Andra II speaker tilt/effective tweeter height


Some time ago I had B&W 802Ds and Eggleston Andra IIs in my room at the same time. These speakers are very distinct from one another, and it was interesting to compare their relative response to variables in positioning, associated gear, and so forth, but one area had me flummoxed: There was nothing I could do in terms of speaker position, toe-in, toe-out, room treatments, cables, wires, amps, bi-amping, bi-wiring, preamps, or digital front end that would allow the Andra IIs to approach the level of detail of the 802Ds, or bring down the detail in the 802ds to that of the Andra IIs. And the Andras sound a bit "tipped down" to me in my room relative to the B&Ws and even generally relative to various other speakers and other systems. In the end I concluded that I prefer the Andra IIs, and I no longer have the B&Ws. But it has always nagged me that the Andra IIs are "tipped down" so to speak and I was not able to alter that presentation with gear changes, toe-in, etc.

The Andra IIs are built such that they tilt back and the speakers fire slightly upward. My listening position is almost 12 feet from the speakers, and the tilt causes the tweeter to "aim" about 2 feet over my ears. The B&W tweeter fires parallel to the floor. Anyway, while reading a speaker review a couple days ago the light went on! The reviewer noted that the speaker measurements went south in the upper octaves when measurements were taken even a few inches out of the plane of the tweeter. So I proceeded to tilt the Andra IIs forward such that the tweeter aims parallel to the floor, essentially right at my head in the listening position. Without other speakers to compare to, I cannot say that the relative tip-down has been turned around entirely (I don't want to do that), but I have remedied the one nagging deficiency in my perception of the Andra II. It is definitely and pleasantly more detailed in this configuration, and I perceive it to be considerably less "tipped down". And the tilt did not degrade imaging or move the soundstage perceptibly (my room is dedicated and heavily treated, which may provide a bit of flexibility in that regard).

Anyway, I thought this experience might be helpful to other struggling knuckleheads like me, if there are any.

Carry on.
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Der - Interested to hear your findings. I have Fontaines (top 3/4 of Andras) and do notice a difference when I stand. When I set mine up I levelled the small top surface. I figured that was what I was supposed to do. Mine are about 11' away. For me, not sure it's better, just different. Would also be interesting if an EgglestonWorks person could respond.
I found crossing in front interesting for vocals and small number of instruments - as if player was 2 feet in front of me - kind of spooky. But for the sake of all kinds of music over all I ended up toeing them to cross about 2-3 feet behind my head. Nice soundstage width.
Kurt, I am biamping with two BAT Vk600SE amps, each configured with a bridged input so I need onlya sinble interconnect to the amp. BAT Rex pre. Sometimes I switch in Krell 750s, but they work poorly with the BAT pre, so I use an EMM DCC2se as the pre when the Krells are plugged in. The wires are Transparent Musiclink Super on the bottom and Synergistic X2 on the top. I have switched these wires around to very little effect.

Danny, I don't get that sensation that things are close to me when I use the extreme toe-in. That would be like trying to read with the book too close. I think I'd change that up pretty quickly, too.