its own right.

To set the Gryphon Cantata apart as a work of audio art, High-gloss black Methacrylate and black Nappa are standard finishes. Side panels are also available in High-gloss black, American Walnut Burl and Black Anodized aluminum. Optional finishes include Vavona Veneer, Ebony Veneer, Perforated Steel, black rubber and other distinctive finishes. For a truly customized finish, panels can be upholstered with textiles, carpeting, fur, leather or just about anything you can imagine. Your Gryphon dealer can assist you in creating a uniquely personalized Cantata System.

Gryphon Cantata finish options are limited only by your imagination.

Thinking Outside the Box
To fully understand the towering accomplishment that the Gryphon Cantata loudspeaker represents, consider the contradictory demands that a loudspeaker must live up to. It must be able to reproduce the highest audible frequencies by carefully controlling the microscopic motion of a nearly weightless diaphragm that vibrates up to 20,000 times per second, yet it must also displace massive amounts of air to reproduce the soul-shaking rumble of a church organ.

Elegance and Brute Force
To use a metaphor from the animal kingdom, a loudspeaker must offer the speed, elegance and accuracy of a lion (for mid and high frequencies) along with the brute strength of an elephant (for bass frequencies). But put a lion and an elephant together in the same cage and they will only hurt each other. This is exactly what happens in a conventional loudspeaker as it attempts to cope which the challenges of achieving undistorted, full-range frequency response.

The central problem here is the traditional brute force approach to bass that remains virtually unchanged after nearly a century: The largest possible driver with the largest possible motor system attempts to shift the largest possible air mass. This approach can produce impressive results if all you want to do is measure bass response in free air or under anechoic conditions. But under real-world conditions in real living spaces, all bets are off.

The simple fact is that no loudspeaker can be better than the room allows it to be, particularly at lower frequencies where the room’s unwanted contribution is greatest. To eliminate this major obstacle, Gryphon has executed a detailed analysis of the complex room-speaker interface and devised a reliable, scientifically sound solution, the Gryphon Cantata Q Controller.

Working with the Room
Built to the same exacting standards as the acclaimed Gryphon range of audio amplification components, the Gryphon Cantata Q Controller ensures outstanding room integration for extended, natural room-independent deep bass to match the stunning clarity and resolution of the mid and upper frequencies. Described briefly, the Q Controller exploits an acoustical phenomenon known as room gain, the fact that in any room, the enclosed space will reinforce frequencies below the room resonance frequency by 12 dB per octave. Since loudspeaker system( sealed ) response rolls off by 12 dB/octave below the loudspeaker's resonance frequency, it is possible to calculate complementary resonance and Q values for the loudspeaker and for the room in order to obtain resonance-free bass response extending down to DC (zero Hz).

Due to the room-specific nature of resonance and Q, the Gryphon Cantata Q Controller offers a range of adjustment options as well as a slot for installation of a custom value. Once system Q and room Q are defined for your particular room, bass frequencies are coupled ideally to the room and are reproduced in perfect phase with the upper frequency range.

Think of it as teaching a lion to do an elephant’s job, using intelligence, instead of brute force.

This unique approach to low frequency reproduction offers numerous audible benefits that have profound positive impact on other critical performance parameters.

Integrating Style and Sound
Because the Gryphon Cantata works with the room, not against it, compact bass drivers can be utilized with smaller, lighter cones that respond more rapidly and more accurately to the music signal. Since the Q-controlled Cantata system requires far less internal volume for full-bodied deep bass, the Cantata enclosure is substantially smaller than comparable high end loudspeakers without sacrificing performance. A smaller cabinet also provides enhanced structural integrity, reducing any risk of vibration or panel resonance.

A Solid Foundation
The compact drivers permit a narrower front baffle as an ideal, stable platform for the highly customized drive units. Gryphon’s specially developed 5” driver with coated fibre glass cone and a unique rubber suspension delivers new levels of openness and precision across the crucial midrange. The oil-cooled high-frequency driver with coated textile dome and specially designed stainless steel surround has been optimized for low distortion, high power handling and exceptional resolution of fine detail.

The bass drivers above and below the high-frequency driver in the symmetrical vertical array are equidistant from the listening position and are precisely angled, so that the three drivers form an ideal virtual point source. To eliminate edge reflections, the front baffle features smooth surfaces with no protruding edges. Strategically placed Nappa and Grand Piano felt aid in minimizing diffraction.

Patented Assembly Techniques
Gryphon Cantata employs patented manufacturing techniques, a unique combination of materials and bold contemporary design to create a sonically invisible enclosure for the drive units. Extensive internal bracing and bitumen damping ensure rigidity and high inner damping.

The integral Cantata stand is assembled using the same manufacturing techniques to form a non-resonant chassis for the crossover network. Based on carefully selected components in a layout calculated to eliminate electromagnetic interaction, each Cantata crossover is individually trimmed and fine-tuned by hand to ensure an exceptional level of consistent high performance.

The Cantata high-frequency driver is housed in an integrated baffle machined from a 3 kg block of solid aluminum. A removable steel bar protects the dome.

For additional information or for the opportunity to audition the Gryphon Cantata in person, please accept our cordial invitation to visit the showroom of your local authorized Gryphon dealer. A select number of audio salons whose staff share our commitment to excellence have been appointed to guide you on your way to the Gryphon experience.
For my ears the best "bang-for-the-buck" are the Totem Model 1 signatures. But be prepared to feed them with a strong amp.
I have compared the Mani with the Model 1 signatures while sitting right beside Vince himself. I commented to him I thought the Model 1's sounded cleaner. He admitted he compromised the midrange on the Model 1 to add base for the Mani.
Go with the Model 1, signature if you can > it's worth the extra$$.
If you like the kefs and want a pair of stand mounted monitors might I suggest the KEF KM1's. These are self powered (3000 total watts) studio monitor mains. You can contact me at scotthieb@aol.com for more information.
Why don't you try Dynaudio?
One of the best monitors: Contur 1.1, Contur 1.3 and variations.
Good Luck!