3-D Imaging: How??

Tricky G huh.... Kidding aside G, my former room was awfully small (more related to listening chamber perhaps) and was only through wall+floor+ceiling treatment that I got some decent reproduction. The room was so limited that I had to compensate heavyly If you treat your rear wall properly you might reach a good compromise by having a longer distance to speakers without too much rear wall effect.... Hope you get it better, keep us posted

the room *is* the single most important piece of audio equipment, imho! ;~) in your case, it's *especially* important to get it right cuz 12x13 is on the small size. there *are* some speakers designed for nearfield listening, but i've no experience w/them... doug

I think other guys wrote enough to achieve 3D which I beli eve the most difficult part of hi-end. They are right, most of the recordings do not have dept concern, you need test recordings to critisize your system. You have good equipments but what I experienced is the equipments theirselves are not enough for having 3D. You need to hardly tweak your system and tune your room acoustics otherwise no 3D regardless of equipment. Let me summarize what worked well with me 1-Better power cables (powersnake sidewinder is very highly recommended) 2-Painting CD edges with green pen 3-Jitter filter as Monarch DIP or digital lens (if you use Transport+DAC) 4-MIT Cables, they throw 3D much more than the others (But minimum MH750 and MI330 series, not below series) 5-Keeping speaker cables 20 cm away than floor. 6-Power conditioner (No isolation transformer models for power amps) 7-Polarity check of AC plugs. (If you look at the front face of computer kind plug , the right hole should be (+) allways. 8-RPG Flattfusors for side walls and back wall 9-Keeping speakers 50 cm above of floor with fully spikes 10-Keeping speaker as recommended as by the back wall 11-Test signals CD to indentify the listening position ans room resonances 12-Sorbothane/Vibrapod/Spikes underneath of equipments 13-Bricks over the equipments 14-Bass traps 15-Heavy speaker stands The list continues like that Good luck.. oatalay@hotmail.com

Get ASC traps, even the "nearfield" in a room that small will have reflections that are just too loud in level, and too early in time. They smooth out and extend the bass very well also. If I'm wrong, why do most hi-fi show exhibits use them? If you heard my system in either my smaller or larger rooms, you'd understand IMO.

And yes, in my little 12 x 14 x 7.5ft room, I get "lots of depth"...like about 200 virtual feet behind the little Maggies, with the Apogee mastered "Offenbach, Gaite Parisienne" gold CD (vinyl would be more like 300 "virtual feet"). Talk about the wall behind them disappearing! That wall, and the sidewalls, are treated with ASC and Ecobusters, also one package of Profoam cut to different sizes. You need very dynamic cables, and especially interconnects, to get good depth (dynamics and soundstage depth, and instrument imaging solidity/specificity, are all related directly to one another IMO...and can't occur with any accuracy in an untreated room IMO). Good luck...And Joe, if you're ever in my neck of the woods, come by. My system is a good'un, even though it didn't cost as much as the Porsche I want someday...