300b lovers


I have been an owner of Don Sachs gear since he began, and he modified all my HK Citation gear before he came out with his own creations.  I bought a Willsenton 300b integrated amp and was smitten with the sound of it, inexpensive as it is.  Don told me that he was designing a 300b amp with the legendary Lynn Olson and lo and behold, I got one of his early pair of pre-production mono-blocks recently, driving Spatial Audio M5 Triode Masters.  

Now with a week on the amp, I am eager to say that these 300b amps are simply sensational, creating a sound that brings the musicians right into my listening room with a palpable presence.  They create the most open vidid presentation to the music -- they are neither warm nor cool, just uncannily true to the source of the music.  They replace his excellent Kootai KT88 which I was dubious about being bettered by anything, but these amps are just outstanding.  Don is nearing production of a successor to his highly regard DS2 preamp, which also will have a  unique circuitry to mate with his 300b monos via XLR connections.  Don explained the sonic benefits of this design and it went over my head, but clearly these designs are well though out.. my ears confirm it. 

I have been an audiophile for nearly 50 years having had a boatload of electronics during that time, but I personally have never heard such a realistic presentation to my music as I am hearing with these 300b monos in my system.  300b tubes lend themselves to realistic music reproduction as my Willsenton 300b integrated amps informed me, but Don's 300b amps are in a entirely different realm.  Of course, 300b amps favor efficient speakers so carefully component matching is paramount.

Don is working out a business arrangement to have his electronics built by an American audio firm so they will soon be more widely available to the public.  Don will be attending the Seattle Audio Show in June in the Spatial Audio room where the speakers will be driven by his 300b monos and his preamp, with digital conversion with the outstanding Lampizator Pacific tube DAC.  I will be there to hear what I expect to be an outstanding sonic presentation.  

To allay any questions about the cost of Don's 300b mono, I do not have an answer. 

 

 

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I have done every permutation and combination of ways to build this 300 PP circuit.  I originally started with high quality CCS and then went to LC coupling, which sounded more natural and musical to my ear, and then finally went to full transformer coupling.  As was stated above, this was impossible with off the shelf iron from even a very well know major European manufacturer.  Those ITs rang like a bell at 15K and up.  It took several iterations of custom design work in collaboration with Dave Geren at Cinemag to get it right.  Dave's easily make it down below 20 Hz and out past 30 KHz with no oscillation and no loading network needed.  We all have our taste, and all versions of the amp were wonderful, but there is magic in the final version that simply wasn't there with CCS or LC coupling.  A lack of solid state coloration and wonderful tonality and presentation of instruments to my ear.  The piano sounds like a piano, not a nice rendition of one.

We are in production after two years of prototyping.  Sounds like @atmasphere is early on their journey with a PP 300b.  Certainly far enough along to demonstrate a prototype at a show, much as we did in Seattle last summer.  It is undoubtedly a different topology than ours and I wish them well.  I am sure they will get their version to where they want it to be as we have with ours.  They will sound different of course due to the preferences of the designers.

@alexberger  Congratulations!  Lovely amplifier and you should be proud.  I hope it brings you many years of pleasure, until the bug hits to try yet a different circuit:)  I assure you, the addiction never ends!

Also, I am considering a build of Thomas Mayer's octal phono schematic with my own power supply choices.  One of those things I may eventually get around to....  You have probably looked at that schematic, but if not, perhaps google it

My only experience is two builds with passive RIAA.  They sounded good, but I have not experimented with the other type, sorry.

I rebuilt a number citation 1 preamps over the years for customers.  I didn't care much for the line stage section with the anode follower, and miles of wire and switches, but the phono section was among the best of the vintage gear.  

Sorry, have been absent from this thread for quite some time.   Not spending too much time on here.  I will be in Dallas at the SW Audio Fest next weekend in the Spatial Audio room and the Raven and Blackbirds will be driving their best open baffle speaker.  So if anyone wants to chat.....

@theclipper

There are 3 or 4 sets of the final production Blackbirds in the world.  One is probably still in the boxes (go figure) as the person was building a new house or some such.  There is one guy who loves his and posted on the spatial audio circle I believe.   There are a few sets of the prototype ones in the smaller chassis with 6V6 drivers floating around and people like them.  But no one is really active on chat boards.  C'est la vie.   A review pair will make its way into someone's hands this year most likely.  The Raven preamp has had more people posting because it costs less and there are around 30 of the production ones out in the real world.

 

As for my history with tube amps...   I helped my older brother with his Dynaco kits when I was about 8 or 9.  Then I got on to the SS bandwagon with everyone else of my generation, but I never forgot how that Dynaco gear sounded on my brother's AR speakers with AR XA turntable.   I built various SS kits in my youth... anyone remember SW Technical Products?  Then Hafler kits, preamp and amps and learned to mod them.  Then had kids.....  I finally bought another tube amp in about 2004 or so, a modded Jolida integrated and it sounded far better than my Krell integrated that I had at the time.   Then I started restoring vintage tube gear, met Jim McShane, became his main tech and restored probably 500 pieces of vintage tube gear including probably 75 citation II amps and 40 or so citation I preamps.  Plus tons of Macs, Sherwoods, Marantz, Fisher, etc...   Learned a lot about circuits and started making my own gear.  

I think @atmasphere has fooled around with MANY vintage tube pieces as well as I gather.  You learn a lot....  And here we are today...... So many tubes, so many circuits, so little time.  Always room for personal taste and disagreements.  That's wonderul as long as all folks are polite, and this thread is testament to that!

As for the driver tube on the Blackbirds... It has a huge effect on the sonics of the amp.  I didn't try an EL34 because over the years I have heard many EL34 amps and never liked that tube compared to a good 6V6, 6L6, or KT66, KT77, KT88.  We all have our taste.  I tried a number of those and the KT88 was best by a good margin to my ear.  I have some rather esoteric DHTs as drivers in my own Blackbirds, but you have to find matched pairs and they are not in modern production, which is what you need for commercial production of tube gear.  I happen to have good sources and good stocks of these tubes, but again you want the customer to be able to buy tubes that are in modern production from more than one source.  There are exceptions to that rule of course, but you better have a good stock of tubes available if not using current production.  So the Blackbird uses tubes you can easily buy without me (or Spatial Audio) being involved.  I am not into the "find a vintage tube, use it, buy a 1000 of them and then mark them up 100%" model of business.  The exception is that we use the VR tubes, but those are everywhere and cheap.  Flea bay has millions and they last a long time.  Same with damper diode tubes.

@yoder 

Thanks for the kind words.  The original stereo one was a proof of concept of the circuit.  I hope yours is running fine and making you happy.  The final production mono block version is considerably better in pretty much every way, but your stereo one is a lovely amp.  It runs a bit hot for my taste, and I could not fit all of the power supply and signal path refinements into a smaller, stereo chassis.  That said, I was very impressed with the amp, which, of course, led me to keep refining things into the final version.  For those who are interested, yes, there will be a more "entry level" product coming.  I am about to start prototyping.  This is a 300b lover's thread, so not really appropriate to discuss in detail, but it will have kt88 outputs, push pull in triode, and DHT drivers.  Similar circuit ideas to the Blackbird and your stereo amp, and obviously scaled back a bit to fit in a stereo chassis.  Fully balanced of course.  Probably by year end.  I have no idea of price, but it will be in the reasonable range and about 30-40 watts/ch.

HI

No Spatial is currently only making the Raven and Blackbirds... 

@yoder  I have played the mono 300b amps with 86 dB speakers and it drove them with no issue.  I am sure your 93 dB ones will be just fine.  It sounds like a 100 watt tube amp really.....  Yours runs a bit hot as it was the first build for proof of concept.  The final versions.. well they can play all day long at the show and you can put your hand on any transformer or the top panel and it is barely more than warm.  Lots of improvement since the first prototype build.  If you ever have trouble with that prototype send me a PM and I will of course try and help you.