One thing I have to add is I completly agree with what comic_void said.If you want to get them, buy the real wood one because you will keep them for a long time and do not buy the black one it does not nice like the other colers.I have the 100v with rosenut real wood veneers and I realy enjoy and I play rock al the time.When I went to buy them I heard the b&w nautius 802 and I could not find 6k defference in sound and I took the paradigm.They had onkyo reciver in demo with paradigms but when I brought mine home they sound much better with my bryston 7b sst.
good luck
Hamlet
good luck
Hamlet