Dear Audio999: You are right, but that is not the point.
regards and enjoy the music.
Raul. |
Hi Rushton: I only show wrong facts that Doug himself use like arguments on differents subjects.
Do you think this is an attack ?, What do you propose?:
that Doug continue to give wrong facts for to explain any subject and nobody do nothing about?.
It is strange, many of you always defend to people like Doug, TWL and others many times, like now, where they expose on false facts. I think this behavior does not help to anyone, what do you think about?
My point of view is that everyone in this forum need to help to everyone: WITH TRUE FACTS. Do you agree?, if not: then tell me what is all about?.
Regards and always enjoy the music.
Raul. |
Raul, Alright. I'll give it one more attempt. I tried once before in an email we exchanged, but that obviously had no meaning for you. All of us regularly offer disagreement with something someone else has posted, and sometimes we all point out what we think is an error in what someone else has said. The point is to have a conversation here, and to exhange information and opinions so we all learn from each other. But, you approach this differently. You are not just pointing out "wrong facts" as you so disingenuously state. Your posts are always stated in absolute terms like an oracle pronouncing "THE TRUTH FROM ON HIGH." It's insulting to the intelligence of the rest of the people participating here. More to the problem, the language and the tone you choose to use are confrontational, not constructive and are frequently presented as a personal attack. Consider your last post above where you include the following TOTALLY UNNECESSARY personal attacks: do really know what are you talking about ?, I think you are an " inexpert " in this area, too. Please try to learn about. Where do you left " the book ". These comments are unnecessary, they don't add to a constructive conversation, they are demeaning of the person to whom they are addressed, they are personal attacks, and (to me) they are offensive. Your posts are full of this nonsense. My ask of you is: "Quit it." You can have a conversation and point out errors without the personal attacks. If you can't figure this out, my recommendation to you is that you should stop posting for several months, reflect on things and then come back and try again after that time has passed. . |
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Ok Raul,
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Off come the gloves. You are just unbelievable. How many people have to tell you that your behavior is unacceptable before it gets through your thick skull.
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You have no place on this thread or any other Audiogon forum.
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You tell people what they can and cannot hear. My sense is that you are audiotorally challenged and don't appreciate that people can hear what God was not kind enough to share with you.
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You are rude, ignorant of common social graces (in any language), pompous, an articulate incompetent, not able to carry on a logical and polite debate, and a royal pain in our collective Asses. Please don't address any of us as friends (anyone can offer here to be RaulÂ’s friend and correct me) as you do not treat people in a hospitable or decent way. Please do not use your English language limitations again for your rude missives.
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As a final thoughtÂ…..Raul, please shove your opinions where the sun fails to reach and leave us all alone.
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I guess someone should say something in Rauls' defense. When I made my first statement on the audiogon site regarding vta, someone thought they had the authority to tell me to go away. While I think it is everyones right to correct obvious mistatements of fact and scientific principles, we should stay from ad hominem attacks.
Audio is an inexact science. More importantly we are all amatures. I would say 90% of what is said on this site is opinion. Almost all of what I have read during my short stay on this site, is a good faith attempt by the writer to asisst others in getting the most out of thier existing or future systems. Predictably saying things like solid states sucks,you can't hear the difference between cheap wire and expensive cables,etc. is going to evoke a strong response.
For example at one time the Denon 103 was considered SOTA. That was 15 -20 yrs ago. It has almost surely been surpassed by todays modern mc cartridges. They are those who still find it has value especially at a price point or with particular components. However, if someone has invested thier money or credibilty in public on a particular product, calling it garbage will be offensive even if true. Accusing someone of delibeately mistating the facts will also stir up the hornets nest. I also think some have made unnecessary attacks on Raul.
Raul, for my money I hope you hang around and I will enjoy the music. Now go eat turkey and fight with the relatives you have not seen all year. |
Raoul needs to follow my prescription... |
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Gregadd,
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It is quite nice of you to try to see the positive side of Raul's behavior.
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What I think you may be missing here is the long history of his rudeness and mean spirited statement.
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Please read through all of Raul's comments on all of his threads and in their entirety and you might sing a different tune.
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Cello, I apprciate your response. But I think you inadvertently did something that contributes to a lot of the discord on this site. You assumed that I am not familiar with Rauls' previous comments. Sometimes Raul deserves to be slammed. A fact that I previoulsy alluded on this site in a different thread.(Do hsopital grade ac outlets make a difference?). I also think the person who thought it was his place to tell me "to go away" was way out of line. Moreover, imediately prior to making my post I scanned Rauls' comments. I can certainly see why he is on the hot seat, I still beleive that he should be allowed to post his opinion. People can take it for what it is worth. Or ignore it all together. |
Or ignore it all together. Which is likely what we should do as a matter of course, as difficult as it may be sometimes. I suspect that Raul loves nothing more than the attention and the reactions. |
Cello: The next post was your answer with any reason ( like your attack in this thread ). You post it only for attacking and for no other reason, your last sentence speak a lot of who you are.
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" I was there (with Doug) and the difference in the Schroeder was obvious and easy to hear. One would not need much more than listening to a few minutes of different types of music to be able to discern that the Schroeder was head and shoulders above and in another universe than the other tonearms.
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I suggest you read more and talk less and spare us your wisdom for a while.
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Ahhhh... now I feel better.""".
Cello.""""""
Rushton:
*****" do really know what are you talking about ?, I think you are an " inexpert " in this area, too.
Please try to learn about. Where do you left " the book ".*****
Here I explain this behavior: Doug ( like TWL ) is a very active member on this forum and always is trying to help in differents areas of audio. I think that for everyone that are so " active " the best is that that people ( Doug ) try to have always the " card at hand " ( know-how of what is talking about ) to really help to the people that is loking for an answer.
On the subject of his 803 speakers ( like I put on my answer ) a few months ago ( in another thread ) another member and I explain to Doug why he ( and his friend ) can't hear a 16Hz frecuency ( it was not 20Hz ) in his audio system and that the frecuency response ( in room ) of his speakers start maybe at 50Hz. Now, he insist first: " flat response " and second:" +,- 4db at 34Hz ". ( Doug: the Nautilus 800 is 37 +,- 2db at Lab ). Don't you think he have to learn about?, beacuse he is doing statements on that wrong information.
I think that many of us in this forum want that the forum go to " growing up " and one of the target is to give answers that have not only quality but that are based on true facts and not " illusions ". The people, like Doug, that are very active in this forum have a serious responsibility with all the forum members ( at least this is the way I look ) and they have to take it with a real know-how every time they " shot " ( live experience ).
Now, if you think that everyone in this forum ( Doug, TWL, Rusthon, ,...) can post " only for post ", with any care of what is posting then ask you: what kind of forum will be Audiogon? or which kind of forum do you want or do you deserve?.
I'm here and I will continue to post here because everyone of us can learn many things on what we really care and love:
" accurate music reproduction through ours home audio systems ".
Regards and always enjoy the music.
Raul. |
Raul,
Your posts of pertinent information can be helpful. Your personal attacks are not. Keep posting pertinent information or posing reasonably phrased questions that invite dialog, and I have no quibble with your participation. That has consistently been my point. You've consistently missed that point in your effort to disparage and belittle others.
I do note that the last several posts I've seen from you have not included personally derogatory or disparaging remarks. I welcome this and hope it continues.
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Thank you Rushton - well put.
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Raul - My only point is that you stop attacking people personally. I would welcome any informed opinion provided that it is put forth in a positive and polite manner. Do that, and I have no issue with you.
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Mark: This weekend I listened to a Schroder Reference Tonearm. In my lifetime I believe that I have listened to tens of dozens tonearm combos-Nothing I have ever experienced sounded as natural , completely free of mechanical artifacts. The Schroder arms cost about what a used car costs but nothing in analog compairs to them. charlie |
Mark: In another tread a respondee was critical of the schroder TA. The arm requires exact setup while time consuming is not difficult. Any setup error and much of the magic could be lost. |
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At this point, I would not let set up be a reason not to own a Schroder tonearm.
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A Schroder is one of the true pure joys in life.
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