A Copernican View of the Turntable System

Dear Chris, You made some kind of drilling (oil) platform
for your SP-10. Looks to me more convincing than the AT footers below the cover because this cover is very questionable as support. I would add the Stillpoints underneath the the steel 'points' for some damping. I assume that the threads are made in the SP-10 frame? This way you don't need the AT 616 and than (as seller)will probable have some other perspective reg. other Australians than Henry.

Regards,

Dear Lew, You must feel 'Majestic' at present. The
rumours even in Holland are that you now own the best speakers in the world; anyway the best electrostatics ever.
Then you have your both sons near you so you must be a very happy guy at the moment. Hope your sons also love jazz.

Regards,

I know some guys here in Holland who are wrestling with OTL
amps for 40 years. One can call such behaviour 'persistance', 'induration' or 'obsession' but during those 40 years they made many 'solutions' for the
impendance problem . The strange thing however is that they
try to solve this problem in the speaker. Some even produced speakers with 500-600 ohm impendance. Thanks to some guy called Bruce Rozenblat the problem is reduced to,say, 4 ohm. So it seems to be very easy to predict what Lew
'secret work' is about. He is tweaking some filter to put in front of his Majestic in order to protect the life of the (innocent) thing as well as his wallet.

Regards,

Dear Chris, Your mother is a wise lady. You should not mess
with doubtful persons. One of them is a traitor. He ordered
a plinth from, will you believe this , Moldova. Former Romania or so. But the price is nearly as cheap as your steel footers ($110; ebay.com) and probable more stable. I intend to put those Still-points underneath to get, say,
Albert Porter (cheap) plinth version for my SP 10 mk II.

Regards,

I thought that this J. Carr is the smartest guy among us.
But he is as crazy as the rest of us:'Surrounding the turntable ( but not contacting it) would be a double -wall acoustic shild '(08-24-11). How about asking the Russians
for the permission to install our TT in the Mir?

Regards,

Dear Chris, This remind me about this Jew who was complaining about his shoes:'they are killing me'. His answer about the cause was that they are too small. But when asked why he buys too small shoes his answer was: 'it feels so good when I put them off'. BTW I think that you have some other 'structural problems'. 'the other location' imply that you can use the 'other one' without 'structure feedback issue'.
Regards,

Addendum. Dear Chris, you made an important discovery without knowing what you discovered. Otherwise you would at least pronunce: Heureka. There is no way to value anything without comparison. Even 'better' assumes some, not to mention 'the best'. Alas your method is to expensive: two or more 'locations' are not attainable for the most of us. So I have a proposition which is even cheaper than Halcro's concrete arm pod. Buy the cheapest MM cart you can find ( I have some from East Germany) and
use it by every listing session for one hour and then switch to whatever other cart you own. You will be suprised with the result. BTW such results seems to be the 'basics' in psychology.

Regards,

Dear T_bone, For someone who is refering to the 'original marketing material' as a 'argument' for his church you should understand how important the right words are. To me
the pedestal also sounds much nicer than a'pod'.I am alas not familiar with the church furnishing but for our church we (should) prefer 'pedestal' above a 'pod'. Ie you and other members of your church are free to pray before a plinth we have, I think, a much more sacral object in our church: the pedestal. Besides our religion is the true and the right one.

Regards,

There is no question in my mind that our hobby has some religious aspects ( aka it is about what one believes). But we are used to use 'scientific' arguments in our discussion. Who would expect that, say, the Catholic churh will ever reach any agreement with, say, Greek ortodox church despite the fact that both were once 'the same' church? To admit that the 'other' may be right is like loosing a game. So Lew refers to Newton and T_bon to some 'original marketing material' to prove their case. But we all can enjoy leterature while we know that this 'art' has nothing to do with the (real) truth. I myself always enjoy the post of , for example, Lew and Herr Professor in this sense. I wish btw that I could afford the 'big one' from Kuzma with 3 of those 'golden' arm pods. One should I think
refer to those as 'pedestals' because a 'pod' looks so miserable in literary sense.

Regards,

Dear John, You are obviously an atheist. Never seen a church from the inside? There is always a Podium in any that I know of and all of them claim to be the winner. However if the other members of my church prefer 'Podiúm' above 'Pedestal' who am I to disagree? As long as I don't need to kneel before some plinth...that is.

Regards,

Dear Raul, There may be some incosistency between your statement that 'every single...item design deserve our respect' and your agreement with me that (only) 3 belts on this TT make this TT to expensive. So we both are,I think, entitled to ask at least 4 belts for this price. However I am glad to see that the Mexican kind of humour is similar
to the Balkan kind.

Regards,

Dear Halcro, The Germans are not considered as having any sense for humour. By the Dutch in any case.But they produced this saying:'if theory and practice coincide then
they are probable both false'. They were also the first to
mentinon this 'unity between theory and practice' ( Marx if
I am correct). Now I consider Jonathan as a genius designer
(think also about his pres), a nice guy and as honest as
'Gold' as one says ( aka indisputable integrity). But his
aims and intentions are impossible to fulfil without his own preferences or testes. His work imply both: the technical knowledge and application of this knowledge to
reach some ends. For him this 'unity' of theory and practice must be self-evident.
But we want a separation of 'objective' and 'subjective'
aspects of the valuation process and can always attribute
some of his propositions to his 'subjective valuation'.
The same apply to Raul btw. Now this 'subjective valuation'
is connected with our upbringing,culture, education, family infuences , experience etc, etc. Ie our whole brain is involved. To refer to all this as 'subjective' is
of course very slim. But somehow in our discussions we are
predisposed to talk about 'subjective' as something that is
suspicious. Why are we so skeptical about those with whom
we disagree?

Regards,

Dear Halcro, I have something with the tonearms. Lucky me
in the time of Freud there were no such 'objects of disire'
so I will never know what's wrong with me. But I am a peculiar tonearm collector. I like to see, inspect and admire them for a while.Alas because of restricted means I need to sell some in order to buy some other. This the only
way for me to 'inspect' as many as possible.

Kind regards,

Hi Nick sr, This is the difference between the 'actual world' and the 'possible world'. I used to have on my wall not a TT rack but many Playboy beauties while I married the
girl next door.

Regards,

Dear Halcro, There is no such a thing as identity between two brains. I am astonished about those people who are searching for their identity. Every single one has already
his own. But the game in which you are involved is about
'who is right'? The premise of this game is however questionable. But than , logicaly, if the premise is not true than all the deductions from the premise can't be true also.
A Serbian suporter of an Slavic brother.

Dear Halcro, I thought you started this thread and are 'involved in' as such. Ie the thread seems to be about the question 'who is right': the plinth church or the arm
pod church. There are always 'atheist' among us and you are
probable one of them. I questioned the premise only with
an hypothetical 'if' from the 'first rule' of logic: the deduced statements can only be true if the premise is also true. Well I am glad to see that J. Carr stated clearly that the premise is at least 'wrong'. BTW my arguments are not about 'words...words' but about connections between sentences or statements.

With Slavic greeting,

Dear Thuchan, Some Dutch Jew was reading the paper and suddently started to cry. His best mate Mos asked what the reason was. Sam : "Don't you see the Rockefeller is passed awy.''
Mos : 'I am really sorry but I had no idea that Rockefeller is family of yours.'
Sam: 'that is exactly the problem.'

Regards,

Dear Thuchan, Explaining a joke is the same as admit that there is no joke. Glad to see that you 'got it' but I deed not expect otherwise. For the 'possible others' I will refer to your country lady Marlene Ditrich. She was wondering why so many American women are dressed so tasteless. 'At present' she thought (we are talking 1960) 'one
can get very decent clothes for only $100.000.'
I thought that at present to build a 'decent' dedidicated listening room may cost much more. But I am more optimistic than Sam and may have a chance to become member
of the Rockefeller family.

Regards,

Dear Thucham, You and Marlene Ditrich have of course different experience. My point however was that you both are/were able to spend a huge amount of money for your respective hobbys. The most people are not able to do this.
Then my assumption that a 'decent' dedicated listenening
room may even cost more than Marlene's $100.000 you yourself confirmed. I have no idea what you mean with 'living in a sealed world' as well what you mean with
'parable'. First of all I deed not invent those stories.So no 'parables' but facts.
Second I spent some considerable time in three different cuntries, got my Law degree in Holland and was university teacher for 35 years in Holland. So I have no reason at all
to think that I live in a 'sealed world'. On the contrary I consider my self as a world citizen. Besides I can pay for a 'decent' dedicated listening room but other 'things' are more important to me.

Regards,

For this kind of money I would insist on 4 belts at least.

Regards,

This method is very old actually. One first produce the so called 'state of the art' with a pricetag nobody can afford and than the trickle down models which 'promisse', say, 90% of the technology implemented in the 'state..'. The money was supposed to come from those of course. Ie get the attention first with some crazy price.I was always impressed by Infinity . I mean the big one's for which I really needed Rockefellers. But Nudell got bankrupt 3 or 4 times ,if I remember well. And I am really sorry for
his misfortune: I still like the guy and those big ones which I still can't afford.

Regards,

Dear Thuchan, This is threefold teasing by which you surpassed your previous self: with the small motors, with Geoch and with my manual labour on my Kuzma platter.
But there must be some reason why so many designers used
those small motors. I thought that I have the force of the numbers on my side. However Daniel is always helping me so who knows?

Regards,

Dear Thuchan, 'captain of the Hindenburg'? Please take
some other job.

Regards,

Ct0517, Sorry but it is the other way round. But he has huge potential as is obvious from the MC thread: 'Damn it! Me making the same error by nature (aka German) again and
again'.The problem is however not the quality but the quantity. To be regarded as humorous you need to make more jokes than just one.
The Moldavian plinth is still by the customs. The Dutch are
probable learning from the Americans...

Regards,

Dear Daniel, My I deduce from your arguments that those
small AC motors in the LP-12, Thorens, etc., are meant to
keep the platter moving as soon as the right spead is reached? I have two of those motors in my Kuzma Stabi Reference but I always push the platter (8 kgr) to help
the motors to reach the right spead. Not perfect I assume
but to me it make sense. Or should I limit my comments to logic and philosophy?

Regards,

Dear Halcro, Your opininon re 'springs' imply that those
expensive AT footers under DDTT make no sense?

Regards,

Daniel& Henry, It looks as if you are contradicting each other but 'springs' and a isolation platform may be not contradictory at all. To prevent people to buy wrong
footers (as I already deed) you should be more explicit.
I like to know what kind of support is adequate for an DDTT?

Regards,

Dear In_shore, I never thought about acrylic but am not sure about the other way round. Yes I know that we are talking about inanimate matter. But I first got Lurnes
Audiomeca J1 which was all of acrylic. Then the ASR Emitter II and Basis Exclusive which are 6 boxes all of acrylic and when I changed Audiomeca for the Kuzma Stabi Reference I again got a huge amount of acrylic. However I
was never interested in acrylic. So 'obviously' acrylic must be somehow interested in me?

Regards,

Dear Daniel, 'a few month before'? I thought that someone
who is very interested in hystory should have a very good
memory. Otherwise his hystory would be, uh, the hystory.

Regards,

Dear Henry, Some support from the philosopohy of science.
The truth and existance are not adjectives or properties of
statements. They are implicit in any indicative statement.
But we have the language part and the so called 'reality
part'. The correspondence theory is problematic because
we can't equal lingvustic part with the rality part. The
semantics threat about the relatioship between the two. By
Frege there is the distiction between 'sense'(meaning) and
'reference'. Say the particle physicist all know what
Higgs particle means. Ie its contribution to the meaning of
the theory (the standard model). But till recently nobody
was sure if Higgs particle 'exist' or, to put it otherwise
if the 'name' Higgs particle has a reference. We in Europe
spend a huge amount of money to answer this question. But
if the Higgs particle was not 'discovered' the whole theory
would be refuted. The existance is considered to be an
'ontological' question. In 'On what there is' Quine
invented the so called 'ontology detector': to know what
kind of ontology one presuposes one need to know what
values one will put in the place of the variables he uses.
Ie: 'to be is to be a value of an variable'.
Frege called statements without a referent as not belonging
to science. Those are not truth-functional statements. Ie
it make no sense to ascribe whatever properties to not
existing entities.

Regards,

Dear Fleib, Your interpretation of what Henry stated is wrong. His first statement which is without question mark is about 'claiming the existance of phenomena without
scientific proof...', etc. This is not the same as 'believing that Higgs particles exist'. What one believes is not relevant in science otherwise we in Europe could save a huge amount of money with CMS in Cern. From his statement one can't deduce the assumption 'that everything and all phenomena can be proven scietificaly'. What he stated is that one should not CLAIM existance of whatever phenomena without scientific proof.
His second statement can be interpeted as a question because of the question mark but those are not the 'things' which can be true or fals but,say, interesting, boring, significant, senseless, etc. Ie questions are not truth functional.

Regards,

Dear Raul, The most frequent quote about Spinoza is: 'Omnis determinatio est negatio'. In this 'spirit' Popper arques : 'we should not defend our theories but try to refute them.' Henry is negating the existance of 'some phenomena' which are postulated by Lew. Considering the fact that our forum is about the knowledge how our gear
works I would think that Henry's contribution is very important. This means that your 'scientific inclination' is very questionable. As I mentioned before your,uh, ' phylosphical statements' are also very questionable.This is an indication of your lack of 'phylosophical' education.

Regards,

Dear Lew, There are huge differences among people regarding
the 'force'of their imagination. From your writings one can
deduce that you can imagine every single component without
any experience with the 'thing in casu'. Why then do you need
so many TT's, arms ,carts, speakers, amps., etc.,etc.?

Regards,

Well,dear Lew, I am of course not serieus. I was however in my youht when I thought that the philosphers are the guys with ideas and even ideas about ideas. One need to start somewhere so the ideas of my first philosopher were such that I thought that every single sentence was, without any question, true. This wonder happened in the same way with my second philosopher and also the third but by this one there was a problem. According to him the two 'earlier' philosopher were in total disagreement with eacht other and
even contradictory regarding nearly every subject matter.
Not sure if because of Freud or the mother nature who provided us (hopefully) with some defense mechanism I decided that 'all' philosopher are a kind of magician with words with the difference that they do not perform their act before some audience but write books instead. This way I was able to keep my own selfestime intact and also decided to become a lawyer. There are some of them which are called 'the best attorney' whom only few can afford. No philosopher ,even Popper, were able to earn this kind of money. But as is so often the case I also neither become 'aviator' nor attorney.
BTW with your imagination can you not reconsile the two: the mocking and the compliments? I admire you really but also like to tease you. Is this 'not done' according to some of Kantian imperatives?

Regards,

Dear Lew, Our 'teasing relationship' started with your beloved Mark Twain , the 'rumour' about his death and my slip of the tongue with guy versus gay . I then just started to write English. With Henry the case was different. I referred to his beloved Australia as 'a developing country' which caused him to refer to me as a 'little man' from a 'little country'. You was then more sportsmanlike then he was. But at present I love you both equally.

Regards,

Dear Henry, Yes you deed and this is not called 'humour'
but 'belittle' in literally sense. Humouros on the other hand
was Lew's response. I wanted to make him a compliment
but made a typo: 'this Lew is a smart gay'. His answer was:
'the rumour that I am a gay is exaggerated'. He borowed
this phrase from Mark Twain who was suprised to read
in the paper that he passed away: 'the rumour that
I am death is exaggerated'. Aussie humour? You must be joking .

Regards,

To be precise: what a niggling correction. According to
Frege the same tought can be expessed in different ways.
Otherwise we would need to surpass computers in exact
repetition of the words sequence. I should not use
quotation marks however. But for the foreigners among
us; what is a Hank?

Regards,

Inna, Despite the fact that Freud is dead we all(?) know that he would say
something about our 3 ego's. I myself fear the ''it'' the most. The other two
can impossible explain the number of my carts and arms.