Dear @mahlman : If it's true that my ADS speakers are old it's true that this is not the first time I made or make a re-capping in the crossovers.
As a fact I already spended hundreds of dollars testing/changing the original caps with different boutique caps including: Duelun, Mundorf, Jantzen, V-caps, Sonicraft and the like and WIMA outperformed all the boutique caps.
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Sorr my mistake: the caps speakers are matched not at 0.04 but at 0.4%.
The other " finger " mistake is that must read: I can be wrong and not what I writed: " I can't be wrong " because any one can makes mistaKES OR HAS MISUNDERSTOODS, including me or even experts. I'm not an expert.
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Dear friends : I already tested those fenomenal WIMA caps in the bass range crossovers.
Now, my speakers has 100% hard wired WIMA caps and at each filter caps crossover are matched in between with a very low tolerance of .04% of capacitance.
I don't know how important is that speakers caps match but my mind is more calm with.
In this thread a gentleman posted that is almost easy to be aware of caps changes in the mi and high frequency ranges and that he thougth that is difficult to be aware in the bass range.
Well my today first hand experiences is way different.
In the past and in several different threads I posted that as better quality performance levels in your speakers bass range as better the whole system quality level performance and through this outstanding ( and I mean it. ) experiences with Wima I confirm again that statement and not only with my system but with several other systems.
Other than that hum that disapeared with no know reason the first way different listening sound that really impress me was the female voice " body " that aquired with those caps, I have not other word but body to explain what I heard and hear.
Second sound characteristic iwas and is with piano recordings where we literally can " see " the piano chords vibrations as if we been the piano player, just fenomenal ! !
Third was and is the extremely clear and precise definition of bass range notes/harmonics that you can follow/distingish as never before, just like in a near field live MUSIC event.
It's not only about bass range definition and resolution but a true overall foundation for the whole MUSIC system experiences.
Now, that kind of bass range very high quality levels makes that the mid and high frequency ranges achieved new quality levels: whcih quality levels?, you just name it and are there.
Yes, now I can appreciated many recorded information that was " hidden " through room/system distortions of every kind.
@grannyring posted in this thread:
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while the Wima caps are masking it. This would make sense as the Wima caps are not top class in resolution or refinement . """
Resolution?, well my take with a cap is not about resolution but sounds degradation. At the end the crossover caps job is to let the signal pass through but the signal frequency filtered/blocked.
I can't be wrong with that statement but is my take. Now, WIMA caps makes exactly that: lest pass the signal with out DEGRADATION you can be aware and the high-end caps just can't do that simple job because those added colorations are not other thing that signal degradation, added distortions to the valuable and sensitive MUSIC signal.
When any one of you could make what I already did it you will fall in count all the why's of my statements
It's not that WIMA works in my system because I?M totally sure it works in any " decent " room/system. There is no reason with this/that kind of proved solid true engeneering that Wima has and makes they are the industrial standard.
Btw, I already received the Powertron/Vishay crossover resistors that I will connect maybe in 10-15 days now and I will report on it and how works against the Duelunds I'm using.
Regards and enjoy the MUSIC NOT DISTORTIONS,
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Dear friends : I already soldered the caps and not yet listened nothing because I have no time to do it but I swirtch on the whole system to check nothing gone " wrong " with my job and something really good happened.
Things are that for whatever reasons the lice source system selection is as always dead silence but before the Wima bass range changes something change it about noise level through the analog switch selection:
my phononolinepreamp always was and is dead silence with any cartridge but from some time now through analog I had a hum noise in the rigth side subwoofer. I checked everything including the cables paths and even inside my phonolinepreamp unit and that hum noise just stays there an audible when SPL are rounding the 90db.
Well, guess what that hum noise just disappeared through the Wima bass range changes.
Have I an explanation about? not for sure but now that the V-caps " disappeared " the hum gone with too.
Any explanation from some one of you? or an advise about?
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Dear @grannyring and friends: through this thread I " learned " a lot and for me it's not of personal preferences bias but for me is: what is rigth and what is wrong, no matters what I like .
In this thread my internal " mouse " made " click " when I made an overall research through the net about caps and read carefully a lot of information and along that all my past first hand experiences: good experiences and bad experiences too.
WIMA as Analog Devices or Texas Instruments are not corporations dedicated to the audio high end, as a fact all them just does not cares about we audiophuiles needs.
Those kind of item corporation are world INDUSTRIAL supliers for any kind of industries as: all digital industry, military industry, aero space or aeronautic enterprises, car manufacturers, medical industry and any one you can name it.
Why all the industry goes with them and other same kind of caliber suppliers? because the world industry are not looking for " snake oil " ( as us, including me. ) but they are looking for a matured and proved solid engeneering.
That's why I pull the triguer with the Powertron resistors when I remember of Vishay corporation that is an industrial supplier. I was willing to buy Path Audio resistors but this is a high end audio supplier not the Vishay levels.
Look, which kind of solder are we using?, normally audio high-end like: Audio Note, WBT, Mundorf, Oyaide and the like.
Well I already used all those and several other coming from different " manufacturers " in the audio high-end market but from a few months now I'm using a specialist INDUSTRIAL solder supplier: AIM, nothing comes nearer to it and they have several kind of alloys, flux, etc, etc and even receive custom orders from the industry and manufacture in specific for that customer.
Well, we can't find out Wima cap´s or AIM solder in the high end catalog suppliers as HiFi Collectve or Parts conextion or M.Pertcy, you can name it.
Unfortunatelly we audiophiles are not accustomed to those great great INDUSTRIAL suppliers products that are way way a head of the normal high end products.
I know the high end industry is not rigth but wrong or not so good as we could think.
The fuses threads is a clear example of what I'm talking about and people die for that snake oil fuses. I was there but fortunatelly today I just don't use any input fuses in my system.
No, it's useless to test the ODAM cap´s or the Path Audio resistors. I go for that mature and proved solid INDUSTRIAL engeneering.
Please think about and better than that any one of you or all give you an opportunity to " feel " the reality/true of what you are listening even if you are way satisfied.
Try to be opened for what you never experienced before: why not ? what can you lost?
Btw, the ADS bass range cap value spec is 100uf and my WIMA measured 101.2 and 101.6 on each channel and are caps with 20% tolerance specs.
Regards and enjoy the MUSIC NOT DISTORTIONS,
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Dear @grannyring : Certainly I'm not anti-audiophile and has not a bias in that direction because I'm an audiophile too. I'm against not true/faithful " musical " audio items. You can read in my Agon virtual system my main system/audio targets and I'm building a room/system to stay nearer to those audiophile/Music lover targets. From some years now I use only SS electronics, no tubes any more because tube technology is not faithful to the near field MUSIC live experience. Tubes are noisy, has higher distortions, low whole resolution and very bad at both frequency extremes. I owned and tested from the Ongaku-On by Audio Note to entry level tube electronics and some old times I was in love with the tube " fake " sound till I learned. A good SS electronic design is way superior and overall has a very high resolution and accuracy with very low noise and distortions of every kind where you can't hide nothing because any weak ling in the system chain will go out when in the tube electronics the weak links are hidden behind all the tube poor technology. Take a look about the boutique caps the audiophile normal caps where in electronics are used mainly with tube electronics. The very first site page in the ODAM V-cap shows the ODAM caps inside a tube electronics and the 90% of the " great " comments came from tube electronics owners. Same with Jupiter or Duelund where tubes natural failure technology cover the true behind those " magic " caps. Jupiter site: """ Beeswax HT Cryo Capacitors – RoundA classic design utilizing modern materials and knowledge without forgetting original manufacturing techniques. You will get exceptional detail and nuance, and most importantly great tone. "
and most importantly great tone.
IMHO a cap is not a tone device but must be a totally neutral one.
WIMA caps are totally neutral caps that can tell you your electronics or systems failures. Are straigth caps where nothing can hide behing a " glamorous " cap performance and maybe is that charactyeristic of Wima what normally we don't like it because we are not accustomed to that faithful to MUSIC kind of sound.
WIMA caps permit that a good SS designs or speakers can shows it at its best, obviously that exist not so good SS designs and the Wima can tell tus that not so good design.
WIMA caps is a true challenge for any room/audio system, it'0s not only a cap but a true challenge as it's the today digital alternative.
I'm not against tubes, I'm against average/mediocre quality performance levels because I already experienced that kind of levels coming from tubes and from SS too. These first hand experiences improved my discriminating test comparison/evaluations.
Yes, is only my opinion but is shared for other audiophiles that listened my system. No, my system is far away from be perfect. Nothing is perfect and I always am in the quest ofv that " perfection ". I work with facts according my room/system targets and even that I don't listen yet the WIMA in the speaker bass range till today WIMA puts me nearer to those targets.
As I said before I respect a lot your opinion and our disagreements comes by our different ( not so different I think ) targets. I mean not so different because you and me first than all are music lovers that at the end is what really matters.
Our audio hobby is full of fun learning fun.
Today I finished the interconnect both six caps set for the crossovers and I want tomorrow to solder it to the speakers and give at least 24 hours of continuos playing for the WIMA settle down, so maybe this Saturday I can begin with the specific evaluation of the caps in that frequency range.
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Dear @grannyring : Yesterday I decided to test the ODAM at the extremely critical amplifiers input position but unfortunatelly the ODAM does not comes yet with so low values as the 0.033uf that is need it.
Reading through the V-caps site and reading the customers comments nothing says is way different than a " boutique " level caps but I can't attest it till V-cap could liberate lower values as the one I need it.
As other V-cap customer opinions you use one of same words: " magic ".
It's an audiophile word that I normally don't like to use because in audio as in other overallindustry " magic " just does not exist.
What exist is solid mature engeering or not so solid/good engeneering.
Yes,I know " magic " is only an expresion but....
Btw, today I willfinish to " assemble " the 6 caps need it foreach speaker bass range. This assemble is way time consuming due that the Wima caps are designed to use in circuit boards not hard wired as I do and its output pins are to short for an easy task about.
I hope it will be worth this time consuming effort.
Regards and enjoy the MUSIC NOT DISTORTIONS,
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Dear @grannyring : I read many good things about those Path Audio resistors and maybe if the Powertron/Vishay ones does not works at the Wima levels then I will go for the Path Audio. As a fact before I found out the Vishay/Powertron ones Path Audio was at the very top of my resistor list. Thank's to confirm its high quality.
About theODAM I will call Chris to talk on the ODAM vs the Teflon Cu. Chris is an audiophile and I knowhim very well and he can tell me the " true " about because he knows will be a confidential call.
Rigth now my priority are the bass range Wima caps.
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All snake oil items are the " Ultimate ".
R. |
Dear @grannyring : Your last post is comendable for many things. One is that makes me think. What is a capacitor? a very simple device and I don't have to explain you niothing about but anyway here is a wide explanation:
http://web.mit.edu/viz/EM/visualizations/notes/modules/guide05.pdf
No rocket science at all. Now, what want we that happen through a speaker crossover caps?: restrict/limit the frequency that will pass through with out adding or losting nothing else. It's simple job. The signal permited to pass trough must pass with out any alteration it has to pass straigth to make no harm and with out add " colorations " that at the end means distortions over a wide frequency range due that are not only the main notes but the developed harmonics.. So its job is simple but critical in importance. Wima makes that in that way: straigth, no harm, no colorations/distortions. TYhe boutique ones can't do it yet. Makes sense to you that the frequency signal is " looking for ": paper, wax or oil? This kind of designed caps has no scientific facts that can corroboret the needs of those materials that were used 70 years ago in the radio caps. I'm not engineer and makes no sense to me, maybe I can be wrong but after first hand experiences with several boutique caps I know something is way wrong down there. Btw, in this thread a gentleman linked information where we can see how bad measured Duelund caps and I posted that with its resistors is not better because it measures bad too. In the other side I decided to change the Duelund resistors I'm using in the crossovers and I alredy put the order for Powertron that is a Vishay group member. Talking of resistors Vishay is what Wima is with caps: a true industry standard and by coincidence both are german enterprises. Btw, Powertron build the latest top Mundorf resistors. R. |
Deasr @grannyring : Well, I'm talking and linked no-cost object audio items. I can't agree with you on the price subject. The gentleman that has 250K for a pair of amplifiers certainly has 300K easily too and he will be willing to pay that no-object price. All these products are designed and manufactured with no market price limitations, in this $$$$ market as higher the price the better. "
They fit well on modern circuit boards. They are on spec and available in great quantities. They are good at what they do for sure. "" agree with but the small size because Wima has to many years in the market with the same cap sizes even the ones we can see on vintage electionics. """
Lastly, they just sound good, not great, but do little or no harm to the design. "" agree: are harmless, this characteristic is one that made that I sticked to Wima when in the past every where I seen a Wima always take out and changed for a " boutique " one or something " better ". " Sounds good, not great.... "" well the first step is that something can sounds good, this always is an advantage. Sounds " great " is something really elusive for me today other than Wima because before Wima I was listening great quality sound using boutique caps. The difference today is that that " old " great was in reality " fully coloration " not harmless/signatureless. Difference is coloration against only the it self MUSIC natural color through the Wima adding or losting almost nothing. I wish you could listen my system and caps comparisons on it. This is not only my opinion is shared too for some of my audio friends that already took the experiences in my system that all them knew very well. Two of them will take the Wima alternative in their systems. Other disturbing information is the one that any one of us can read in that " Humble....." caps whole comparisons when you can read there this about the V-cap Teflon Cu: """
Verdict: add about 2 points to whatever capacitor you are connecting it in parallel to. """
that is exactly the same veredict for the Duelung Ag caps.
Wima FKPS1 outperformed the V-cap with easy. Cap of 0.033uf.
Btw, this are the Wima caps I received today:
https://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/WIMA/MKP1D052207J00MSSD?qs=dTJS0cRn7ogR%2FgtMmKhxzQ%3D%3D
as we can read tolerance is 20% and I already measured and 6 of the 8 caps measured: 21.3uf and the other 2- 21.1uf
In the next two days I will try to make the time to connect the Wima caps and I will test the 4 need it Wima for each speaker plus the 10uf need it to arrive near 100uf but because I still have the Alumen Z in 10uf I will try and latter on I will try with the 10uf Wima cap and see what happens.
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Dear @grannyring : I respect a lot your opinion and maybe in the near future you can give a new opportunity to the Wima caps in the speaker crossovers given the rigth time for you can " accustom " to the different Wima sound quality levels. Yes, the lead outs are steel but Wima engeneering is not only one part of the caps but the sum of those parts and the inside Wima caps engeneering is way solid with no snake oils as almost all the boutique caps and we can enjoy Wima at a laughing price. I just received the caps for the bass range. If you remember I need 100uf at each filter crossover and I will do with 4 22uf caps plus a 10uf cap. All MKP-10 model. In the other side which could be an explanation on why through electronic designs you open any item and you can see Wima down there even in way expensive audio items as Dartzeel or CH : https://dartzeel.com/en/ http://www.theaudiobeat.com/visits/ch_precision_upgrade_addition.htm Those electronics goes over 50K-60K each item. Or D'Agostino 250K amplifiers:
https://www.dandagostino.com/products/relentless-monoblock.php
You can look elsewhere and you will find out Wima caps. I don’t think that the Wima MKP10s goes only with my heavy tweacked ADS speakers and by " coincidence " goes the FKP1 in the Levinson’s input where outperformed the V-caps teflon Cu ! ! I certainly can be wrong but what I don’t think is that Wima is wrong. To many years in the cap business that makes Wima an overall industry true standard,. Coincidence too? Give you the opportunity and give a second chance to Wima, you can’t lost nothing but your time and maybe just maybe can have unexpected rewards. R. |
Dear friends: After all those wonderful Wima caps experiences through the crossover changes in my speakers now I’m really exited because tomorrow I will receive the Wima caps for the bass range crossover.
We will see the Wima behavior in this range and the overall speakers Wima re-caps quality perforfance levels.
Obviously that I will report about.
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Gladiator Original Soundtrack film ( ORG.) : the achilles heel analog alternative ( same as in tubes alternative. ) are both frequency extremes,specially bass range.
Well, now the analog version of this recording almost even the digital ( CD ) medium at high frequencies and is nearest than ever in its bass range ( mainly deep bass. ) to the CD version and this surprise me an unexpected even that I already knew Wima quality levels.
Btw, normally I like the dialogue with other audiophile
s but I can see that does not exist interest from your part not to test Wima but even to talk about and this thread, unfortunatelly, converted in a monologue.
I know that if the topic is about Wima caps where you have not lately experiences with then you have not nothing to say about and this per sè says that ( as me. ) no one looks back/side to these Wima cheap and humble capacitors because as me we almost all are boutique items followers.
I'm extremely happy that I already liberated of that boutique caps stampede where " no one knows why runs but needs to follows running in that direction " because this is what is an stampede and I was there for almost all my audio life in several audiophiles items. Maybe I'm still there with one or two audio items, I have to check and try like with Wima: think again " out of the box ".
Anyway, is up to each one of us.
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Dear friends : I know that it's intimidating not only to test the Wima cap´s in your systems but even to make or give a positive opinion on the Wima qualñity level performance.
Well, I left/stop to listen ( on purpose. ) my system ( anlog/digital/radio. ) for more than 7 days now to " liberate " my brain/ears of the Wima sound and the big surprise that showed and this week end with " fresh ears " started to listen sessions and " see " what happens and what happened was a huge confirmation that the rigth road has a new name WIMA and nothing else. I think that we can like it or not but we can't cover up the sun with one finger, sooner or later will shines.
Here some of what I listened and some kind of evaluation about, I decided to go with analog because is more tweak than digital ( I listen a little to digital too. ):
Paramita by He Xun Tian ( Wind Music label. ): this is a recording using asian instruments including drums, instruments total unknow for people like me with sounds that we are not accustom too. Percussive instruments ( several ), female voice and chorus and drums:
it's an overwhelming experience of joy, very demanding recording for any system and the Wima makes a wonderful job as no any other caps I tested in the past. Talk with audiophile adjectives could be useless.
The Köhln Concert Keith Jarrett ( ECM. ): for the first time in my life I listened in a row the 4 concert parts and twice the one part of that concert. It was and is a wonderful life lesson that wake up in any person feelings of any kind you can imagine or dream. The mastery and skills of KJ are overwhelming too and we can attest it over all the concert but especially in the last 7-8 minutes of the part one.
M. Davis at the Black Hawk ( CBS. ) : I always like Miles " muted or open " and in this recording with the great Wynton Kelly in the piano obviously Chambers at the bass and J.Cobs at drums alond Hank Mobley sax.
With his horn open or muted Miles was just sublime but with the Wima that sublime is " years ahead " anything you can imagine and not only him because in the Hank solos that sax " cry ".
Time Out D.Brubeck Quartet ( CBS ): ovbiouslly Desmond at sax and Morello on drums EW in the bass.
I know that almost every one already listened take five or blue rondo a la turk tracks and I know for sure that never listened with that kind of vibrancy and new discovery rythm than now. Desmond was in his " glory " in this LP as Brubeck and Morello.
Dafos Mikey Hart ( RR. ): a very demanding full recording using a lot of players playing percussive instruments from Brasil, Africa and Indonesia including big big drums.
All the side 2 in the LP is demanding in extreme ( especially at over 95db SPL's ) and I know that in several system we can't hear not only the " melody " but to distinguish with precision each single percussive instruments and very dificult not only for the kigh SPL but because are involved by " dozens " different instruments.
Wima has that capacity because does not adds nothing and let pass trough every nuances, details and the like.
Solti at the Opera ( London: not very good recording but I tested because in the past I listened an undefinied " sound " of deep bass babbling as this was an error during the LP recording but it was not an error and is a true " sound " that comes from the subway where the Royal Opera House is seated. With the Wima that babbling takes definition and is at deep bass. It does not happens in continuity through the recording but by pauses like at the begin Side 2 track 1 first 2 minutes of Semiramide Overture ( Rossini. ). Btw, in some RCA reissues by Chesky recordings I had similar experiences.
Montserrat Caballé ( RCA ) : Side 1 Norma by Bellini: Casta Diva when you hear Montserrat here you want cry of joyness and I mean it. Same happens in the Side 2 Lucrecia Borgia by Donizzeti.
The Montserrat voice is as it's coming from " heaven " was a give to Montserrat a excelse give and a unique give. Her talent is out of this world and a challenge for sopranos as regarded like Sutherland or La Divina M.Callas.
Exist no single instrument so complete, so dramatic, so impressive, so tender, with so huge power, so full of emotions that the Montserrat voice, nothing compares her gives.
The Royal Ballet Gala Performances Anserment ( RCA. ): in the Nutcracker Suite the 2 and 4 excerpts ( Dance of the Plum Fairy and Chinise Dance. ) we can note with how much aplomb and delicancy the Celesta and percussive instruments are playing. Not an easy task at the levels that Wima puts it.
@grannyring no, I don't will try the ODM new caps due that could be useles due that Wima clearly outperformed the V-caps teflon Cu .
Regards and enjoy the MUSIC NOT DISTORTIONS,
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Dear firends: I was and am thinking why took me so many years to " arrive " with Wima and this is my take about:
if it's true that we are MUSIC lovers before anything else in audio it's true too that we are audiophiles members of the " high-end " and as we are not " normal " audio gentlemans we always are looking for best audio devices to enhance our room/system and obviously to enhance our enjoy when listen/reproduce MUSIC at our places,
So we are " followers " of news discoveries for some one some where or just through marketing ads and magazines reviews or through audio dealers.
Several of tghose " discoveries " are really snake oils but no matters what we have to try it and test if function or not.
Normally that snake oil in the high-end comes along high prices because if the price is low no one of us turn over the head to look at.
From that kind of audiophile attitude came several audio products/boutique products like: fuses, cables, capacitors, anti-vibrational devices, pens for CDs, to many to name it but you know what I mean.
So my self as a follower never turn out my head to Wima caps even that each time I opened or seen inside electronics always found out those " poor " Wima caps. My way of thinking in the past ( till two weeks ago. ) was not only that Wima " can't do it " but I really never think on Wima caps I never think to use it instead the very well regarded ( regarded mainly by audiophiles but for reviewers and distributors. Internet is full of how good and its high differences with no boutique caps and that's why we go for it. I don't say sounds bad, I already said and before my Wima discovery that all those boutique caps are colored ones and from those colorations comes the audiophiles adjectives of its " great " performance quality. ) boutique caps. Wima was just out of my mind till now.
There is no return when we use Wima. I don't know if in the future could comes a true challenge for Wima because according my full experiences over 40+ audio years no other caps can " touch " Wima.
Yes, I'm happy with and listening more hours daily my system, as I said it's addictive.
That's Wima true German engeneering that no one audiophile touted never, at least I did not read it.
Enough, I have to come back following enjoying MUSIC because this is all about.
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Dear friends: Please read all this page to know whom is Wima to have not a misunderstood as I did it for several years:
https://www.wima.de/en/
Here are the two models I'm using. Same, read it individually and look the kind of information that Wima gives us and you can compare it against say Duelund:
https://www.wima.de/en/our-product-range/pulse-capacitors/
Regards and enjoy the MUSIC NOT DISTORTIONS, R. |
Next move: speaker woofer crossovers and FKP-1 instead the MKP-10 in the tweeter and band pass crossover filters.
The MKP-10 rigth now are performed excellent but I did not know before that the FKP-1 are for Wima the high end caps for this application. That's why I bougth it for the input Levinson's caps and you already read the success.
Btw, I still own several caps: Duelund, Mundorf, Sonicraft, V-caps, Jantzen, etc, etc, I have no regret or any compliant for all the money that I already spend for. This was the learning price and I'm now really happy to do it because it's the only true way: " to know ". Now and after so many years I'm where I want it but that never before knew how to achieve/arrive there/here.
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Dear friends: As I said before I had not high expectations changing the Wima FKP-1 instead the V-caps Teflon Cu at the input of my Levinson’s amplifiers.
I have to say that even that I bougth the 10% tolerance model in Wima ( because the 5% was out of stock. ) the capacitance was dead rigth: 0.033 uf with no deviation, in this regards better than the V-caps accuracy.
I had not big expectations if we think that the price of the Teflon Cu is 100.00 each one against 4.00 for the each Wima ! ! and that before this change I made it changes with Wima caps in the speaker crossover mid-range/band-pass/tweeter filters and before these speaker changes my system performed with really good quality performance level and high resolution where the Wima improved by a wide margin that quality performance levels and resolution.
Now, what is happening after I take out the V-caps and solder the FKP-1 in the Levinson’s?:
To say that the FKP-1 outperformed the Tweflon Cu could be a misunderstood because it did not outperformed but just " disappeared/burned " it so easy that it’s hard ( inclusive to me that I was in love with the V-caps. ) not only to believe it but to imagine it but it’s: beats totally the Teflon Cu ! ! ! ? ? !!!!
We have to think that through that input 0.033uf caps goes all the frequency range from around 60hz-80hz, that’s that affects the whole room/system performance levels. Due to that it’s a critical change.
First detected improvement was and is in the mid-bass where overhang or bloated performance gone and now the mid-bass has the tigthness as in live MUSIC ( overall IMD improved/goes lower. ) this made it that the over tones been improved too and that mid-range frequency recieved benefits about as the HF range too. Noise floor continued going lower and lower and the instruments notes are purer than ever. I don’t know how but in each frequiency range gone all " veils " and rigth now I have only MUSIC with out any sign of distracting " artifacts/colorations/distortions " and the like. It’s severely addictive and obviously a way new experiences for me and not only in my system but in any room/systems I listened trhough 40+ years.
I have no words to explain it because all the audiophile top adjectives has no " place " here because maybe you can’t understand it till you could listen for first time in your audio life that kind of system audio experiences.
If you have enough near field live MUSIC experiences what I can tell you is that I never before had that live MUSIC experiences.
The improvements are not in a few areas but in the whole quality and resolution performance levels. It’s a new audio world that I can asure you you just can’t imagine exist any where in a room/system but exist.
This is what I posted after the spekers crossover changes:
" In the Lyn Stanley Potions recording and in the very first track in the first minute ( at the end of that first minute. ) that started the track we can listen a very delicated high frequency strokes in a triangle, very delicated and with the Wima exist a very high definition with a precense so vivid ( not organic. ) that you can’t be in other way but impressed for it. """
Rigth now all those were converted in a crystaline and palpable sound.
I don’t know if you remember what I posted about the Gladiator recording in reference to the swords sound hitting in between with great clarity and rigth now you even can detect almost the angle in that those swords are hitting together is not outstanding but incredible.
Through the listening sessions you can be aware that the Wima caps are or permit that the signal pass through it starigth adding or losting " almost " nothing and I said " almost " because I can’t detect detriment in any way: there is nothing in between the MUSIC and you but MUSIC and only the MUSIC and emotions developed for.
That’s what Wima caps are: pure perfect engeneering with a way high quality excecution to the caps design through several years to be the audio industry true standard.
I consider useless to talk or compare Wima against Duelund, Juipiter, Mundorf, V-caps and the like: just no contest, no other caps I experienced represent a real challenge for Wima. Wima is in a diferent league, for now.
I’m lucky to think " out of the box " that permits me find out the " losted link ".
You don’t have to beleive me you only have to change your Duelunds or what ever caps you have for the inexpensive Wima and listen for your self and after that I invite you to share your experiences with us.
I think thaT IT’S NOT THAT THE WIMA WORKS FINE WITH MY SPEAKER AND ELECTRONICS I THINK THAT COULD WORKS FINE IN ANY SYSTEM IF WE HAVE THE RIGTH OPEN ATTITUDE AND FORGET TO WHAT WE ARE ACCUSTOM TOO AND REMEMBER HOW THE NEAR FIELD LIVE MUSIC SOUNDS.
Regards and enjoy the MUSIC NOT DISTORTIONS,
R.
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Dear friends: Today I will finish the V-caps/Wima changes that in the Levinso's is not a so easy task like with tube electronics.
So I will try to make the evaluations this week-end.
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Dear @cal3713 @grannyring friends : I just received the two Wima FKP1 0.033UF FOR i CAN MAKE THE CHANGE INSTEAD THE V-CAPS tEFLON cU THAT ACTUALLY ARE IN MYLlEVINSON'S INPUT HIGH-PASS FILTERS.
Really small devices, as the third or fourth part of one single Teflon Cu.
So and due that Wima caps has radial pins connectors I have to solder in the circuit boards using additional wires, I will use pure silver teflon isulation by KK.
I bougth the model FKP1 instead the MKP10 because Wima states in his site:
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As regards pulse loading capability, WIMA FKP 1 represents the high-end of capacitor technology. """ and that means a top the MKP10.
We will see what happens when I test it this week.
I have not big expectations with the Wima in this application because the V-cap´s Teflon Cu are just first rate ones.
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Dear @grannyring @cal3713 and friends : Yesterday I changed the stand alone bnd-pass and tweeter crossovers by two caps in parallel at each position where all caps have the same voltage spec.
After half a hour of free play the caps already settle down due that all are used caps: two came from the original input coupling in my Levinson's and the other 6 came from a Classé Audio DR3-VHC that I owned.
Question: makes sense to any of you that one improvement been that noise floor goes down? because after runned twice by evaluation proccess this was the first improvement I listened and listen.
Second was that focus is dead dead centered as if was deeply underground ( better than beefore. ), then I noted that ( as in live music events at near field position. ) I almost can determine the distance/position of the different instruments in the stage in a solid and vivid manner.
In complex scores as the Battle track in the Gladiator soundtrack exist better separation in between the different instrument sounds, same happens too with the Telarc 1812 recording. I can identify better the individual sound of each insterument and at the same time with high coherence in between.
I did not what to expect for the parallel caps changes so these kind of improvements are welcomed.
I have to say that the differences for the better is " night and day " but my evaluation proccess and system resolution permit me to be aware of those little and sometime tiny level chamnges.
I still waiting for the caps for the bi-amp high pass filter.
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Dear @cal3713 : Thank you very much. That's the specific answer I'm looking for. Appreciated.
So I will go with the single 0.033uf Wima caps.
R.
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Dear @grannyring : Sorry I was totally wrong, in series comes higher resistence.
I would like to insist on the parallel caps issue conection not in my speaker crossover where I will follow your advise and see if exist any improvement. I will do this in the tweters and band-pass crossover because I already have the Wima caps need it for that.
Now, I already ordered to Mouser two Wima 0.033uf to use at the input of my Levinson monobloks in the high pass filter ( biamping system. ) instead the today V-cap teflon Cu.
I don't like to make more harm to the Levinson circuit board and I say this because I already made several changes in that specific input cap.
So my question is that if you or other gentleman think that using there two caps in parallel ( I have 0.022 and 0.01uf that I take out somewhere in the electronics. ) will perform better than the single 0.033uf?
I will follow the advise of you and if I don't have a tiny improvement then I will come back to the teflon Cu and I will don't touch the board again.
Thank's in advance.
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Dear @grannyring : You are rigth but for the mid-range filter I need 16.8uf.
Now, are you saying that two 2.2uf in parallel performs with better quality levels that a single 4.7uf?
A second question ( not for the ODAM.): is there any advantage to use two caps in series against a single capor parallel caps? because before I received the 4.7uf caps I was listening to two 10uf Wima caps and performs very well too. I read somewhere that two in series caps reduce impedance but I don't know for sureor if exist a trade-off about.
Thank’s in advance, appreciated.
R.
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Dear @cal3713 : Good, we will see what happens with your experiences about.
Other that the ODAM has a limited cap values and due that I own the OIMP where the MKP 10 are way superior performers I could think that maybe the ODAM is not the response against Wima but I never know that till I testesd.
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Dear friends : I can't find out yet the source for the Wima 100uf that goes in the speaker crossover.
In the mean time I'm thinking to make a really critical test that it's to change the V-cap Teflon Cu for a MKP 10 in the high pass filter in my bi-amp speaker/subwoofer.
I don't use the subwoofer high pass electronics instead I made the high pass filter taking advantage that my Levinson amps are coupled by cap at the input.
To do that I need first than all open the amps and take a look/measure the distance between the circuit boards holes because the original cap was 2.2uf and for the high pass is way lower value and due that the Wima are radial caps I think maybe I can't do it directly because the lower value cap has a shorter distance in between pins and I don't want to add cable to solder at the board.
I will do all my effoprt I can because if the Wima can, at least, even the V-cap Teflon Cu well that could be admirable for say the least.
We will see.
Regards and enjoy the MUSIC NOT DISTORTIONS,
R. |
Dear @grannyring : The ODAM caps has to wait for a test till exist the caps values for my speakers mid-range.
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I forgot. Please don’t wait/expect that you will listen with the Wima caps something different but " similar " to those colorations/distortions we are accustom to.
So we need to give time to our ears/brain to switch to the new kind of sound. It’s important this issue because Wima has not colorations you can detect it and the very low distortion levels is omething that we are not accustom to.
Well if some of you test those MKP 10 you will have a new experiences with your room/systems.
Something I had to do was to fine tunning ( again ) the system subwoofers and a minimum position change in one of the main speakers.
Btw, something that improved in my system through Wima is the solid/solidity focus in the sound stage. I’m still learning about the improvements the system achieved.
Again, that the extremely low price of Wima don’t worry you don't be intimidated for it. I know that we can ask: how a 8 dollar cap can outperforms a 400 dollar caps?
Wima is the kind of audio devices where price has not any relationship with the devices quality performance levels that’s just superb.
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Dear @grannyring : There is something important in our audio decisions and that’s to what kind of sound we are accustom to, this characteristic defines our sound priorities and of course if something do not likes in our system quality performance we defines what we are looking for.
One way or the other all of us are accustomed to some kind of system " colorations " accustomed and love some kind of system " distortions " but what we like not always is rigth and many times we like " things " that are not directly related with the sound of live MUSIC.
I’m no exception about and through the years and along the system up dates/up grades and tweaks ( that we loved. ) some day I took in count from where came the better quality performance from those " tweaks " and the answer is from lower and different kind of colorations and lowr every kind of distortions.
I remember when I hard wired all my electronics at the input electrical power with out the use of male and female electrical power connectors: I soldered the cables directly to the boards. With that move/action some colorations/distortions just disappeared and other gone at lower levels..
Same happened when and due that I have fully regulated and bullet proof electrical lines souce I take out all the input fuses in the system electronics. I have to say that I was using boutique fuses type.
Same result when I changed all the electronics electrical power cables by 100% silver instead cooper.
The phenomeno was and is almost always that: some colorations/distortions disappears ( like " magic ". ) and other colorations and distortions goes lower.
So, I can’t remember when I just stop to love " colorations/distortions " but all those experiences help me to recognize and be aware of colorations/distortions in very precise way and I know for sure that my WIMA changes don’t fool my self.
I have a evaluation proccess that I follows and time to time I make up-dates on it. The advantage of this proccess is ( between other things ) that’s repetitive and this makes evaluations almost " easy " but time consuming.
When I’m invited to listen a system at friends places I always bring with me 3-4 recordings only for a " fast trak " evaluation and I have to say that till today never fails.
That’s why I made and make emphasis that with an open mind try to give an opportunity to the MKP 10 at the crossovers.
After that if you still think that Wima " is not top class in resolution..." then I can tellyou that that room/system is in trouble somewhere in one or more links of the system chain. You can be sure Wima is not the culprit, Wima shows you the nearest real quality performance of your system.
Wima can give us what I was looking for in this thread title:
A HARMLESSS and SIGNATURELESS capacitor. No colorations or distortions I can be aware or detected, at least till today.
In any " event " the use of Wima caps in crossovers and does not matters if you like it or not could be a learning lesson.
Btw, before this thread I never think of Wima caps for my speakers crossovers, as a fact the idea born through this thread and fortunatelly ( for me. ) was and is an unexpected beautiful surprise and very hard to believe it till we listen.
Regards and enjoy the MUSIC NOT DISTORTIONS,
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Dear @imhififan :really interesting info.Btw, that Wima caps was designed in specific for HF applications and inside the very humble Wima prices that one is the cheap one,lower than 1 dollar a piece.
RM ( whom pass away.) posted ( I'm not sure but maybe in the same forum.) his coments of boutique fuses where he found out that severalof damaged electronics that he received to fix it the the source of the problem was developed by those fuses that owners changed and that according him justdoes not meet the electrical proved standards.
So it's not surprise the information with the Duelund. Unfortunatelly does not exist measured information that can explain the different caps coloration/distorions levels that could explain what our ears perceives.
Btw, it's worth to try/test the MKP 10 in your speaker crossovers. Just by curiosity.
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Dear @grannyring : As a fact the caps in the woofer crossovers are V-caps and in the past I use it in all the speaker crossover drivers.
Sure, I can test the 4.7uf in the tweeters to " see " first differences with the OIMP and after that with the WIMA ones. Chris is a friend and I use too V-caps teflon Cu with very good success.
Normally in audio all is room/system dependent and owner MUSIC/sound priorities, no doubt about.
My system was and follows listened by many gentlemans that are first than all MUSIC lovers and second audiophiles and some music players.
Not only for me but for them the unanimous opinion is that the room/system strength is its very high resolution where there is no place to hide any weak characteristic in any link of the system chain.
A few years ago a friend of mine and me designed and builded a SS active and current drive phonolinepreamp that in my Agon virtual system you can read about, its name Essential 3150/3160 and exist 7 gentlemans over the audio world that till today are way proudly owners.
Which were the main targets when we started that way learning project?: accuracy ( not analytical but accurated. ) and high resolution putting the overall distortions /colorations/noises and the like at minimum and fortunatelly and after hundreds ( literally. ) of tests active and passive parts, modeling boards layouts, measurements, listened long sessions of recordings where we know even the kind of " color " of its " errors " and the sound of the tick and pops, listened evaluations against other phonolinepreamps ( integrated or separated. ) like: FM Acoustics, Gryphon, Dartzeel, Boulder, Lamm, Audio Note, M.Levinson, Krell, Halcro and others ( this similar products came some from my friends and some from my dealer friends.
When we finished ( after 3 long years for the 3150 and another year for the 3160. ) we was and are totally sure not only by our " mouth " but from my audio friends that nothing ( and I mean it. ) can’t touch our Essential.
Even today is way competitive against any other unit you can name it.
For the same targets a couple years ago I finished a self design and manufacture ( along other friend. ) a unique tonearm.
I write this not because I’m a conceit person no nothing like that, far away from there.
You can read in my Agon virtual system, please read it carefully, why the system has that so high resolution with no place to hide anything.
Anyway, I will test the ODAM and will see if can beats the WIMA because the boutique caps that I tested in my system no one outperforms the WIMA in the speaker crossovers.
""" Wima caps are not top class in resolution or refinement. """
I respect your opinion but IMHO no other cap has the WIMA " perfect " resolution and about " refinement almost every audiophile has his own definition.
Now, things could be the other way around: that with out very high resolution room/system we can’t be aware of the greatness of WIMA MKP10 because is an uncolored device with no self signature: just straigth with no common audiophile adjectives to describe the sound quality.
As any one here my reference is live MUSIC and in my case: seated at near field position like the recording microphones positions: nearfield.
My main room/system target is to stay truer to the recording nearest to it.
Rigth now WIMA gave and gives me a nearest place that ever before to that target.
I’m not married with anything but MUSIC and I’m a really a severe critic of my system and try to be very objective about and over tests and evaluations/comparisons too. You can be sure that I don’t like mislead my self.
I would like to know where you made the ODAM comparison against the MKP10 or other caps against WIMA.
Your statement: """ Wima caps are not top class in resolution or refinement . """
was exactly my way of thinking several years ago and that’s why I have in " stock " some values of WIMA caps, many because everywhere where I seen Wima I changed for other " better " cap.
I will finish the overall speaker caps changes and after that maybe I will do the same ( step by step. ) in my electronics.
Regards and enjoy the MUSIC NOT DISTORTIONS,
R.
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Dear friends: With more time/hours listening my NEW systems with that WIMA caps in the crossover not only can confirm those two characteristics that only have the live MUSIC: POWER and CLEARLY ( not pristine but clearly. ).
Now I can say that through the WIMA caps that almost " don’t touch/degrade " the signal the MUSIC FLOW in a totally free way, just like live MUSIC, and not only that but the TEXTURE of each note/harmonics of instruments that you can " cut with a knife " ( positevely. ). You can " touch " those notes/harmonics ( textually. ).
Other characteristic is its full COHERENCE and INTEGRATION of all instruments in what you are listen it.
Tjhe experience is so REAL that you have to live it to understand all those characteristics. Just FANTASTIC ! ! believe me.
I know that those adjectives is not the first time you read it but its meaning through the WIMA caps is not different but leaves to you to other order of magnitude. Yes those WIMA are my long audio life discovery of discoveries.
So to the ones of you that wants or are looking not for a different but for a true better quality performance levels I invite you to test the WIMA caps at your tweeter and mid range speakers crossover.
Boutique caps are almost a " joke " against the humble and inexpensive WIMA.
Good luck I have to return to follow enjoying MUSIC as never before.
R.
I forgot, I will report on WIMA woofer crossover caps when I put my hand on it because due that I need 100uf is not easy task to find out as with the tweeters/mid range caps. |
adding " niothing " to the audio signal other that makes its job, this is the big difference and that's what means accurate in this regards application.
I don't use adjectives as smooth, warm, organic and the like to describe the Wima " sounds " because those audiophiles adjectives are not shared by Wima caps. Perhaps the only one is: neutral but not the neutral meaning in the " past " but a true NEUTRAL.
Wima is not an audiophile cap but a MUSIC lover caps, that's what Wima is.
Btw, I never imagine that my room/system had the today so high quality performance levels when in reality always that quality levels been there hidden through the added overall system developed colorations/distortions/noises.
Yes, it's a great discovery for me.
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Dear friends: There are many things that the Wima does in the rigth way, some I already posted but two of the Wima characteristics in the speaker crossover are sometyhing that we can hear only through near field listen live MUSIC. one is POWER where each instrument shows you its power degree and overall what we can listen is that real MUSIC power that it's as in live event ( I'm not talking of high or low SPLs. No. ) the power that only have the live MUSIC the other astonishing/outstanding characteristic is CLEARLY that permit to listen more MUSIC that comes in the recording and that before Wima you just can't have no matter what and I say no matters what because my experiences with Duelund, Mundorf, V-cap´s, Jantzen and the like just can't do it due to its heavy colorations that impedes that CLEARLY that belongs to Wima caps.
Yes I'm exited because for me after more than 40+ years in audio never had first hand experiences like this one today and I listened room/system from 10K to over 300K.
Why that POWER and CLEARLY characteristics, easy: way lower colorations/distortions. Wima are way accurate devices not analytical but accurated something that unfortunatelly all caps I tested/used over years just has not.
I listen ( between many other recordings. ) last nigth to an old CD that is the original soundtrack Flashdance and that has good MUSIC but not very good recording and rigth now is just impressive in any of its tracks but the first one " What a feeling " with Irene Cara is gorgeus and something to hear/listen.
What changed a not very good recording in a good recording: a lot lower distortions and this is Wima puts your nearer to the recording and nearer to the live MUSIC.
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Der @cal3713 @paulcreed and friends: """ is that voices sibilant almost disappears in all recordings with female and male voices. """
that sentence I posted is not exactly ture. Sibilants are still there and what it’s not there are the added noise/glare/distortions.
I already put the Wima caps in the mid range crossover too and with a complete astonished success.
In the past when I changed/up-graded for example: cables, resistors, attenuators/volume pots, tonearm wires and the like after did it the change and lñistened I was " worried " because I " feeled " that the system quaklity performance losted precense, air, shines, etc, etc. and SPLs with the same attenuator pot position.
In all cases thinks were ( when I took in count. ) that what really losted in almost all those changes was: added colorations, distortions, noises, resonances ( name it as you want it. ) and the SPLs measured does not been altered. System noise floor goes way down ! ! .
The " sensation " of lower SPL came/comes from way lower distortions and to feel more or less the " same " SPL " sensation " I have to go-up around 2db on SPL. So the Wima caps in my speakers permit that I can listen it at higher SPLs.
Those kind of experiences and now with the Wima caps confirm that the humble Wima caps handled the signal in better way than the boutique caps. The Wima don'y " impedes " in almost every way the signal pass-through like the boutique caps.
Now, with Wima in the tweeters/mid-ranges the overall room/system quality performance is overwhelming and I mean it.
If you take a piano recording each note/harmonics are a " fulminant " precise sound just as you can listen only in a live near field event. This characteristic is the very first time I heard in any system through my audio life. I'm rigth " there " and can hear the immedacy fast transient as never before.
After those experiences I can’t just go back ever and my speakers woofer crossover caps will be by Wima too. I’m just waiting tha Wima como back from holidays to buy it.
Wax, paper, oil and snake poison are only caps full of colorations. Think about: it can’t be in other way. So we pay for what we get and we really get a " poor " quality level through the boutique caps against the " fabolous " Wima.
Every day from the Wima changes I took daily 23 hours additional to what I lisneded in the past before caps change.
Rigth now the " low-reas " CD performs as that old statement: " best sound for ever ", really is the way it sounds.
Regards and enjoy the MUSIC NOT DISTORTIONS,
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Dear @paulcreed : Check the Mouser kinks I sended to you.
According with my experiences in speaker crossovers I " can't " why will not works through electronics but we need to test it. Fortunatelly the MKP10 series is almost unexpensive and we can try it down there.
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Dear @cal3713 : Yes, do it could be interesting for you.
R. |
Dear @cal3713 @paulcreed : Had you time to make the wima cap tests in your speakers? if yes the: which were/are your experiences about?
Thank’s in advance.
Happy Holidays for every one,
R. |
Dear friends: I finish my tests evaluations with the Wima caps in my tweeters and band-pass speakers crossovers.
I said finish because I received from Mouser the precise wima caps values I need for, so I’m not listen any more to parallel/series caps but single cap on each position.
I have to say that today Wima is the best harmless and signatureless cap I experienced first hand in my system These Wima caps are dead neutral/colorless and does not adds any " artefacts " I can be aware off and does not needs weeks or months to settle down only a few hours from new.
Between today and tomorrow I will try to change the the caps in the mid range crossovers: 16.8uf and will see what happens down there.
Btw, with the tweeters Wima caps happened something that in the past happened too when I added the super-tweeters in my system : the most notorious listened improvement with the ST was a better bass range and soundstage definition.
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Dear @paulcreed : You said that are waiting a wima caps quote for your needs. I don't know which values you need but Mouser has the MKP 10 in 10uf, 6.8uf, 4.7uf and many standard values and you have not to wait for a quote because you buy on line through its site. Did you look your needs at Mouser?
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Dear @paulcreed : """
I find the z more on the warm side of the CRM. This may be why you like the wima. ... """
sorry but that " warm " makes no " click " for me at this moment because if the Z was on the warm side of the Wima then why more ears " fatigue " at high SPL with the Z than with the Wima and why the sibilants disappears with the Wima if like you say is tipped up? Cleaner yes but not exactly tipped up.
I think that next week I will receive what I need for the midrange drivers and we will see what happens.
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Dear @paulcreed : Which speakers do you own?
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Dear @cal3713 : I tested the Wima in parallel and series way ( due that I have not the values for a single cap that I will order. ).
For reasons I have not explanations in the ban-pass filter works better in parallel and in the tweeter in series. Both cases/ways with two caps on each fashion. and that's what I'm listen.
Now are so cheap that we can try all configuration ways for evaluations.
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Dear @paulcreed : ""
you prefer the cheap Wilma? """
Certainly yes and as I said please don't " worry " about its extremely low price.
My samples were used devices and I dont know Wima time to settle down. You stated that that time is not in your " fun " list " but caps normally needs some hours. Obviously not weeks or months like some other caps.
My take is that you must try it.
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Dear @imhififan : My take rigth now and with out tested in the midrange/woofer filters is that seems to me could exist no reasons to use Wima in any tweeters speakers. As I said and every one knows for many years Wima is a true standard in the whole industry regarding use of capacitors.
The examples I posted at least two of them are way demanding for any room/system ( Gladiator/1812 ) is a really true test overall at all the frequency range and especially at the SPL I listened those two recordings: 95db-97db at seat position with peaks around 105db-107db.
Yesyerday I Listened at the same SPLs these recordings:
Dire Straits Love over Gold and I never heard in any system Mark Knopfler guitar so " rigth " with not strident ( for that SPL. ) but with the normal agresiveness live MUSIC sound has.
Botn " parts " in the Telegraph Road track where outstanding as was too both " parts " on Private Investigations.
We have to remember that even that the Wima are only in the tweeters midrange harmonics are reproduced down there.
I listend too:
Self Control by Laura Branigan and I was really surprised by the rythm that today has my room/system.
Same happened with the original ( long version. ) soundtrack of Cat People where in the track Putting out Fire Bowie really shines but the rythm is just impressive. Music on this recording came from G.Moroder.
Finally: Fun Fun ( two girls voices. ) Color my love with same results.
These 3 last recordings are way demanding for any system room.
What I listened never losted " figure " everything rigth on " place " with very good instrument separation and at the same time fully integrated in between.
The girls chorus in the Bowie recording track now has definiton and are vivid as never before where I was listened but " nothing more ".
Something that I took in count during all my tests evaluations ( I’m still testing it. ) is that voices sibilant almost disappears in all recordings with female and male voices.
Yes, it’s a huge discovery for me. Testing doing things and thinking out of the box is from where I learned. I never say NO, I try and if I don’t like it the change I did it the return to its before status.
I forgot, in the past when testing at that SPLs always left a ears sensations thattook several minutes to disappears and this time that almost not happens. Rigth now my " hat off " for Wima.
Regards and enjoy the MUSIC NOT DISTORTIONS,
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Dear @imhififan : My speakers are heavely up-graded but are old ones by ADS and the original caps, resistors and inductors if I remember has no " name " builder or maybe yes but I can't remember for sure.
I have first hand experiences with Duelund, Mundorf, Sonicaps, V-caps, Mit, Jantzen and other caps. All of them with really high prices per piece.
Wima is the standard not only in the audio industry but in almost any industry market segment.
Open any amplifier or preamp and you will see full of Wima caps down there. Should be because exist proved reasons to use those Wima caps.
Last week I decided to test Wima though my tweeters due that I have many wima caps that I changed in the past in system electronics, not the ones I own today.
I changed in the tweeter crossovers instead the Jantzen Alumen Z and even that I'm still making the evaluation I can attest in the tested time that I'm totally surprised with the MKP 10.
Where the Alumen Z are " neutral " the MKP 10 are true neutral and colorless/signatureless other than the MUSIC intrinsec color and yesd I heard and I'm hearing differences: important ones.
I was not prepared for what I'm listening rigth now because you pay " penauts " for a Wima caps against big dollars for the boutique caps that can't honor that colorless because all those heavy priced caps unfortunatelly adds " colorations/distortions ".
Till now the Wima in my system and through the tweeter and band-pass ( midrange.tweeter. ) crossover filters works great and at higher quality levels that the " other " caps or any thing I listened before in my system and in other systems.
Examples: around the middle of number two track in the original soundtrack of Gladiator you can listen the sound between swords when one hit the other.
Well in the Jantzen sounds really good but through the Wima you stay with out words to explain it: just outstanding if you consider that the Alumen Z are really good quality performers. Outstanding because the sound is not only precise but truer sound with a rigthness dificult to explain it and dificult to beats it.
In the Lyn Stanley Potions recording and in the very first track in the first minute ( at the end of that first minute. ) that started the track we can listen a very delicated high frequency strokes in a triangle, very delicated and with the Wima exist a very high definition with a precense so vivid ( not organic. ) that you can't be in other way but impressed for it.
Other " moments " are in the Telarc 1812 Overture where around 30 seconds before the first 5 cannon shots you can listen in the " long distance " the sound of a tambourine with perfect purity and after those shots comes the carillon sound that any one of you will die for till you listen to with Wima caps.
That's why I decided to bought the caps for my woofers and midranges. I will go " slowly " step by step to can be totally sure on the whole wima caps subject.
Regards and enjoy the MUSIC NOT DISTORTIONS,
R.
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Dear @paulcreed @cal3713 and friends: Temptation was to much and before I changed the woofer crossover caps I made a " little " change in my speaker tweeters and put my hands to work where my mouth/talk is and due that I have several Wima caps these are the ones I changed instead the Alumen Z that were the ones connected down there.
I'm listening and making my self test whole evaluation process and before I post the results I would like that if you can do it, due that Wima caps are totally inexpensive , then do it with your speaker tweeters only with out other blending caps for that crossover filter.
IMHO and even that your tweeters are diferent from mines is a must for any one to make this simple test speaker evaluation devices.
Then you can come here to share your first hand experiences about.
Believe me, it's worth to do it and don't be worried because the wima very low price range, an entry cap condition. At the end could be a learning lesson or a confirmation of something that we think we know. Who knows?
The ones I'm using are the MKP 10 160v and 5% tolerance.
Thank's in advanceand best wishes for that kind of change.
Regards and enjoy the MUSIC NOT DISTORTIONS,
R. |
