Apogee Scintilla Power


I know this is an old topic but here in 2019 has anyone come across any “new” ideas for driving Scintilla 1 ohm’s?  Just looking for some options. The obvious ones i know/heard of are old Krell, H2O, Lamm (big money) and some pretty wild european amps? I currently have a pair of Sunfire 300’s (with Scintilla mod) that actually sound pretty good and it is amazing what Bob Carver achieved here but looking for the next step. Thanks for any ideas. No need telling me to sell my Scintilla’s.....:). I am all in and really do like the Apogee stuff. Maybe its nostalgic or the journey. Thanks very much. 
westerlm
Great feedback. Confirmation as well as some new thoughts.

For my Apogee Duetta Signatures the Mc MC7270 (with autoformer) works pretty well but my CJ MF2500a (bipolar) is fantastic. Using it in a bi-wire configuration is most coherent. Using it with my CJ Premier 11a on high end in gain matched (26db), passive bi-amp set up is also VERY good with tube magic on the MRTW ribbons just a bit lagging with some attack transients (ie.guitar strings, piano, etc.).

For my Apogee Scintilla's the Mcintosh MC7270 runs out of gas. It can definitely handle the load fine with autoformers. The CJ MF2500a works well on the high end MRTW ribbons but does heat up. The CJ Premier 11a cannot play anywhere with the, Scintillas. The Sunfire 300's with Scintilla mod speak for themselves. I have recently picked up a Plinius SA250 MkIV that is being refreshed and turned into a Reference. Has proven to operate steady at 1ohm load handling scintilla dips down to .85ohms with high power and current. Operates in class A and class AB for some flexibility and energy savings. We shall see how it goes. Plinius, will be done in a month but Scintilla rework is a few months out for the ultimate test. When that happens I will get some feedback out for anyone that may be interested. Thanks again for  all the feedback.
westerlm OP
I have recently picked up a Plinius SA250 MkIV that is being refreshed and turned into a Reference. Has proven to operate steady at 1ohm load handling scintilla dips down to .85ohms with high power and current.
This "could" be the one for you, Plinius usually use mosfet in their output which sag not increase into 2ohms
But it "seems" for this SA250 they may have used bi-polar (bjt) in this model, but! not complimentary npn/pnp but just npn for top and bottom rails.
Maybe they meant N channel only top and bottom (not npn) and it is Mosfet, then that would explain this comment when tested into 2ohms " the amplifier is clearly less comfortable with the 2 ohm load" which means not so good with your Apogee’s 0.9ohm loading


Still it can give a good wattage increase for every halving of impedance
320W into 8 ohms
480W into 4 ohms
740W into 2 ohms (single channel driven)

Cheers George
Question
What is this "Scintilla Mod" that you mentioned that was done to your  Sunfire?
I have a Cinema Grand Signature and always wondered if it could drive some Scintillas. Not like I'd ever get that opportunity, but I digress..
As a matter of interest I have been compiling a list of amplifiers that will drive 1 ohm loads in particular the Apogee Scintilla. 

This is one speaker that I have always wanted to own but not easy as I am UK based, as they say owning a pair of Scintillas or Divas i9s an itch I would like to scratch!!


Apogee Scintilla - List of Krell Amplifiers that can drive them


Krell KSA50 (Just)

KSA100,

KMA100,

KMA200,

KRS-100

KRS-200

Krell KSA 80 (Just with protection setting adjustment)

KMA 160,

KSA200,

KMA 400

KSA150,

KSA250,

MDA 300,

MDS 500

Krell Audio Standard (KAS)

Possible KSA100s

Possible KSA200s

KSA300s


FPBs possibly

Evolution series a Possibly?


I am going to investigate the suitability of the following to drive a 1 ohm load

Krell FPB 750mcx and Krell Evolution 900

For my 700cx replacement, I may be considering

Krell KRS-200 too old? serviceable?
Krell KMA400 these run very hot so I question longevity and serviceability
Krell MDA500 again these run hot and question longevity and serviceability


I am most li8kely to consider the last two as they are the most recent and on performance grounds provided they can drive a 1 ohm load.

Krell FPB750mcx or Krell Evolution 900